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Discussion in 'Science & Technology' started by dolfan40, Nov 12, 2013.

  1. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yes, but at least we're directing it towards people who've done something wrong, unlike Dungy. Although, I'm sure his issue involves more than a little bit of self-loathing.

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  2. Disgustipate

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    Players are and should be held to different standards than coaches.
     
  3. RevRick

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    I have no idea why you are over reacting, and over reaching in your portrayal of Dungy's character. Since you used the term 'sanctimonious' in your previous derisive post, one could, without a lot of presumption, infer that you are not impressed or even detest his failure to hide his faith from the public. To which I must replay that people of faith are not a monolithic group which can be whitewashed or blackly portrayed with a single stroke.

    I have thought that you displayed more depth of understanding in most of your posts when exploring issues of some complexity. I would, if my summation is accurate, as that you expound on your statements, if you will. It would seem to me that those who have maintained a position of integrity would be just the type of individual to be included in the committee as it has been proclaimed.
     
  4. dolfan22

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    So a productive Super Bowl winning coach has different standards when we are talking about having his football input ? How improper can our players be? You are more than ok with Pouncey , would Hernandez be ok too? I doubt you would think that.

    What despicable thing has Dungy done? His personal views on morality aside , has he done anything heinous? Does this preclude him from providing valuable football insight?
     
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  5. Disgustipate

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    It has nothing to do with his faith, and everything to do with his incredible, all-consuming need to be the pre-eminent moralist of the sports world. If he were just vocally religious, that'd be one thing. There's literally no situation he deems of social importance he won't inject himself into. Rex Ryan cussing on TV? He'll take up the cross. Mike Vick? Get him up in that action, pronto. Richie Incognito? There's nothing he can't solve.


    There's really no complexity to this issue. If your pet hobby is to **** with a minority group and make their life worse, you're a bad human being.
     
  6. Disgustipate

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    His personal views on morality are heinous.
     
  7. Phoenician Fan

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    Is it indeed possible for the amoral to establish any kind of morality?
     
  8. Muck

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    That Tony Dungy seems like a hateful, intolerant guy.

    Seriously, we can disagree with a man's view. But meeting hate (perceived or otherwise) with actual hate does not give your words or view any more merit. It only paints you a hypocrite.

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  9. CaribPhin

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    I live in a country of 96% fundamentalist Christians. I wish I had the luxury of pretending that someone's views on an issue that have been inculcated into their minds since birth precludes them from being good people in any capacity.

    That would force me to call the majority of my country bigoted *******s, including my whole family. Must be nice to be able to surround yourself by like minded people and form an us against them mentality.

    I'd quickly change my feeling on this thread if you guys can help me understand the Dungy hate. If it's only that he's ignorant about homosexuality and a hardcore Christian then that describes a lot of my family.

    I'm ignorant on this, has he done anything really egregious?

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  10. Phoenician Fan

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    They are all off worshiping the antichrist.

    Dungy is a good man....as far as men go. We are pretty messed up race of beings. Myself, I am very thankful for forgiveness.
     
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  11. CaribPhin

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    Whoa there, I'm as atheist as the next guy. I'm just saying that I need a little more than an opinion that the vast majority of my family shares.

    Really didn't mean to like that post either. Tapatalk really sucks these days.

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  12. dolfan22

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    To you , and you have that right to believe that but are you saying everyone has to agree with you?

    Have those views ever inflicted any tangible physical hurt or trauma like Hernandez's action and decided lifestyle? Has he ever taken any physical violent action against anyone that did not agree with him?
     
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  13. Phoenician Fan

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    This thread is hilarious if nothing else. Thank you for sharing your atheism.

    Might want to watch out for that,"next guy;" he might not be who you think he is.

    I agree with your families prayers for you.

    I don't want Dungy either, but for professional reasons.
     
  14. padre31

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    That would be "his personal views on morality are heinous..to me"



    I dislike this cmte stuff b/c everyone brings their own agenda to those deals, if they do not line up with a majority of the views then they have a natural ax to grind and media platforms to air them.

    Wereas the upside would be..what..perfect agreement, if that were possible. Just collecting names is of no use at all and is actually counter productive.
     
  15. unifiedtheory

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    I don't know you or your family so I can't comment.

    Dungy is intolerant and a homophobe. The Jason Collins statement came after a talk with a PR specialist, I'm sure.

    His religion? Meh, he has the right to do whatever he wants, I don't care, I'm atheist.
     
