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Draft Picks to Move Up to Take Leonte Carroo... Short-sightedness

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Finrunner, Oct 5, 2016.

  1. Finrunner

    Finrunner Season Ticket Holder

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    With all the talk on perhaps venturing to take a QB in next year's draft, it seems prudent as a reminder to state that the Dolphins are without their 3rd and 4th round choices in 2017 by virtue of the trade up with Minnesota to get Leonte Carroo.

    Ironically, I think the Dolphins were looking at their WR situation with the long-term in mind and probably drafting the replacement for Kenny Stills when his rookie contract is up. However, they did this fortifying a position of relative strength.

    It doesn't take too much to look ahead at the whole picture to see, even in the 2016 Draft, that in 2017, the Dolphins were likely going to need:

    Guard (1or 2)
    TE (1 or probably 2)
    RB
    DE (1 or 2)
    LB (at least 2)
    CB
    and maybe S
    all that without thinking QB

    That's a lot of holes that aren't magically going to be filled via the expensive route in Free Agency. The Dolphins need good, cheap talent at impact positions. Giving away two semi-premium draft choices to take a WR...

    ...in retrospect (20/20!!!), that looks pretty awful and, worse, crippling to a franchise that basically needs to rebuild... at least at many spots.

    It's how bad organizations get worse. How long until we contend? Longer now.
     
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  2. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    I agree. The truth is good front offices do things like trade Cameron Wake while he still has value for additional draft picks. I love Cam, but he's no longer a part of this organizations future when thinking of rebuilding and long term playoff success. If I were the front office people, I would look to trade guys that are long in the tooth and try to get some draft picks.

    Getting rid of two draft picks to move up in the draft like they did for Carroo, was just plain stupid.
     
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  3. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't think anyone was praising the Caroo trade when it happened.

    In fact, I think we gave up more to get Caroo than Jax gave up to draft Myles Jack.
     
  4. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    ^^^^^ This
     
  5. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    So we could have had two 3s, and two 4s, but don't.
     
  6. Finrunner

    Finrunner Season Ticket Holder

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    Yeah, Travis, I think they were probably counting on that, but where the Dolphins are at, and with what they're missing and how they are aging on defense at critical spots, that just seemed like such an unnecessary trade.

    Not to mention, compensatory picks are at the end of rounds, making them more like 4th and 5ths rather than, probably, upper-tier 3rd and 4ths.
     
  7. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    That's why the Dolphins traded their selection in the 4th round pick contingent upon their award of a 4th round compensatory pick. If we are awarded a compensatory selection in round 4, then that is what the Vikings get, not our natural selection.

    So if we get awarded a 3rd and 4th compensatory, we will have the 3rd round compensatory and our natural 4th.
     
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  8. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    You could look at our drafting as a case study of how to destroy your team. Just think about all the resources we've invest in our OL, WR and QB in the top 3 rounds and how bad our offense still sucks! In the last 6 years, 11 picks in those rounds. Pretty disgusting.
     
  9. DolphinGreg

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    Well, I for one am LOVING what Carroo is doing so far.

    He wears 11, right?
     
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  10. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    It's too early to say this is a bad trade. It might end up that way but we wont know till next year. The guy has glue for hands. What we need is a receiver who can run precise routes and get open on a regular basis. Maybe he's the guy, maybe he's not. We'll know next year. Personally I think they drafted him to replace Rishard Matthews
     
  11. Deerless Dice

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    Miller's deal would generate a borderline 4th or 5th comp pick, won't know until the year is over.
     
  12. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Leonte Caroo was absolutely waste of a pick and one better spent at another position.
     
  13. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    He is not even getting the field that i know of, but he could be a player. Do not like the trade up though.
     
  14. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    We already had Parker, Landry, and Stills (even though he came off a bad year). They doubled down on the position again with Caroo and Grant, which is abominable given our needs at other positions.
     
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  15. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Carroo, #88 right? He was the guy Tannehill was targeting but had the ball intercepted late in the game at Cincinnati. The guy who was scouted as being a "faster Anquan Boldin"? The guy the Pats were gonna select? The guy who dropped one pass last year? The guy who got props from Richard Sherman? The guy who will save us money, if

    Yeah, you're nitpicking because you have no patience. That's not a bad thing. Brian Billick would always say, "it's a desperate man's game." It's good to have a sense of urgency, but look at the forest once in a while. First time, first year head coach and Tannenbaum was actually frugal in the offseason.
     
  16. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    .......... and?
     
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  17. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Give him a second, Jesus!

    I liked the pick
     
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  18. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Too much slander in this thread. I don't like it!

    Carroo is going to be a good player. Physical and plays angry with the ball in his hands. Team player. Jersey/Rutgers guy. My kind of dude!
     
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  19. Finrunner

    Finrunner Season Ticket Holder

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    Don't get me wrong, I'm totally for Leonte Carroo, and I think he can be a really good WR.

    My beef is with the front office on this one. I've been pretty exasperated listening to fans say we need to pick a QB in next year's draft, and I've gotta be honest... sometimes when I watch RT at this point in his career arc, and I think, okay, maybe so.

    But if the front office thinks that, I just think we move back our time frame for competing by at least another two years. While I'm excited that we drafted Tunsil and Howard -- those two look like our best 1-2 picks since, I don't know, Webb/Simms (my memory sucks... I'm sure there has to be a couple good ones since then). But then, we make this move...

