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Early first round Phins' picks from some pundits:

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Sceeto, Feb 24, 2018.

  1. Boomer

    Boomer Premium Member Luxury Box

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    My man, never said Gase is infallible. Far from it. He's made mistakes. Show me a head coach that hasn't. But I can't think someone as respected as yourself can't see the following:

    Gase has had his franchise QB for 12.5 of 33 games since he's been in charge.

    What do you think Mike McCarthy's record would have been the past two seasons if he'd had Aaron Rodgers for 12.5 of 33 games? Or Pete Carroll's without Russell Wilson? Or Bill Belichick without Tom Brady? The Packers were 4-1 when Rodgers got hurt and lost 8 of the remaining 11. Two of those three wins came in overtime including one against winless Cleveland.

    Gase since he's been here is 16-16 - a 10-6 season followed by a 6-10 season. McCarthy is 17-15 - a 10-6 season followed by a 7-9 campaign. Gase has had Tannehill just over a third of games. McCarthy has had Rodgers for 21 of 32 games. Yet the win/loss differential is +1 in favour of Mike McCarthy, Super Bowl winning head coach with arguably the greatest QB of all time as his starter.

    Sorry, but these things HAVE to be put into some perspective. They have to.

    You'll have heard me plenty of times asking Gase tough questions in press conferences, same with Philbin in London. The statement that I must be on the payroll because of a few posts on this board isn't really on.
     
  2. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I live up here and this is such a false statement.
     
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  3. Boomer

    Boomer Premium Member Luxury Box

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    No, what you actually said was this:

    That isn't:

    There's a fairly significant difference.

    Ross is responsible for bringing in the only coach who's been to the playoffs since 2008, all done with a back-up quarterback and turning round a 6-10 team. Pretty much speaks for itself.
     
  4. Boomer

    Boomer Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Unfortunately it isn't and as proven through this thread, you have trouble with true statements.
     
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  5. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Wow why so angry?But yes you are wrong.Despite taking the eagles to 4 nfc championships the eagle fans wanted andy reid run out of town.
    Despite chip kelly having 2 10-6 seasons and then after making him the GM they went 6-10.The good owner lurie is realized his mistake and fired him.Ross would have kept him another 5 years.
     
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  6. Boomer

    Boomer Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Not angry at all my friend. In fact I'm the total opposite!

    And again, even a cursory search of the internet would tell you how Eagles fans feel about Lurie.

    But keep believing what you want my man.
     
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  7. Den54

    Den54 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    AMERICA!

    Posters like you make me wonder why he evens ventures out here.
    Pearls before swine comes to mind.
     
  8. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I mostly took this last season off from watching NFL football. This decision had very little to do with the Dolphins or protests or anything like that, just my overall declining interest in the sport in general.

    That said, taking the season off and only having the highest level outlook on what happened with Miami this year I think has put me in good perspective to look at things just at the high level and realize what I think Boomer and others are saying. Of course Gase deserves another year and probably more than another year. It's not even close. You don't just get rid of a coach who had a great first year because he had a rough year in a season filled with adversity and without his starting QB.

    That's the problem with being a fan. When you are into every game, you make knee jerk decisions and gut reactions based on micro level data instead of looking at the macro picture.

    I think Gase deserves a long term shot in Miami. He can be a good coach. They need to pair him up with a competent front office.
     
  9. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I don't need to, like I said I live here and listen to sports radio.
    I am done arguing as you have your opinion and I have mine.
     
  10. danmarino

    danmarino Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is. Club Member

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    He has facts and you have opinions.

    Big difference.
     
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  11. Walter

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    Agree the term "clueless" is not acceptable from anyone and a poor choice or words describing peoples personal opinions. We are both better than that.

