What was your case?

I think most people's problem with the super team is that instead of watching three of the best players compete and have battles - they banded together and in peoples' minds, "took the easy way out".

So people have a negative view because they viewed these guys as the next Bird vs Magic - but instead they chose to just join forces.

I'm not saying it was right or wrong - but from a purely fan standpoint I think you can see why this would be unappealing.

 

Blame it on the rain of Lebron.

 

So you are finally admitting that what they did could be seen in a negative light? Your problem is just that people haven't gotten over it?

 

if these people that "dislike" these guys had a favorite team. and their team signed them instead of miami. they'd be blowing the 3kings collective johnson's all at once.

BOOHOOBOOHOO cry babies is all they are.

 

Seems like Heat fans are the ones BOOHOO'ing about the fact that LeBron, Wade and Bosh are on this list...

 

What? My favorite basketball team is the Los Angeles Lakers and I don't even want to see LeBron nor Bosh playing with the Lakers. D-Wade is ok with me.

 

only second to yours

 

ah go feed your wolf or something

 

right....cause there are lists on sportscenter talking about the "%" of heat fans crying about disliked ratings.......

 

if you didnt vote on this poll.....then its not a statement towards you. I was saying the people voting to dislike these players, would love it if it were the other way around.

Thats my guess anyways...

 

I definitely agree with this. But that doesn't mean that those same people can't have a negative opinion of these guys.

You can say they are "haters" and just jealous - but I don't think it is ridiculous to think that the casual fan could view them in a negative light for taking what is perceived as the easy way out.

 

Please.

The casual fan is now excited about the NBA again. People want to watch dynasties. This is why basketball lost popularity after Jordan retired the second time. The dynasty ended. Shaq and Kobe couldn't quite recreate that magic.

The Heat have.

This is good for the NBA.

 

*Gasp* Are you trying to insinuate that the hate might be... media driven? The same media milking the situation for all its worth? Because creating stories to cover would be irresponsible journalism. Something ESPN will not accept credit for.

 

:yes:

I find it near unbelievable that there can be so much hand wringing over a Q rating prior to the season?

Who cares?

What should happen? Universal love and adoration?

It is a known Fact that no one likes the rich kids, which is why ESPN is going 24/7 with Heat coverage, they want to be certain to set up the Heat to not be liked, to be overexposed, that way they cannot lose.

Next step is to start hyping rival Teams, a Dynasty is only as good as it's Rivals, Bird made Magic, Jordan made the Bad Boys, Knicks made the Bulls.

Basically, this boils down to a dispute over negative marketing of the Heat, as if every game won't be sold out where they play..:D

 

I don't much care about what people think of me or of celebrities. But I am very interested in psychology. I am fascinated when people have emotional opinions that are devoid of logic. There is no logical reason why a player like Wade (or LBJ for that matter) should be higher on the list than players accused of horrendous crimes. There are, however, illogical, emotional reasons for it. The quote that comes to mind is that "people will forget what you say and what you did, but they'll never forget how you made them feel." I find it interesting how often people are such emotional, unthinking creatures.

 

Damn this season is going to be interesting.

 

dwyane wade is like the poster boy for good intentioned and clean cut. i cant imagine people not loving him, before of after lebron signing here.

 

I dont get the Wade hate. I get the hate on Lebron and Bosh but not Wade. I mean, Im a Knicks fan and I think Wade is awesome and fun to watch about as much as a Knick fan can like a Heat player. The guy did nothing wrong. He flirted with Chicago for about 5 minutes but everyone has a right to think about "going home" and that is where he grew up. He never really was serious about NY or anywhere else. I felt Lebron and Bosh kinda deceived people and dragged things out but thats my opinion. This is just Wade being guilty by association. :yes:

 

What i dont get is how guys like Donte Stallworth and Leonard Little arent higher on that list? I mean I didnt like Lebron/Bosh's decision or how they handled it but theres no way they should be thought of worse then guys like Stallworth. They didnt kill anyone. Well maybe the NBA, for now, but you get the point.

 

Really?

Well, look at it this way, ESPN is on the Heat's every move, when was the last time they mentioned Stallworth hitting that man?

Leonard who?

Meanwhile, every day, another story about how "fans" are outraged!!!

Eh, Wade and Bosh (who have gotten more coverage the last 4 months than he had in yrs in Toronto) are merely in the James Negative news orbit.

 

Well thats why I dont watch BSPN anymore except for actual sporting events they televise. Their analysis has become redundant and caters strictly to shock value...emphasis on the BS cause thats what they specialize in.

Like I said, I felt Lebron and Bosh could have handled their decision better. That has nothing to do with the team they chose. But I dont think they did anything terrible like some other athletes have.

 

Thing is, the vast majority of sports fans do watch BSPN, that is what is driving that negative opinion.

BSPN has the contract to broadcast games, they intend to hype them to grow the market, by the time they are done, even casual sports fans who are not particularly interested in the NBA will know all of the names of the Heat players.

As Cowherd has said, he has a 3 hour show and gives the NBA all sorts of free advertising time, now multiply that by all of BSPN's outlets, and the other outlets who feed off of BSPN.

Baseball coverage will shrink mainly due to demographics, NBA coverage will grow for the same reasons.

 

Ok well your first mistake is listening to Cowherd. Talk about three hours of life you can never get back.

The second mistake is believing what he has to say. Its not how long you get to advertise for but how effective you are it.