    ...and where are our LBers? What about another DEs to pick up where Cam Wake is leaving off? Maxwell doesn't seem to be working, so the team is probably going to need another CB. And, offensively, we won't resign Cameron and Simms' contract is up at the end of the year. What are the pacifiers of young QBs? Good TEs and workhorse RBs. We have neither.

    I don't want to sound so angst-ridden, but the Dolphins still seem to be spinning their wheels in player personnel. It hurts to think how long it could be before we are true playoff contenders, much less Super Bowl contenders.

    If this sounds like a rant, I apologize.
     
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  20. Ziggy

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    Thinking of changing the grade I gave this past offseason from a D to an F.
     
  21. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Nah, but we're in the process of getting Culliver and Jordan possibly. That's 2 positions of need that are in utero. Butler looks solid.
     
  22. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    I'm guessing you were up this kid's *** and predicting he would replace Stills, so you've got nothing left to do than make this a personal conversation.

    My opinion as stated (READ TRAVIS READ!) was it's a bad pick based on other more important needs, especially since Grant was also drafted.

    At least a guy like ODB contributed something right from the start (both guys for that matter), but still assinine to even mention Leonte in the same breath as them as this stage.

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    Jarvis
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    Leonte
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  23. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Hitchin' yourself to the Dion Jordan train are you? That sounds dependable.
     
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  24. Itsdahumidity

    Itsdahumidity X gonna take it from ya

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    A thousand times this! That was indeed an unnecessary trade b/c at this rate by season's end I would give Stills a good, not great contract. Caroo may become a good wr but I agree w/Garden, Jack should've been the trade target at that cost. The only saving grace is the fact that once we get the comp picks(tradeable in '17) we'll be able to maneuver.
     
  25. Stitches

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    Odell didn't contribute from the start, he is literally statless for the first four Giants games of his rookie year.
     
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  26. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    By the way, can anyone provide evidence that the picks we moved would result in players who would be seeing more playing time currently? I ask as just about everyone appears to be operating on the belief that substituting the players we drafted for other unnamed players is a guarantee. It's not.

    Also the belief that next years picks are somehow more valuable is IMHO a falsehood. The notion that this would happen year on year is in and of it's self is proof that something isn't quite right. Look through the history of the draft and there oodles of drafts where the next year was absolute **** compared to the year before. Who says the wide receiver class would be this deep again this year?
     
  27. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    We could've stayed put and drafted Dak Prescott..:cry:
     
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  28. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Yes, and probably 100 other things as well. The reality is we didn't.
     
  29. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    We could've used those picks to move up and select Deshuan Watson.
     
  30. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Uhhhh what? I posted his 2014 stats. You even quoted it.

    EDIT: He was injured and didn't play. But when he was finally activated, he contributed.
     
  31. CitizenSnips

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    Who says we're not gonna be in position to take him?

    As for the thread, We'll be happy with Carroo. Great hands, great size, he's going to be good.
     
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  32. Hellion

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    What makes you think they would have drafted Prescott? According to the org they were happy with Thill as their future and still could be. This isnt even hind sight, its pure speculation at this point because the draft picks are developing like most rookies do. Honestly i did not like the Carroo pick but i am not short sighted enough to assume he isn't worth the pick or that we could have had someone better with the picks used to move up to get him.

    The knee jerk reaction is to criticize everything when expectations aren't met so when they are over critical those that are criticizing can say "i hope i am wrong" or "well I am happily wrong" and save face, and considering most picks don't pan out odds are in the favor of the critics.

    we are talking a very young team with a new coach and system....at least give it a season or two.
     
  33. Fin-O

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    Dallas was very comfortable with Romo and still drafted Dak, to compete for the back up position and develop.

    We triple down and gave up a lot of assets for what I think most would agree is our strongest position. I'm not writing his career off, but I didn't like the move then and I don't like it now.


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  34. Pauly

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    I have to agree totally with this. Especially considering the neglect we have given to the LB corps over the last 4 years. We had precisely 0 proven reliable NFL calibre LBs on our roster - Alonso and Misi were injury risks, Jenkins and the others haven't proven they are above replacement level. The only position it made sense to trade up for was LB and that boat had passed us by in Jack.
     
  35. dolphin25

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    I personally think they drafted him to replace Matthews. Shoulda just signed Matthews.
     
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  36. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    They guy we shoulda got was TE Higbee, that dude is going to be a stud for the Rams. He is already playing a lot as a blocking TE for them.
     
  37. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    I like Caroo, I hated the trade, way too much to give up, hopefully he turns out to be a stud, and the trade won't mean much, but regardless, it was a bad trade.

    I wanted to draft Prescott in the Drake spot, then when they were trading later in the round I got excited that they were going to draft Prescott, damn I wish we had drafted Prescott...
     
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  38. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    No, we should of drafted Dak :lol:

    I would love to have Sims and Higbee on the same team, nice blocking/receiving combo, as in both can block and catch.
     
  39. pumpdogs

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    Yea the week I dropped him in fantasy because he didn't play because of hamsting he scores a td his first game.
     
  40. jdang307

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    The problem with Carroo isn't whether he will be good or not. But a 2 for Landry, then a 1 for Parker, and a 3 and a 4 for Carroo. That's a lot of valuable picks for an overrated position.
     
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