  16. djphinfan

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    Rev, it's very hard for me to trust folks who say what Dungy said about collins, " you don't agree with it"???, what?, to me that tells me he thinks their doing something wrong, their sinning, and that's just plain ignorance to the highest degree, shouldn't it be "that's who he is and there's nothing wrong with that", I say that because if you can't understand the simple physiology that starts at birth then how can I trust your philosophies of life?
     
  17. djphinfan

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    No one wished me happy 50,000 posts.....that's racial man.
     
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  18. dolfan22

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    Belated congrats , always enjoy your passion and posts DJ.
     
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  19. MrClean

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    Who does Curtis Martin work for?
     
  20. MrClean

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    I guess I just honestly missed that. What exactly has Dungy done that is anti-gay?
     
  21. MrClean

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    I guess I just don't listen to him enough.
     
  22. ASOT

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    Hence the persona that Ross is all about glitter and glamour can persist if this goes wrong too. They have to do something of substance.

    I wonder if Ross has already had assurance from Goodell that the punishment will be "light" or "lightish" because he's doing this. I don't think Goodell WANTS to cripple the franchise, especially with Ross cooperating, as that would send a bad message to the other owners to never cooperate, or worse start a movement to get Goodell out. So that would be like slitting your own throat.

    Its going to be interesting to see how it plays out. I also wonder about the time frame.....are we talking months or just weeks here ? Will we know the fates of Ireland and Philbin before the end of the year ? Did Ross' seeming ringing endorsement of Philbin means he puts up resistance to what the committee suggests ? So many layers to this, it will be fascinating to watch it unfold.
     
  23. ASOT

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    I know this bothers me too. Why a Jet/Patriot on this committee when you have more old Dolphins available to help out. Dick Anderson became a respected (back when it was respectable) politician that was elected many times to the state legislature. There also is John Offerfahl and maybe Dwight Stevenson who is now a respected local businessman. To bring in someone with Jet/Patriot ties just shows you this guy doesn't really have a grasp on reality.
     
  24. ASOT

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    Yeah this is not the investigation that will be delving into the Martin/Incognito incident, I took this as a committee that will help Ross insure that the organization has some guidelines and what rules the next regime will have to follow.

    Upon more reflection this is starting to sound more like Ross is doing this for publicity and public relations. I'm sure he knows that this latest bruhaha has even wearied the hardest and most ardent of DolFans, and he's worried about completely gutting the fan base. This is a lot about saving face. Fans right now are stunned and just pissed off, and he knows there is a big concern that he is not a capable owner, and the fans start really taking it out on him. And its just plain embarrassing, and he knows that after yet another losing season (I am assuming here) he is going to have to reach out once again to the fans and coddle them a bit to get them to renew season tickets - because it looks like regime change now means more years of losing records and asking the fans to be patient all over again.

    Its a sticky situation, but he has no one to blame but himself. Many folks called for Ireland's ouster years ago, and yet Ross clung to him and it's costing him and the franchise dearly.
     
  25. Disgustipate

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    No, it's not, it's the basis for social progress. People whom are terrible are often upset by the knowledge that they are terrible, and consequently amend their views or hide them.

    If I decided that I hated a broad group of people would be hypocritical. That's not the case.
     
  26. Disgustipate

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    No, not everyone has to agree with me.

    You fundamentally cross a line when you purposefully take action to punish, or make the lives of others worse or harder because of this, though. Tony Dungy has undeniably done that.
     
  27. RevRick

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    You are throwing a lot of statements out there for which I see no verification with quotations or links with which I can see actions reported which show the behaviors against which you are protesting. Now, if you were writing about Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist church and their activities in protesting at funerals of service personnel with placards saying "Your Son is going to Hell!" and "God Hates ****" and such as that, I would be there with you. But, if your statements are based solely on expectations that all Christians are haters based simply on that - you are wrong! As I wrote before, Christianity, like almost any other human activity, is not a monolithic structure. Not even all democrats and/or republicans are bad - despite what press on the other side of the coin would have us believe.

    So what has Dungy directly said, or done, which has piqued your ire? Has he marched in an Anti-Gay parade? Has he stood up and told a purportedly gay player that he was an abomination to creation? Has he uttered what are considered anti-gay slurs in speeches or on the air? Facts, Please?
     
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  28. Disgustipate

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    http://www.stampedeblue.com/2013/5/...mments-on-openly-gay-nba-player-jason-collins

    http://www.dennyburk.com/tony-dungy-on-pres-obamas-gay-marriage-stance/

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/colts/2007-03-21-dungy-remarks_N.htm

    To start off with, there's more though if you'd like.
     
