Draft Review w/ Ireland: "If our board is right, we killed it"

Yes, and you also have to act like he never traded for Marshall.

 

have never posted a negative word about Ireland
on this forum although I know he has his detractors

I am only repeating what I have said before:
our 2012 was an excellent draft, grade: A
best in recent memory & Ireland is a quality GM

 

That's funny, because every one that I've read states the opposite.

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2892

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2012jmartin.php

 

Anyone picture Ireland as that geek in the fantasy football commercial after each pick?

"Chaaaaaaaampionship"

[video=youtube;Vs1N5NYyb24]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs1N5NYyb24[/video]

 

Until this year, it was QB, WR and RB. So all of them. Reggie Bush had a nice season, but I honestly don't believe he was brought in as a long term, feature back. As I've stated, I still don't know what the Hell Daniel Thomas was. I guess you could say he attempted to address the position there?

This is what Ireland has drafted as far as primary skill positions up until this past draft (I think we can all agree that the best players are typically found in the 1st 3 rounds, so I'll only include those)

QB - 2 (Both in 2nd Round)
WR - 1 (Round 3)
RB - 1 (2nd Round)

In 4 years. That's it. Compare that to offensive line in that same span:

OL - 3 (2 1st Round, 3rd Round)

So before this draft he'd used more 1st Round picks on OL than QB's, RB's and WR's COMBINED. I'd have to do a little more research, but I'd be willing to be there were very few teams that didn't either draft a WR a QB or RB in the first round the last 4 years. It's kind of amazing, really.

 

Daniel Thomas actually had the most rushing yds of any rookie last season, IIRC.

 

First let me say, I'm of the opinion that up until last year he didn't have the say you swear he did, while forgetting all about proof and evidence to the contrary.

But if that's the route you want to go, then since he's been here: 3 QB's have been drafted in the 1st & 2nd Rds. 1 WR was taken with 2x2nd Rd picks and 2 more taken in the 3rd & 4th rds. 2 RBs have been taken in the 2nd & 4th rds, plus a big FA. That is far from ignoring the skill positions XXX.

Again, if you want to discuss the success of those picks fine, but the constant notion that those position have been ignored is quite frankly, insane.

 

Ok, I've only found 3 teams that haven't drafted a QB, WR, or RB or TE in the 1st Round since 2008. One of them was the Cleveland Browns (SUPER BOWL). The other's were the Texans, whom you can kind of understand because they acquired Schaub via trade, sign Foster undrafted and took Andre Johnson in the 1st Round in 2003. The other was the Seahawks, another team devoid of offensive talent. Actually the last time the Seahawks took a skill position in the 1st AT ALL was Jerramy Stevens in 2003. Yikes.

 

and the lowest ypc right?

 

"Neglect" is probably a better word than ignore. I say ignore, because if you don't draft those guys in the first 3 rounds, history says they're likely not going to be anything special.

 

Not at wide receiver or runningback.

 

And the worst goal line %. And tied for last in Rushing TD's with ZERO.

 

Ok, fine. I get it. You just want to pretend we haven't spent 1-3 on QB, WR & RBs. It makes sense you would do that, since you've invested so much time and effort in believing it.

 

Who is Seattle's #1 WR? I honestly couldn't tell you without looking it up. Also, how many other teams (besides Miami) would he be the #1 on?

 

Then the critics of Engew, who are using that reasoning, are simpletons who do not deserve to scout for an NFL team. Why could one diss Egnew on that basis, and not also say Tannehill is just another TAMU QB? Who was the last franchise QB that came out of TAMU?

 

Huh? I'm talking about before this year. I've said I semi-like what he did this year.

I'm not pretending anything. The guy has drafted ONE RB in the first 3 rounds and ONE WR in the first 3 rounds (who isn't on the team because he sucks). As for the QB's, one of them was Pat White. So...yeah.

 

Sidney Rice. Who has had injury problems. Doug Baldwin was amazing last season. Golden Tate is freakishly athletic, however hasn't had the decipline to be a great wide receiver that people think he was going to be out of college. That and his love of stealing donuts. Mike Williams had a great year two years ago, however had injury problems last season (and quarterback problems). Then there is Ben Obamanu who is a good deep threat.

In fact their wide receiving corp is so deep that they might have to give up on Deon Butler who looked pretty good as a rookie.

 

The ones I respect the most did. My friend in my sig block has had Engew as the #3 TE for months and never wavered from it. Also, our very own Mr Parrothead ranked Egnew as the #3, or so I've read in his posts.

 

Right. You are purposely saying the draft that just happened doesn't count for some reason. You are saying the 2 2nd draft picks spent on Marshall don't count. Not too mention FA acquisitions of Penny, Moore & Bush.
So yeah, when you take away all the times he didn't ignore skill positions, then sure he ignored them.

 

I do some weakness with his kick slide and transferring his power on inside moves, he seems susceptible to that outside to inside counter...I gotta few games I'am gonna watch tonight, cause I really wanna know that we got a first round pick here.

 

Me too...I mean there was a considerable drop off from 1 and 2" but I had him at third all offseason.

 

Chad Henne, Pat White, Pat Turner, Daniel Thomas, Vontae Davis. One starter. Nice haul.

That's what you've gotten in the first three rounds until this year.

Undervalued/sucks at drafting...we're really arguing semantics aren't we?

 

Well, I was talking draft. You've switched gears to talk about Free Agency/trades to prove your point, except that Ireland says he's building this team through the draft, so...

 

Well, he and Sparano told you from day 1 that they built "from the inside, out", and that's where the focus has been. Right side of the line broke down last season, so they had to hit it again.

 

Besides Brandon Marshall, whom I contend wasn't his call, what resources has he put into the WR position?

 

He donated $10 to Dez Bryant's mom.

 

Because Jeff Ireland can't make good decisions for himself so someone else must have, obviously.

 

It has been reported that he was not on multiple teams draft board due to his shoulder injury . Therefore the number of teams that would actually draft him was less , resulting in the drop and hopefully for Miami's advantage.

 

Again, I was originally talking about the draft. That's what the thread was about, and that's what my comment was directed at. The draft.

Draft.

 

2nd round picks are part of the Draft.

Draf.t

 

He didn't make any bad decisions either. Those were all Parcells. Basically, Ireland has been hand-carving Star Wars figurines the last 4 years.

 

Slick, stop posting on Dupree's account. Not cool, bro.

 

Don't forget Ross.

 

No you were talking draft in a specific time frame so it could best back up your point about the sum total of something.

Hell, I could pick 5 minutes of OBL's life when he wasn't planning an attack and say he wasn't that bad based on those 5 minutes.

You are saying Ireland doesn't value skill positions. We've given you ample reasons that isn't true. Plus, I'd love to know how you can justify saying you know Marshall wasn't him because Ross told him what to do, but Parcells never did?