Draft Tek 3 round mock 12/7/12

They have us taking..

Rhodes..Cooper..Dobson..Lemonier..Eddie Lacy..in that order.

My lord, a Cb, a LG and De?

Do they even watch this team?

I like the G pick, the rest is crap.

3rd Cb off of the board, maybe the 1st G, the DE is way back in the pack and a Wr from Marshall.

Sheesh, and we have until April to wait?

"padre31 wrote:

My lord, a Cb, a LG and De?

Do they even watch this team?

I like the G pick, the rest is crap.

3rd Cb off of the board, maybe the 1st G, the DE is way back in the pack and a Wr from Marshall.

Sheesh, and we have until April to wait?

Fairly clear to me that CB, DE, WR and G are areas we need to invest in. Whether you like the players they picked or not, that's four out of five areas that need help. Not sure what the issue is.

"Boomer wrote:

Fairly clear to me that CB, DE, WR and G are areas we need to invest in. Whether you like the players they picked or not, that's four out of five areas that need help. Not sure what the issue is.

Other than the Hobson pick, I'd be pretty on board with that.

Out of curiosity and just for kicks I put together a list of players that a random bunch of draft sites were predicting as our 1st rounder. Ranked by number of times a player was chosen

Keenan Allen, WR, Cal x10
Justin Hunter WR Tennessee x6
Xavier Rhodes CB Florida State x3
Taylor Lewan OT Michigan x3
Bjorn Werner (DE, Florida State) x2
Dion Jordan OLB Oregon x2
Barkevious Mingo OLB/DE LSU x2
Johnthan Banks, CB, Mississippi State x2
Alex Okafor DE Texas
Dee Milliner CB Alabama
DAMONTRE MOORE DE Texas A&M
Jarvis Jones | OLB | Georgia
Johnathon Hankins, DL, Ohio State
Sam Montgomery (DE/LSU)
WR Robert Woods, USC

I don't like that draft at all. I don't see any CBs that I feel are worth that high of a pick. My favorite guy at the moment is Barr and I can't even find him in their draft. Based on their rankings I would probably have gone:

Barr, DE
Elam, S
Austin, WR
Skov, LB
Ertz, TE

Yeah me too re: the picks. I was more talking about the specifcs of the positions.

"Boomer wrote:

Fairly clear to me that CB, DE, WR and G are areas we need to invest in. Whether you like the players they picked or not, that's four out of five areas that need help. Not sure what the issue is.

Poor value there Boom, the LG is probably a good pick, however if we have the #12 we should not settle for the #3 Cb at the dance.

DE is not a priority, Wr could be (FA could fit the bill).

My needs list:

-#12..BPA, literally you can shoot in any direction, I don't like Cb there for value reasons

De would be a great value there, not a need but it would add additional athleticism.

2nd/3rd rd, LG/WR/Safety Not in that order per se, but they are needs imo

Would not like:

DT
Cb
OL

With our first rd pick, MLB would be iffy, could understand it if a great value fell to us, otherwise we need guys who can attack the LoS imo.

"rafael wrote:

I don't like that draft at all. I don't see any CBs that I feel are worth that high of a pick. My favorite guy at the moment is Barr and I can't even find him in their draft. Based on their rankings I would probably have gone:

Barr, DE
Elam, S
Austin, WR
Skov, LB
Ertz, TE

I personally believe we have to plug the hole at LG, Richie I is just to limited a player.

"padre31 wrote:

I personally believe we have to plug the hole at LG, Richie I is just to limited a player.

Both guards are holes IMO. So is right tackle probably.

"padre31 wrote:

I personally believe we have to plug the hole at LG, Richie I is just to limited a player.

But it's an easier position to fill with mid-level FAs and later picks, particularly in a zone blocking scheme where you can use guys with good technique and athleticism that lack elite size. That type falls in the draft as there is often too much emphasis on size and measureables.

I'm thinking that 13th spot will go up, hopefully get a real chance at T'eo, this franchise and culture, needs this kids energy and identity..