That BSPN hypes up the Heat means nothing. They can talk about them all they want. All three are great players...you have two of the top 3 and another in the top 15 (Bosh). Its a matter of what those guys have accomplished on the court. Those guys have never been in trouble and they have never done anything seriously wrong. Yes, some fans like me were jaded by they didnt pick my team. And even more fans were annoyed by the BSPN special they had. And a few more were that they took their sweet time enjoying the process and dragging things out. But they arent criminals so by treating them like they are its BSPN and their listeners who lose credibility for believing the nonsense they are babbling about.

Now I have to go shower again because defending the Heat is almost as dirty as defending the Jets or Bills. :no:

 

Really?

Sports aren't based around logic. It isn't logical for me to spend this much time, money and brainpower following sports. It is completely based on emotion.

If you asked me who my most hated athlete is, I would say Kevin Garnett - because in the realm of being an athlete and within sports, I hate that guy.

Sure there are guys that have committed crimes and other horrible things - and on a personal level I definitely put them ahead of Garnett.

But if the question is in terms of athletes I think of people who impact my watching sports.

If you asked me who I hate the most in my personal life - I am going to name a few choice ex-girlfriends before Hitler. Not because their crimes are worse, and not because I am jealous they are with someone new, but because they had a more direct impact on my life.

 

It was on the job, so I was paid to listen.

That was the fun of it, there is a saying "stay in one place and the rabbit will run in a big circle right back to you", Cowherd does exactly that, he talks a bunch of crap, pretends like he believes it (his Mannywood hyping was particularly funny to watch the arc, "Brilliant" to "he was using steroids!" to "it didn't work ?!?!").

No offense to West Coast Phin Fans, but Cowherd is the "West Coast Spineless Sleazeball" to the proverbial "T".

Then it does matter what coverage on BSPN has to say? Otherwise there is no reason for Dwade to have an ounce of any negativity around him other than BSPN's coverage.


When I do occasionally watch that network it occurs to me that the anchors are no different than a Billy Mays infomercial, they hype and tout their broadcasting product and the "Stars" in the broadcasts.

Covering Heat practices? That is a unheard of use of broadcast time, so why would they do it?

How much are the paying to broadcast NBA games? Not even TNT, whose main sports package is the NBA, is covering the practices..

GO BILLS!!!!!!!!

:lol:

 

ESPN is not in the sports business - they are in the athlete business. Go to Youtube and watch the "Fake Spike" clip. The SportsCenter highlights are 9:40 for that game. Not because of the fake spike - that is just how much time they spent covering the full game. Now you get one, MAYBE two highlights. The rest is all about individual players.

They build them up, tear them down and build them back up.

Look at our Jets game - after Braylon caught the TD they said he had "redeemed" himself. In what world does catching touchdown passes redeem you from driving drunk? How many TD passes does Donte Stallworth have to catch to bring that guy back to life?

ESPN is the MSNBC or FOX News of sports - it is skewed and twisted to tell a narrative. And right now that narrative is about the Miami Heat.

I don't like LeBron - and it is ridiculous that Wade is being dragged down with him, but I think it has more to do with ESPN's brainwashing than with race. I believe Sec showed that Bron still has one of the highest Q scores as well - again, just like MSNBC and FOX News, they are forcing people to have an extreme opinion, be it positive or negative, because it helps them boost ratings.

 

Then say you hate Lebron just b/c. Don't try to pretend that you have sound reasons for doing so.

BTW I don't follow sports that way. You won't see me in any of those threads that bag on Jets players just b/c they are Jets. I admired CP when he was a Jet. I defended the playing ability of Brady and Sanchez. I also criticized Marino, who is probably my favorite player of all time, for the things he did poorly. So while there is obviously emotion in sports, that doesn't mean that it has to make people blind.

 

Negative light? Or a bunch of crybabies with an axe to grind?

You mentioned the easy way out.. If you could make a million dollars working really hard and slaving, day in and day out, or had a brilliant idea and made a fast million, would people be criticizing you for "taking the easy way out?"

 

I'm a Cavs fan - thought that was known - so yes I hate LeBron "just because".

And I am similar to you in that I can look at sports rationally, but that doesn't mean there isn't emotion involved and players I don't like for things they do ON the court. Garnett is a punk on the court so I don't like him. If you ask me athletes I don't like, I am going to think of them in the context of their lives as athletes - not personal lives.

 

I don't like Shaq. I don't enjoy watching him play and I don't like how he rips every team and his former team mates when he leaves. That sounds somewhat like your opinion about Garnett. But the hate against Lebron is different. You are free to hate him just because and I would not question it one bit. However, when people criticize Lebron b/c they say that they are doing it for specific things that aren't true. Nobody can "know" the real reason why he did the show. There are logical, financial reasons for it so pretending that those don't exist are just examples of somebody hating just b/c. He didn't play the race card yet I guarantee that there will be people complaining that he did and hating him for it for at least a year. Those kind of ignorant statements are the kind of stuff I always defend against.

 

Chris Bosh sucks.

 

really?

Dwayne Wade is a great person on and off the court....he stays outta trouble and does what he is supposed too. PPL treating Wade a guy who stayed loyal to his city deserves better.

 

Don't be rude Section.. After all, most Jests fans are known to be mentally deficient.. All those years of losing.. The mental illness is worse now since most of these Jests fans also cheer the hapless Knicks and Mets.