    Now I think for me I understand where your coming from.
    Difference is "Standards" . Seems like all these inefficiencies I think I see are accountable and acceptable with your vision of the direction we are going or you don't view them as game changers.
    Funny , I do see you as a mentor football wise but in this particular case just out right tired of excuse after excuse year after year....We're no longer a football team more Excusemakers....oh well this happened and this and the weather and Ajayi and QB and coke heads and crap forgot the OL and players are dumb, and on and on FOR YEARS! Sorry Hommie don't play this game anymore....
    Truthfully a healthy RT is and wasn't even going to bring us the level of team I look forward to, 4 more wins the team still sucks over all..Not my vision of success, maybe yours which is fine....
    Lost the playoffs to a better team dah...ya! ( thats a good point) sign we might need to get better...
    Playing a HOF QB, so i guess if those come around again we should just cancel the game (my side = a team that a least deserves to be on the same field giving them all they could handle (not a 30-12 handling))
    OK I give you Tannehill at the helm and the 4 more wins 10-6... also not what I'm pushing for and after 15 years it not an unreasonable request and I don't see the wonder in our HC besides wonder "what the hell was he thinking".
    Boomer don't get me wrong I respect the hell out of you and could mostly listen to you all day and learn so much but your response in this debate is like I'm talking to a first time Forum fan whose still has the aqua and orange glasses on.
    Next your gonna tell me that we had to deal with a hurricane Irene or travel so far and be away from home and mommy was just to much to handle and prepare for....gee another excuse.. And Gases staff (now gone) holding No responsibilities for allowing a team of mental pushovers, thats if they even were ever aware of such problems. Sadly Gases team have just turned into a bundle of excuse peddlers IMO and truthfully so tired of the same crap again and again... And now I hear the same reasoning from you .
    Quote Rosanne rosana dana: " There's ALWAYS something"....yep and the good coaches know what to do....And thats why they are so good.....capiche ?

    Gase, FO, half the team should be replaced and start a real rebuild ( wow half the coaching staff is being replaced good & I know Gase is not going anywhere). Recommend starting with a tremendous OL, in which whoever we have on the off. will be at more their best and in 2-3 years we hopefully will proudly not just be going to the playoffs but winning NOW THERE'S AN INTERESTING CONCEPT, do people even think of that anymore ? And a HOF QB we will show goes down just like the other ones.
    This is the vision I have, for I had enough of all this hype and failure I see going on this continuous "Ground Hog Day" existence for another 10 years. People conditioned to accept of seeing greatness in mediocrity.
    Ya I'm upset and taking it harder than needed it's called 50 year addiction and I can't break it thou I try... Guess spoiled with the Shula years and levels of evaluation that made sense.....
    Understand Gase only has had 2 years but in those two years don't see much of anything to add more years on except new levels of excuses and trying to learn on the job....
     
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  12. danmarino

    danmarino Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is. Club Member

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    lol
     
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  13. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    You act like great head coaches and great GMs grow on trees and there's a line of them waiting to be hired. I'd say across the 32 NFL teams, you can count the really good head coaches on one hand and really good GMs on the other hand. overreacting to a down year and cleaning house doesn't guarantee improvement at all. The more likely scenario is a reset back to baseline (average).
     
  14. Walter

    Walter Well-Known Member

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    Ya your right
    SO WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST THROW IN THE TOWEL !!!!!

    Down Year lol...your funny... try 2 decades of down years....
    Could have grown that friggin tree and picked that Head Coach and GM by now.....lmao
     
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  15. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Why are you so impatient?Its only been what like close to 40 years since the phins last SB apperance?How about only 9 teams have not been in their conference championship since 1996.Yep we are one of those.The last playoff win was with jay fielder.But please stay patient!
     
  16. danmarino

    danmarino Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is. Club Member

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    You act as if Gase and Ross have been a part of the team for 40 years. Gase has had 2 seasons neither of which had the franchise QB playing fully.
     
  17. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Waiting 40 yrs for a SB has what to do with firing a young HC after 2 seasons...nothing. How has that impatient thing been working out for this team? You know, the carousel of HC's since 95? Constant big name FA's etc. Most fans are passionate(like yourself) but also fickle , short sighted and knee jerk(like yourself) Anybody calling for Gase's head after two seasons, after reading what Boomer had written, thankfully is not in charge of the Dolphins. Whether that is patience or just being smart is hard to tell. What I am sure about is, changing coaches every 2-3 yrs is wrong. And no matter how long it has been since we won a SB, it has nothing to do with 2018, and how we do business the right way going forward.
     
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  18. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    no one is more frustrated over the past two decades than me, but those are completely irrelevant when criticizing the current regime. while they definitely deserve criticism, it's silly to me to give up on them now. It's nothing personal against you, I just hate knee-jerk reactions. Now, if Tannehill comes back and plays in 2018 and we end up 6-10, then I'm okay with cleaning house.
     
