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Draft King mock 1/7/09

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by jim1, Jan 8, 2009.

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  1. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    1. Detroit Lions - Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
    2. St. Louis Rams - Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
    3. Kansas City Chiefs - Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
    4. Seattle Seahawks - Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
    5. Cleveland Browns - Rey Maualuga, ILB, USC

    26. Miami Dolphins - William Moore, FS, Missouri
    The emergence of USC FS Taylor Mays as a potential NFL prospect has bumped Moore down a bit in his draft projection spot, though keep in mind that Mays could opt to return to Los Angeles for his senior year at USC. If that happens, at least in theory William Moore would move up the board.

    The Dolphins used a first rounder on Tennessee DB Jason Allen in 2006, but to date that hasn't particularly panned out -- plus it was a move made by a previous administration. Bill Parcells and his crew are very sharp, and I could see them snatching up Moore and developing him into a solid NFL talent.

    http://www.draftking.com/nfl/2009/mockdraft.shtml

    p.s. I don't know why he even bothered with that lame assessment of Alex Mack.
     
  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I just dont see us going safety with any of our first three picks..

    Center, linebacker, nose tackle..need strength and power at these positions. keep building from the inside out.

    I would love mack or unger to pair up with donald and justin.

    Just pick the best player available in those three positions. Seems like a pretty solid simple strategy after assessing our weaknesses on the season. {lotta ss's in there,lol}
     
  3. ckparrothead

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    I could see it. William Moore is a heck of a football player.

    And do we really pick #26 after all?
     
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  5. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    Yes, we are. I explained it in detail in the other thread you asked about this.
     
  6. RealDriscoll

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    If I had to make a Mock in 5 minutes it would look...

    1. Lions: Sam Bradford-QB-Oklahoma
    2. Rams: Michael Oher-Offensive Tackle-Ole Miss
    3. Chiefs: Matthew Stafford-QB-Georgia
    4. Seahawks: Michael Crabtree-WR-Texas Tech
    5. Browns: Malcolm Jenkins-CB-Ohio State
    6. Bengals: Brian Orakpo-DE-Texas
    7. Raiders: Eugene Monroe-OT-Virginia
    8. Jaguars: Jason Smith-OT-Baylor
    9. Packers: Everette Brown-DE-Florida State
    10. 49ers: Gerald McCoy-Defensive Tackle-Oklahoma
    11. Bills: Brandon Pettigrew-Tight End-Oklahoma State
    12. Broncos: Chris Wells-RB-Ohio State
    13. Redskins:Greg Hardy-DE-Ole Miss
    14. Saints: Taylor Mays-S-USC
    15. Texans: Vontae Davis-CB-Illinois
    16. Chargers: Terrence Cody-NT-Alabama
    17. Jets: Knowshon Moreno-RB-Georgia
    18. Bears: Michael Johnson-DE-Georgia Tech
    19. Buccaneers: Jeremy Maclin-WR-Missouri
    20. Lions (Cowboys): Andre Smith-OT-Alabama
    21. Cardinals: Rey Maualuga-ILB-USC
    22. Eagles: William Moore-S-Missouri
    23. Vikings: James Laurinaitis-ILB-Ohio State
    24. Patriots: Duke Robinson-OG-Oklahoma
    25. Falcons: BJ Raji-NT-Boston College
    26. Dolphins: Clint Sintim-OLB-Virginia
    27. Ravens: DJ Mooe-CB-Vanderbilt
    28. Eagles (Panthers): Eben Britton-OT-Arizona
    29. Colts: Peria Jerry-DT-Ole Miss
    30. Steelers: Max Unger-OL-Oregon
    31. Giants: Brian Cushing-OLB-USC
    32. Titans: Brandon Spikes-LB-Florida
     
  7. RealDriscoll

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    I know there is Aaron Maybin or Jerry Hughes; I doubt they declare. I have Andre Smith dropping just b/c I don't think he is a Top 5 Tackle in this draft.
     
  8. Boomer

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    Funny that.
     
  9. RealDriscoll

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    Funny that?

    That would be terrible mock considering I forgot Aaron Curry. Note to self, don't mock while on a conference call.
     
  10. Boomer

    Boomer Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Yep. Funny that.

    I can think of some other 'notes for self' for you.
     
  11. RealDriscoll

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    Andre Smith is a guy I changed my opinion on. I didn't know much on his personality abnd when I liked him he was playing well. After watching him more, especially when it counted he struggled. Michael Oher, Eugene Monroe, and Jason Smith are defiantly better. Ciron Black and Eben Britton are even IMO but Smith's issues lowers him for me. the fact that he missed the biggest game of his life due to suspension baffles me.
     
  12. RealDriscoll

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    Please share all-knowing Boomer
     
  13. Boomer

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    What don't you like about his play specifically?
     