Barr..Te'o..Jones..Werner..That's four top dogs, if one of them drops to us, I would go there, if not, then Eiffert is the pick for me, at this point..

"rafael wrote:

But it's an easier position to fill with mid-level FAs and later picks, particularly in a zone blocking scheme where you can use guys with good technique and athleticism that lack elite size. That type falls in the draft as there is often too much emphasis on size and measureables.

Well, to me, adding a high pick LG with a surplus pick just makes Pouncey that much more effective.

This is why I'd pay a high resource cost to land them, and not a FA, a guy we have for awhile without the big $$$

For us, it makes sense to overpay.

"Sumlit wrote:

Both guards are holes IMO. So is right tackle probably.

JJ is okay, at worst we can slide Richie I there

"padre31 wrote:

Well, to me, adding a high pick LG with a surplus pick just makes Pouncey that much more effective.

This is why I'd pay a high resource cost to land them, and not a FA, a guy we have for awhile without the big $$$

For us, it makes sense to overpay.

I really disagree. When you overpay for non-premium positions it just means that you will most likely always be deficient at those premium positions.

"rafael wrote:

But it's an easier position to fill with mid-level FAs and later picks, particularly in a zone blocking scheme where you can use guys with good technique and athleticism that lack elite size. That type falls in the draft as there is often too much emphasis on size and measureables.

Depends on the GM,:shifty:

"rafael wrote:

I really disagree. When you overpay for non-premium positions it just means that you will most likely always be deficient at those premium positions.

Pats overpaid for Mankins then?

"padre31 wrote:

Pats overpaid for Mankins then?

They already had play makers. Miami has been using premium picks on the OL for years and now everybody says they lack play makers. You're proposing they do more of the same and most likely the result will be more of the same.

"djphinfan wrote:

I'm thinking that 13th spot will go up, hopefully get a real chance at T'eo, this franchise and culture, needs this kids energy and identity..

Barr..Te'o..Jones..Werner..That's four top dogs, if one of them drops to us, I would go there, if not, then Eiffert is the pick for me, at this point..

Agreed and if not I wouldn't be opposed to moving up for one, and my first choice would be Teo then Werner.

"padre31 wrote:

Poor value there Boom, the LG is probably a good pick, however if we have the #12 we should not settle for the #3 Cb at the dance.

DE is not a priority, Wr could be (FA could fit the bill).

My needs list:

-#12..BPA, literally you can shoot in any direction, I don't like Cb there for value reasons

De would be a great value there, not a need but it would add additional athleticism.

2nd/3rd rd, LG/WR/Safety Not in that order per se, but they are needs imo

Would not like:

DT
Cb
OL

With our first rd pick, MLB would be iffy, could understand it if a great value fell to us, otherwise we need guys who can attack the LoS imo.

I have no good idea why you would say that DE isn't a priority. Last time I checked we have Cam Wake and not much else in the pass rush stakes and Wake will be 32 next season. We need edge rushers. And we need cornerbacks. As I said, the specific players may not match, but the positions absolutely do. What if the BPA available at pick 12 is a QB? Or a center? Boom. There goes your BPA selection.

"RoninFin4 wrote:

Other than the Hobson pick, I'd be pretty on board with that.

Dobson seems pretty solid. For what it's worth, Draft Countdown has him #34 overall among Seniors and the #3 WR. He has very good size and good (not great wheels). But he's a playmaker, and that carries a lot of weight. I would seriously consider Da'Rick Rogers with that pick, and because WR is such a dire need my guess is that Draft Tek is assuming that we land Bowe or Jennings in FA.

Rhodes is a quality CB and Lemonier is a very good edge rusher, at DE or maybe OLB. My major criticism would be as to the OG and RB picks- we need Guards, but how many times are you going to go to the well with premium picks on the OL? Can we not land a decent G (or OL for that matter) without spending a high pick? Where is Donald Thomas when we need him? Oh yeah, playing some very good OG for the Pats- the Pats OL that couldn't be stopped in the 4th quarter and had Tony MacDaniel whining after the game...

