Draft Countdown updated mock 11/11/08

There's so much of that I disagree with, but Orakpo is such a one trick pony. Pfffft.

"Boomer wrote:

There's so much of that I disagree with, but Orakpo is such a one trick pony. Pfffft.

Who would you take? Let's assume we're drafting somewhere reasonable given our current record.

Two questions:

How good is WR Maclin?

What do you think about Alex Mack? Would you take him with our 1st pick in the 2nd rd, or do more pressing needs win the day? The problem with the thesis is a logjam (sort of) at G with Donald Thomas coming back. I'm torn- Satele is good, but do you take the potentially great C and move Satele to G with Smiley and Thomas there? I remain confused as usual.

Wow.... This thing is really bad starting with the very first pick...

Of course we would go DE, I mean, we only spent two high round picks on DE last year, and we are SERIOUSLY shallow at DT, CB, WR, possibly G, MLB...........

Orakpo would be a OLB not DE, i would have Greg Hardy over Orakpo anytime.

Having Bradford at #3 is a mistake as I highly doubt he comes out this year. Aaron Curry, Sen'Derrick Marks, Greg Hardy, George Selvie or William Moore would all be better choices than Orakpo.

When did Matthew Stafford become a better QB prospect than Sam Bradford? Seriously,..........can anyone who watches college football say that Bradford is second fiddle to Stafford?

I could certainly see us taking a OLB, but not Orakpo. Larry English has better burst and hustle, Sintim would aurvive being on the right side of the O-line for a long time due to his base strength. Orakpo takes plays off, doesn't hustle and lacks the ability to anchor against the run very well, and get off blocks in the run game. I would much rather have either Sintim or English on my team right now.

"jim1 wrote:

Who would you take? Let's assume we're drafting somewhere reasonable given our current record.

Two questions:

How good is WR Maclin?

What do you think about Alex Mack? Would you take him with our 1st pick in the 2nd rd, or do more pressing needs win the day? The problem with the thesis is a logjam (sort of) at G with Donald Thomas coming back. I'm torn- Satele is good, but do you take the potentially great C and move Satele to G with Smiley and Thomas there? I remain confused as usual.

Greg Hardy, Sen'Derrick Marks, Brandon Pettigrew, Larry English, Clint Sintim, Demarcus Granger. That's just 6 of many who I'd take over Orakpo. For me, drafting Mack and getting rid of Satele is addition by subtraction. But don't forget, Parcells and Ireland, when they were in Dallas, drafted Andre Gurode in R2 a year after the previous administration had drafted Al Johnson in the same round.

"Boomer wrote:

Greg Hardy, Sen'Derrick Marks, Brandon Pettigrew, Larry English, Clint Sintim, Demarcus Granger. That's just 6 of many who I'd take over Orakpo. For me, drafting Mack and getting rid of Satele is addition by subtraction. But don't forget, Parcells and Ireland, when they were in Dallas, drafted Andre Gurode in R2 a year after the previous administration had drafted Al Johnson in the same round.

Gurode was a G from Colorado wasn't he? He didn't make the switch until Johnson got hurt one year I think, and he played the spot so well they left him there. I do remember that there was mention that Gurode could probably play C, but he hadn't until that point I think.

But I do agree that this regime doesn't have any allegiance to any previous player - ever. If you work well for them, that's great, if not - have a nice day.

"Conuficus wrote:

Gurode was a G from Colorado wasn't he? He didn't make the switch until Johnson got hurt one year I think, and he played the spot so well they left him there. I do remember that there was mention that Gurode could probably play C, but he hadn't until that point I think.

But I do agree that this regime doesn't have any allegiance to any previous player - ever. If you work well for them, that's great, if not - have a nice day.

Ah, you might be right. My old memory isn't what it used to be.

"Boomer wrote:

Ah, you might be right. My old memory isn't what it used to be.

Yours and mine. :up:

Cheers grandad.

"Conuficus wrote:

When did Matthew Stafford become a better QB prospect than Sam Bradford? Seriously,..........can anyone who watches college football say that Bradford is second fiddle to Stafford?

I could certainly see us taking a OLB, but not Orakpo. Larry English has better burst and hustle, Sintim would aurvive being on the right side of the O-line for a long time due to his base strength. Orakpo takes plays off, doesn't hustle and lacks the ability to anchor against the run very well, and get off blocks in the run game. I would much rather have either Sintim or English on my team right now.

Yeah, thats where I was headed with my First overall pick being wrong. No way no How is Stafford even close the being the QB that Sam Bradford is...and I doubt Bradford even comes out.

I also have stated, and still have issues with Rey Laualuga going so early. IF he didnt play for USC, he wouldnt be on anybody's first round board IMO.
He goes early in the second round IMO.

Freakin geezers.

No McCoy or Harrell, are you kidding me?:no:

I don't think McCoy is coming out.

"gafinfan wrote:

No McCoy or Harrell, are you kidding me?:no:

i dont think mccoy is going to be declaring this year and I dont think harrell is first round material as of right now.

"ckparrothead wrote:

Freakin geezers.

You're just jealous that your Depends undergarments don't look as cool as ours thats all. Just spend the extra $1 for the colored ones - live a little.

What are your guys thoughts on Rafael Priest, CB of TCU? He's small at 5'10, 163 lbs but seems like a ballhawk. He has one pick this year and three last year. I haven't really seen him play but with the small frame, I would think he would have trouble going up with bigger Receivers.