  14. RealDriscoll

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    He has a very slow first step which allows speed rushers eat him up. I don't like the fact that in this biggest game of his life he was not playing due to a suspension. He is big and strong but I think the fact that Alabama's line as a hole was solid truely made him seem as a better player than he truley was.
     
  15. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    According to the Miami Herald we could bump to 25:

    Fins 1st rd pick could bump up to #25

    The NFL said the Dolphins will draft 26th in the first round, but would move up to 25th if Philadelphia, San Diego or Arizona makes the Super Bowl. In his first mock draft, ESPN's Todd McShay has Miami picking Gators junior inside linebacker Brandon Spikes, with USC linebacker Brian Cushing and Alabama junior defensive tackle Terrence Cody going right before that.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/co...ry/840551.html
     
  16. RealDriscoll

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    I would be happy with Spikes due to his versatility. He obviously can play inside but like CK brings up, he could be very good on the outside.
     
  17. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    I think that C and WR remain two of the strongest needs- the Ravens game was a good example of that. And we are hoping that a) Donald Thomas is as good as advertised b) Smiley can come back on time and at full strength.

    This might be overkill, but how nice would it be to have Unger AND Mack? I have to give props (Boomer, et al) to the notion that not only is Unger solid, but how nice would it be to have one guy who could step in anywhere on the line (except LT) without a steep dropoff in play? I would imagine that it could be a cost effective approach as well. Mack may come with some question marks, but the dude is a flat out mauler with smarts and work ethic. Unger- he's just plain good and darned athletic to boot. If I had to pick one right now- Unger gets the nod because of his versatility. Just with C in mind- tough call.

    I could live with this:
    1) Unger
    2) Mack
    3) Britt

    That doesn't mean that I would be disappointed with a solid defensive pick, though. As long as they're good picks and the guys contribute it's all good to me.
     
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  18. Vendigo

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    Alex Mack is playing way too upright in pass pro, doesn't reset his feet and will find himself on his backside faster than you can pronounce his lastname against any decent NFL DT if he doesn't get rid of this habit. Personally, unless I'm absolutely positive that I can get him out of it without messing up his technique, I'm not investing a first or high second round pick in him.
     
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  19. RealDriscoll

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    Why go center that high when a big, strong, mean SOB like Antoine Caldwell will be there in Round 3?
     
  20. RealDriscoll

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    If you ask me and you didn't so I am chimming in here our needs are as follows...


    1) Pass Rushing Outside Linebacker
    2) Cornerback(Andre Goodman is a Free Agent)
    3) Nose Tackle
    4) Big Wide Receiver
    5) Center
     
  21. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    I would much rather have Vontae Davis.
     
  22. Stitches

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    I'd prefer OLB, but I would not shed a tear if we got William Moore. I think he is awesome, and could potentially play either S position depending on how he tests out at indy(though I think he'd be better at SS).
     
  23. djphinfan

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    Man Jim, we really need some explosiveness at the linebacker position...i would love all three of those guys as well, but i must get a cushing or a cintim or an english out of this draft.

    Add mulauaga and curry to that list and thats 5 legit 1st rounders, we gotta try to get one of those bad boys. Then one of those centers with our 2a {Unger, mack,caldwell}..

    I know some have said that this is a weak draft but i kinda like it and the way it shapes up.
     
  24. jim1

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    Who is getting bumped at LB? Roth on 1st 2 downs? Crowder? Ayodele? I would guess Ayodele, but I'd rather have a S like Moore. I'm sticking with interior OL and WR as the positions of greatest need.
     
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  25. padre31

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    As an aside, Matty Roth had a nagging groin injury over the last 7 games or so, he was going to see a specialist about it this week.

    A 3rd down OLB who is a pass rusher mostly would be a great way for a rookie to break into the NFL.
     
  26. Boomer

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    Caldwell got a 2nd round grade a year ago and had a better senior season. Why would you think he's falling to round 3?
     
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  27. texanphinatic

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    Supply?

    No seriously, hes a heck of a player. A big part of the CB debate will be Jason Allen. I think he gets decided this offseason. Safety, CB or cut. Where he ends up will likely play a big part of whether we go after a S or CB early.
     
  28. djphinfan

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    Jim, i think that WR must be added thru free agency...spend some money there, but not on a high draft pick...were already young enough...cammy, ginn and bess are set, unless you think were gonna trade one of those boys..to many other pertinant positions.
     
  29. MrClean

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    First I heard that. Seems like he played part of last season with the same thing. Or else it was in '06.
     
  30. MrClean

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    I'd be pretty thrilled with that. Unger could play guard with Mack at center and we would have some quality depth on our OL for the first time in 25 years.
    If we could have swapped guards and center with the Ravens, we beat them hands down. IMO.
     
