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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by pumpdogs, Feb 3, 2018.

  1. cbrad

    cbrad . Club Member

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    You should hate our front office instead if Gase turns out not to be the answer.

    We'll see how Gase does in 2018 when he has no "backup QB" excuse, though if there's another injury to our QB this year and we have to play another backup QB.. well that's ALL on Gase as far as I'm concerned if he's not prepared.

    The one thing that disturbed me though about Gase in 2017 is that our defense has gotten worse. Your Eagles fan mentioned Pederson. He took their defense from 28th in points allowed in 2015 to 12th last year (when he was hired) and then to 4th this year. Clear improvement. Gase? We were 19th before him, stayed at 18th in 2016 and then plummeted to 29th in 2017. There's no "backup QB" excuse for that one.
     
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  2. Boik14

    Boik14 Admin Club Member Retired Administrator

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    I hate Tannenbaum and our entire personnel department. Top heavy roster (we have 120M committed to like 10 players, none of whom actually come close to justifying their salary aside from Suh and maybe Tannehill) because they can’t evaluate talent for **** and in the rare instances when they do, they can’t put the right price tag on it and end up vastly overpaying. And oh yeah, I hate Eagles fans. Scum of the earth....they may be the only group dumber then Jets fans.
     
  3. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    https://www.googleadservices.com/pa...e.html?m=48097&client=ca-pub-9361588180703247
    Tannabaum and Grier also have a huge hand in the defence issues.
    Lurie wanted gase and I bet he is kicking himself now taking this miami job.
     
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  4. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    The offense struggling certainly affects the defense, as they're out there more often. Now, the defense did themselves no favors, especially on third down, but the it's not really a surprise that the defense fell further in points allowed, and I think some of that is because of the offense's ineptitude.
     
  5. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Howie sure schooled tannerbaum with that stupid kikio maxwell trade.
     
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  6. Boik14

    Boik14 Admin Club Member Retired Administrator

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    Everyone schools Tannenbaum. Hes the resident idiot every fantasy football league has and tries to rip off in deals. Sometimes theyre successful. :blushing:
     
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  7. cbrad

    cbrad . Club Member

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    Here's one way of estimating how much of the drop in defensive performance was due to the offense. Points scored and points allowed have an average correlation of -0.2886 since 1978 (an important demarcation point where various stats show the nature of the game changed). That's not that big but it's big enough to cause a decent shift in defensive ranking.

    The graph below shows the average change in points allowed for each extra point scored across NFL history. Keep in mind that this does not show causality. It's just showing how much on average a point scored relates to points allowed.
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    The average since 1978 is -0.252. We can use this to estimate how good the defense would have been if ALL the correlation between offense and defense is due to the offense (i.e. we can estimate the maximum possible effect).

    The Dolphins in 2016 scored 363 points and in 2017 they scored 281 points for a difference of 82 points. Multiply -0.252*82 = -20.66. Add -20.66 to the 393 points we gave up in 2017 and you get 372.34 points, which would have our defense ranked 21st instead of 29th. We were 34 points from being ranked 18th as in 2016, suggesting that 20.66/34 = 60.8% of the drop in defensive ranking is the maximum you could attribute to the drop in offensive performance.

    I'd just cut that 60.8% in half as a decent estimate of how much of the drop was due to offense because correlations are not directional and there's no a priori reason to think that on average offense affects defense more than vice versa. So maybe a decent estimate is that 30% of the drop in defensive performance was due to the offense.
     
  8. jw3102

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    You can show any graph you want to but that doesn’t justify the fact that the Dolphins had no pass rush or a single LB on their roster who could cover a TE or make impact plays for the defense.
    The defense was loaded with mediocre to below average players and that is the reason the stats for the defense were bad.

    Gase screwed up by convincing the FO to spent ten million on Cutler and he deserves the entire blame for how ineffective the offense was in 2017.

    Personally I think Tannebaum is terrible in his position and it won’t surprise mr if Tannebaum, Grier and Gase are all gone from the Dolphins within the next two years.
     
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  9. cbrad

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    I think there's good evidence the offense does affect the defense and vice versa. That doesn't mean the lions share of the blame shouldn't go to the defense itself.

    So it's clear.. that 30% estimate refers only to what percent of the difference in defensive performance between last year and this year is due to the offense. The baseline of whatever it took to be ranked #18 last year would be estimated to be ALL on the defense, at least until someone can show specifically how different teams' offenses affect their defenses (until then we have no choice but to assume the same unknown average effect + random variation for all teams).

    So yeah.. the lions share of any defensive ranking is due to the defense. Like I said in post #2 there's no "backup QB" excuse for (most of) the near-basement defensive ranking we had in 2017.
     
  10. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Tell your iggles fan friend to go rub some Crisco on a pole and shove it up his arsehole. Go punch a horse or something
     
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  11. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    But could you tell us how you really feel? LOL, I couldn't resist.
     
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  12. Boik14

    Boik14 Admin Club Member Retired Administrator

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    Hey it’s what I’m good at (saying how I really feel) :confused2::ffic:
     
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  13. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    Eagles fans are the worst. The one time I was cheering for that asshat Brady he ****ing loses. Go figure.
     
  14. cbrad

    cbrad . Club Member

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    Seriously? I can't imagine ANY scenario where I'd root for Brady to win another SB. Wouldn't matter to me how bad any group of fans is when it comes to that.
     
  15. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    I live in Philly and now I’ll have to hear Nick Foles or Wentz is the GOAT now.
     
  16. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Nick Foles is the G.O.A.T.

    Greatest of all todays. Congrats Iggles and your loudmouth obnoxious fans. Got er did!!!
     
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  17. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    mnfinfan Active Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Totally agree, even though in MN Philly was the hated team, I could not get around that the Pats are my hated team and I couldn't stand them winning another damn SB.
     
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  19. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    At this point whats another SB win for Brady?
     
  20. ChrisKo

    ChrisKo Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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  21. hitman8

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    You need to turn in your dolfan membership card. No self-respecting dolphins fan would root for the cheating patriots. I was rooting for the eagles all the way. Seeing the sore loser look on Brady's face was priceless.
     
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  22. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    That and the rub my balls in your face cuz my QB can catch playcall! I'll remember that forever!
     

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