As to the Lacy pick, we already went to the well with Daniel Thomas and Lamar Miller. I'd rather pick up another pass rusher, CB or WR than get another RB. The FO could draft CB, WR and pass rushers in pairs in the 1st three rounds and I'd be fine with that, maybe OG in the 4th round. This draft has to be about playmakers, our cupboard is bare.

"jim1 wrote:

Dobson seems pretty solid. For what it's worth, Draft Countdown has him #34 overall among Seniors and the #3 WR. He has very good size and good (not great wheels). But he's a playmaker, and that carries a lot of weight. I would seriously consider Da'Rick Rogers with that pick, and because WR is such a dire need my guess is that Draft Tek is assuming that we land Bowe or Jennings in FA.

Rhodes is a quality CB and Lemonier is a very good edge rusher, at DE or maybe OLB. My major criticism would be as to the OG and RB picks- we need Guards, but how many times are you going to go to the well with premium picks on the OL? Can we not land a decent G (or OL for that matter) without spending a high pick? Where is Donald Thomas when we need him? Oh yeah, playing some very good OG for the Pats- the Pats OL that couldn't be stopped in the 4th quarter and had Tony MacDaniel whining after the game...

As to the Lacy pick, we already went to the well with Daniel Thomas and Lamar Miller. I'd rather pick up another pass rusher, CB or WR than get another RB. The FO could draft CB, WR and pass rushers in pairs in the 1st three rounds and I'd be fine with that, maybe OG in the 4th round. This draft has to be about playmakers, our cupboard is bare.

If Bush is gone, I think Miami needs to address RB still. At this point, we have only seen flashes of Miller and have zero idea about Jonas Gray. Daniel Thomas is pretty pedestrian and I think Lacy would be a pretty sizable upgrade to Thomas. That'd give Miami a trio of seemingly a feature back with Lamar Miller, a power back/blocking back with Eddie Lacy, and a nifty, speedy back in Marcus Thigpen. Anything Gray adds to to that is gravy. Of course, that's in an ideal world.

Dobson, does not have true burst of any kind. Guys like Quentin Patton or the kid from USF may be more of a target. Both have the speed to at least threaten a defense, which is something we need more of frankly. Dobson is about the same as Hartline, may be a touch less deep speed IMO. We don't need that, we have that on the roster already. What we need is Matthews to show something during these last 4 games and to find a another young guy with some speed to add to the unit.

"Conuficus wrote:

Dobson, does not have true burst of any kind. Guys like Quentin Patton or the kid from USF may be more of a target. Both have the speed to at least threaten a defense, which is something we need more of frankly. Dobson is about the same as Hartline, may be a touch less deep speed IMO. We don't need that, we have that on the roster already. What we need is Matthews to show something during these last 4 games and to find a another young guy with some speed to add to the unit.

We had a guy with a true burst- Clyde Gates- and we dumped him. I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but imo the flip side is that Dobson is a playmaker. At this point I'm ready to write off Marlon Moore and that basically leaves us with Hartline/Bess/ Rishard Matthews- not a speed burning trio. When you commit 40% of the WR roster to Hartline/Bess, that's a commitment to pedestrian competency- let's face it, they're good but by no means great, and they don't scare many defenses. But I do very much see your point. I'm partial to Da'Rick Rogers, and a guy like Terrance Williams is probably a better fit for us and our speed deficiencies as well. But if Dobson could be a playmaker, I'll take him. I wasn't partial to Alshon Jeffrey for reasons similar to yours as per Dobson, but he was a playmaker for the Bears before his injury.

Dobson may not have a "true burst" as you say, but he can move pretty well. I'm not at all discounting the speed aspect, but I think that he does have decent wheels, and at some point this team is going to have to figure out how to acquire skill position players who can actually make a difference.