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  29. cdz12250

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    The only way this team is going to return to football royalty is to clone Don Shula and Bobby Beathard, and it would take 35 years or so to wait for the clones to grow up.

    Seriously. The culture of this franchise, from the owner to the water boy, is permeated with what causes perennial losing. It would be almost better if we let this one move to Los Angeles, maintain the brand like Cleveland did, and start an expansion franchise.
     
  30. Section126

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    I think the attacks on Dungy went a little bit overboard. Bordered a bit on hateful.


    Would I want Dungy as CEO of my company? AS a Senator? Mayor? probably not.

    But WTF does this have to do with his football/leadership expertise?
     
  31. RevRick

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    Then you really have a problem with his (and my) theology. That is not the debate in this forum. You can take any comment from virtually any person and build a very inaccurate view of the complete theological stance of an individual. I know that such should not be debated in this forum, and would probably be rapidly subsumed in any other forum with those with rabid views on all sides.

    I don't think you can take the statements for which you provided the links and from them accurately derive a post saying that Tony Dungy is a heinous individual. I reserve that classification for such people as Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Mao Zhe Dung, or terrorists such as BinLaden and his ilk. You may (and obviously do) disagree with his theological stance. I support it. That does not make Dungy, myself, or any other person who has thought these issues through and reached conclusions which disagree with your conclusion as worthy of denigration and castigation - being derided as less than human, having no value, or being a blight on society.

    Since I think this has taken a turn away from what will be allowed on the this forum, PM me if you wish to continue and discern where our theologies, and hence, our cosmologies, differentiate. For that is where this argument really begins - not with the current secular social [h=1][/h]vicissitudes.
     
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  32. Phoenician Fan

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    It is very evident from whose fangs the venomous vitriol is truly dripping.
     
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  33. Disgustipate

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    It's not a theology, it's an obsession. You cheapen and degrade the theology with it.
     
  34. RevRick

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    I find it interesting that supporters of a stance regarding a subject which has developed within the past 30 years (at most) could challenge a position which has existed for over 3,000 years, been discussed and debated, (and is, even as we write, continuing to be discussed and debated) and say the those who support the older, settled, position can be obsessed. It would appear to me that those who seek to change an understanding of a matter of belief would need to provide more proof than simple derogatory statements - or science which is at best, at the present, incomplete since it has not been examined outside of a subjective belief groups interest (neither of which is the operative point here!) The obsession seems to be to force change in an area in which discussion is not only heated, and vitriolic - and the older position is being portrayed as 'hateful.' How? By name calling and finger pointing - and without meaningful discussion when the younger side does not get it's own way.

    Yet, a person can be vilified by simply being a part of that group, and one who defends it can be insulted with a one line response with no substantive support to show how it said stance can be 'degraded and cheapened." Now, if you wish to discuss this further, let's take it off the board. Your and my stance on the issue have no bearing on the heart of the matter, which is Dungy being part of the committee selected by Ross - which is, of course, no real business of ours in the first place. If you wish to continue just taking pot shots at a matter in which you have only offered slim, at best, support - go ahead. I have been called worse than cheap and degrading in far more extensive arguments.
     
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  35. dolfan22

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    That is considered heinous?

    He may not agree with your views but to categorize what you listed as heinous is a huge stretch imo . Miami has far more pressing issues than this.
     
  36. Dungy is a great choice. He can really toughen up that Martin kid.
     
  37. Disgustipate

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    Your understanding of history and sociology is deeply flawed. Do they not teach you anything about the cultures that are behind the major intellectual underpinnings of your religious belief system?

    This is a literally amazing thing to allude to, and I'm really waiting with baited breath here to see what you've got to say on this.


    Naw, I think this very badly needs witnesses. It's a thread on Tony Dungy, this is reasonably on topic.
     
  38. dolfan22

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    A effin men.

    Exactly and that is the point.
     
  39. Vendigo

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    So one shouldn't call out antisemitism, racism or sexism either?
     
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  40. Phoenician Fan

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    OK, so you really,really hate Jesus, you hate the bible, and you really hate people who follow Christ and believe that the bible defines what is true and real.

    WE GET IT!!

    Now, can we talk about football.

    You can debate things ad-nauseum. Many atheists with multiple doctorates and many evangelical theologians with multiple PHD's have done so over and over again year after year.

    In the end it will always come down to a power struggle. Spiritual warfare wages on. As it is written: The kingdom of heaven is not a matter of mere words...but of power.

    God is an eternal being who creates universes, and perhaps many other more complex realities beyond our comprehension. Are you really,really sure you want to oppose him??
     
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