Also, anyone watching Central Michigan vs NIU? I'm kicking myself for missing the first half due to falling asleep earlier but this second half is a hell of a game so far. Larry English had been pretty silent from what I've seen up until a couple minutes into the fourth. At the 12:22 mark, he rushes wide and the Tackle gets his hands on him. He sheds the block and stops LeFevour on a scramble. The next play, he displays a tremendous bulrush. Almost like he is pushing a car if you ask me. He bent his knees well and just drove into the Tackle with all his power, sending him into the backfield. The Central Michigan RB chips English, he then proceeds to an inside spin-move and sacks LeFevour. What a play that was. He's playing with six pins and hasn't missed a game this year. Really hoping to see him in a Dolphins uniform next year.

"alen1 wrote:

What are your guys thoughts on Rafael Priest, CB of TCU? He's small at 5'10, 163 lbs but seems like a ballhawk. He has one pick this year and three last year. I haven't really seen him play but with the small frame, I would think he would have trouble going up with bigger Receivers.

Also, anyone watching Central Michigan vs NIU? I'm kicking myself for missing the first half due to falling asleep earlier but this second half is a hell of a game so far. Larry English had been pretty silent from what I've seen up until a couple minutes into the fourth. At the 12:22 mark, he rushes wide and the Tackle gets his hands on him. He sheds the block and stops LeFevour on a scramble. The next play, he displays a tremendous bulrush. Almost like he is pushing a car if you ask me. He bent his knees well and just drove into the Tackle with all his power, sending him into the backfield. The Central Michigan RB chips English, he then proceeds to an inside spin-move and sacks LeFevour. What a play that was. He's playing with six pins and hasn't missed a game this year. Really hoping to see him in a Dolphins uniform next year.

you and me both man. right now every mock ive done ive had him as my fourth round pick going by what nfldraftscout.com has for rankings. The guy needs some seasoning but from what ive seen he definitely has the potential to be good.

another name to look out for is wr jeremy gilchrist from hampton. ive been reading up on him and cant seem to find highlights but the guy is a fairly good punt returner. small at about 5'10 170 or so but has that make the first guy miss ability that sparano loves in bess but he has the ability to take it the distance.

"PerfectTeam wrote:

you and me both man. right now every mock ive done ive had him as my fourth round pick going by what nfldraftscout.com has for rankings. The guy needs some seasoning but from what ive seen he definitely has the potential to be good.

another name to look out for is wr jeremy gilchrist from hampton. ive been reading up on him and cant seem to find highlights but the guy is a fairly good punt returner. small at about 5'10 170 or so but has that make the first guy miss ability that sparano loves in bess but he has the ability to take it the distance.

NFLdraftscout has him in round 4? I think he'll be a 2nd-3rd or at least that's where I have him.

Never heard of Gilchrist. I'm interested in David Gettis of Baylor. 6'4" track star whose a very hard worker. Very raw as a WR though.

"alen1 wrote:

NFLdraftscout has him in round 4? I think he'll be a 2nd-3rd or at least that's where I have him.

Never heard of Gilchrist. I'm interested in David Gettis of Baylor. 6'4" track star whose a very hard worker. Very raw as a WR though.

Yea they have him in round 4 as of right now. Is that where he is going to end up? Maybe, a little to early to tell. Right now I have him in the 3-5 range until workouts start happening and all star games. They have Kevin Barnes in the 4th-5th round right now too which gave me a decent laugh. Larry English in the 4th followed by Kevin Barnes in the 5th. Talk about pipe dreams :lol:.

Gettis sounds interesting. Those measurables are great and he has some decent production. I like Ellis Gaulden from Connecticut based on a measurable stand point. Not much production with 20 catches, but 6-2 200 pds with 4.42 speed is always worth a look. Justin Brown from Hampton to at 6-2 200 with 4.55 speed is another guy I wish I could get some film on.

This may be a little off topic but does anyone think Shawn Murphy will be the center for this team in the future if Satele doesn't fit into their plans? Would give us an answer as to why he isn't being discussed to play right guard this season.

"alen1 wrote:

What are your guys thoughts on Rafael Priest, CB of TCU? He's small at 5'10, 163 lbs but seems like a ballhawk. He has one pick this year and three last year. I haven't really seen him play but with the small frame, I would think he would have trouble going up with bigger Receivers.

Also, anyone watching Central Michigan vs NIU? I'm kicking myself for missing the first half due to falling asleep earlier but this second half is a hell of a game so far. Larry English had been pretty silent from what I've seen up until a couple minutes into the fourth. At the 12:22 mark, he rushes wide and the Tackle gets his hands on him. He sheds the block and stops LeFevour on a scramble. The next play, he displays a tremendous bulrush. Almost like he is pushing a car if you ask me. He bent his knees well and just drove into the Tackle with all his power, sending him into the backfield. The Central Michigan RB chips English, he then proceeds to an inside spin-move and sacks LeFevour. What a play that was. He's playing with six pins and hasn't missed a game this year. Really hoping to see him in a Dolphins uniform next year.

Priest is a day one pick if he comes out. I've got him at 177, but his stock will rise and fall somewhat on how much he weighs when he hits the scales. But he can play.

Where are you seeing all this English action dude? Damn NIU to hell for playing every midweek! I'm all aboard that boat with you my man.

I think English could easily end up in round 1. It will all depend on what he runs, but at 6'3 and 3/8 and 256 and with the pass rush skills he has, the play diagnosis, the lateraly ability to work down the play from the backside, etc., he really fits the mold of what we're after and he's got tremendous character - this is a kid that won the MAC's Leadership Award a season ago and is an Honour Roll student with a 3.2GPA.