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  31. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    With all these good OL prospects coming out this year it seems likely that one of them might fall to us at #26, #25, or #24. Unger will definately be there in my opinion. That being said it is really, really hard to project who we will take based on two facts. One, we pick really late in round one so there are a lot of variables as far as who will be there when we pick. Second and more importantly, Irelands Column ranking is way different than the typical ranking of most NFL teams which use a Draft Board with all players in one big vertical list.

    I am not 100% sure of how Irelands Column ranking works out but to me it seems that he ranks the players in every position, then assigns each pick a position and then goes with the best ranked prospect at that position when the pick comes up. Like, I said before I am not sure if thats correct. If Boomer or anyone else care to share their knowledge on the subject of Column ranking I would greatly appreciate it!
     
  32. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Yeah, set if you want a mediocre WR crew.
     
  33. djphinfan

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    the point is should you go for a free agent or add more youth to the youngest group on your team.

    Think about parcells teams in the past..especially with the giants, no big #1 wideout on those teams, justa collection of savvy vets.same thing in new england, same thing with new york..cammy. bess and ginn can get the job done.

    We need obvious brute strength on both sides of our interior lines, and desperately need a bad *** linebacker who can hit like a truck.

    Like i said if you wanna add to the receiver core, i think its the smart move and the obvious one to add a pro, a vet like bolden, its the perfect position to spend some money on thru free agency. not a draft pick.
     
  34. RealDriscoll

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    As my last post here at thePhins.com I want to start by syaing it has been a real ride and I wish the best of luck to everyone in the future.

    Why do i think Caldwell falls to Round 3 you ask Boom? It is easy. The junior talent level in this draft is the best it has ever been in the history of the NFL draft. Underclassmen such as Michael Crabtree, Sam Bradford, Matthew Stafford, Knowshon Moreno, Andre Smith, Gerald McCoy, Brandon Spikes, Hakeem Nicks, Vontae Davis, Eben Britton, Kenny Britt, CJ Spiller, Chris Wells, Jeremy Maclin, LeSean McCoy, etc. etc make all the senior prospects take a step back. There are only 32 picks per round and this years' draft is the deepest it has been in awhile. Caldwell is very good play and IMo sort of a sleeper. Looking at the rankings I have seen for Centers and it seems that Max Unger, Eric Wood, Alex Mack, and even Jonathan Luigs all have higher grades than Caldwell.

    For Caldwell to last to us in Round 3 I would need to name roughly 75 players better than him in the draft...

    Sam Bradford, Matthew Stafford, Josh Freeman, chris Wells, Knowshon Moreno, LeSean McCoy, CJ Spiller, Shonn Greene, Michael Crabtree, Jeremy Maclin, Darrius Heyward Bey, Percy Harvin, Kenny Britt, Derrick Williams, Hakeem Nicks, Louis Murphy, Brandon Pettigrew, Jermaine Gresham, Chase Coffman, Eugene Monroe, Andre Smith, Jason Smith, Michael Oher, Jamon Meredith, Eben Britton, Ciron Black, Russell Okung, Phil Loadholt, Duke Robinson, Herman Johnson, Max unger, Alex Mack, Brian Orakpo, Aaron Maybin, Tyson Jackson, Michael Johnson, Greg hardy, Everette Brown, Larry English, Jerry Hughes, Cody Brown, Terrence Cody, Sen'Derrick Marks, Peria Jerry, BJ Raji, Gerald McCoy, Ndamukong Suh, Evander Hood, Aaron Curry, Clint Sintim, Brian Cushing, Clay Matthews, Rey Maualuga, Brandon Spikes, james Laurinaitis, Darry beckwith, Malcolm jenkins, Vontae Davis, Sean Smith, DJ Moore, Alphonso Smith, Darius Butler, Victor Harris,Mike Mickens, Louis Delmas, Taylor Mays, William Moore, Rashard Johnson, Patrick Chung,


    I believe that is 67 off the top of my head.

    Anyways good luck all and Happy new Year
     
  35. MrClean

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    This is a deep class for center. Best group in a long time IMO. Caldwell is one of a group of 5 who are all highly regarded. You know the names, no sense in me repeating them. Since center is generally an undervalued position, it seems somewhat logical one or two good ones will slide to round 3 or so.

    I never heard Caldwell got a 2nd round grade if he had come out last year. Was that according to Tony Pauline? If he did and passed coming out for that reason, it would seem foolish on his part. Center are so seldom taken in round 1 over the years, except a few notable exceptions.
     
  36. Boomer

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    Except it's not about "better players being picked first".
     
  37. Boomer

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    Pretty sure it was out of Caldwell's own mouth. I'll try and find the link.
     
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  38. Boomer

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    Here it is.


     
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  39. MrClean

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    Thanks Boom. I just can't imagine Caldwell improved his draft stock by returning for his senior season. Perhaps, but not likely. I guess he could leapfrog Luigs and Wood, though some have Luigs higher than Mack. The best he can hope for is to remain a 2nd rounder IMO.
     

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