  19. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I am pretty sure nowhere have I said to fire gase this year!
     
  20. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Fire Gase, don't fire Gase...it doesn't really matter. Teams go as far as they have the talent to go. We've had more bad drafts than good over the last 15 years and that's reflected in our record over that time. Until we have several good drafts in a row, nothing is going to change that much.
     
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  21. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    My apologies then, but I think he deserves even more than next season, without being on the hot seat Let him build this his way. He finally has a few of the coaches in place he wanted when he took the job.
     
  22. texanphinatic

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    The crying over Ross is insane. The **** do you want, Mike Brown? Jimmy Haslem? Jed York? Stan Kroenke? **** that noise. Owners are there to spend money. Ross is always willing to spend money. Just because you don't like Tannenbaum or Gase doesn't translate to him being "clueless" as an owner. You have no freaking idea how much worse than Ross it could get. If we don't get results, we will make changes, but kneejerk reactions to having a losing season after losing your QB, going through a hurricane and still playing in the division with the best team in the NFL for the last decade isn't a recipe for instant success or a good environment to chew through coaches.
     
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  23. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Stop trying to pretend I'm happy with the state of the team. This isn't about what I am and am not happy about.

    I'm asking you specific a question.

    - Does an owner/coach/qb/etc. suck until they win? For example, did Jeff Laurie suck until they won a SB this year?
    This is a simple yes or no question, and it shouldn't be hard for you to answer.
     
  24. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    The real problem is if they go 6-10 who is to blame?I don't want to see a repeat of ireland and philbin.If one goes they all go.
    So here is hoping for 10-6 or better.
    Just remember not everybody has the same amount of patience.I was a little kid when they won those super bowls.
     
  25. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    No jeffery lurie went to NFC CHAMPIONSHIPS!
     
  26. pumpdogs

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    Eagles organization is light years better than the dolphins.
     
  27. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Ok. So before he went to NFCCG, did he suck?
     
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  28. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Of course.He realized his mistake with ray rhodes and changed the direction of the team when he hired andy reid.
    The next mistake was chip kelly but he quickly fixed that issue also.Great owner!
     
  29. The Finest

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    is this donald trump?

    very sad!
     
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  30. danmarino

    danmarino Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is. Club Member

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    So great owners can make mistakes and suck, but if given the chance make good choices and then be great.

    I guess the Eagles fans are lucky that he never sold the team during his "clueless" years.
     
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  31. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    So, he sucked for awhile, and if you had been a fan you'd be screaming about he needed to go.
     
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  32. Boomer

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    Meanwhile back at the draft.........
     
  33. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Haha! I forgot what the topic of this post even was..
     
  34. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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  35. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    You forgot @ 1/10 Suh's salary
     
  36. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    So add Landry to the mix with RT and #11 to move up
     
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  37. The Finest

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    anybody have insight on tim settle as an option for the interior d line?
     
  38. Boomer

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    Quick, agile, athletic, very strong. Can play NT, the 3, 4 and IMO the technique. A true pocket collapser. My concern would be his weight. He's 335 and had trouble controlling it. You could see a kid like him being 375 in a heartbeat and losing what makes him such a tempting top 75 proposition.
     
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    I think the browns would take landry the #11 for their 4th for sure, I just don't think RT has any trade stock personally but I like where your heads at, even though I don't want to lose landry
     
  40. Walter

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    Sad to lose Landry, and he brings a lot to the table but our table is to bare to not take advantage of opportunities he may provide with proper transactions and the extra bucks he would provide us. Landry wants 15 mil. Thats a Norwell plus which actually will be better for our future, if our FO had half a brain....

    QB pretty much always a plus if there is a reasonable upgrade. But again we're still in Tannehill mode whether we like it or not and could be more beneficial focusing more on one in the future.

    How about keeping 11 though I do want Nelson really bad and 11 probably not cutting it but keep 11 and get Browns 33, or 35 for Landry, might be more do able but still a long shot. Browns own 2 of the top 3 picks in Rd. 2. They could still get one player they want, and one of those picks might have been a WR anyway its a need, plus the Browns have 110 mil. in cap space.. We would have a few options with 33 or 35...
     
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