Every Tannehill dropback against Cincinnati

That was awesome to watch without all the time in between plays. Thanks for posting this.

He made some nice throws and he was pretty efficient- good, not great. That's the question- can he be great? I don't know.

This game probably doesn't end too well if Grimes and Wake don't contribute 9 points. It probably wouldn't have ended well if Bernard and Atkins weren't injured. It probably wouldn't have ended well if Tannehill gave up a pick six on a receiver stare down that a Benglas DB almost converted at 3:53 of the clip.

The OL payed better, the running game was better, the defense got three picks- I'm very happy that we won the game, of course, but we could have so easily lost it and probably should have. Why Marvin Lewis didn't go for a 57 yard field goal to win it is beyond me, he's got a strong legged kicker that made a 54 yarder earlier.

WIth a better OL and better game plan Tannehill would be better- I saw a clip on ESPN- the Patriots offense, beautifully designed play action pass that gave Gronk a half step on 2 defenders, froze them for half of a second- why don't we do that? We lack that offensive level of sophistication, the offense is so damned vanilla- where's the deception, surprise, trickery, misdirection? How about Tannehill rolling out or- and this is on him I think- threatening to run more when he's in the pocket? He's a very athletic QB, right? Use it.

I'm not trying to be negative, just honest. Tannehill has talent and a very good arm. What he's lacking is escapability (look at :10 in the clip, Atkins is about 300 lbs- athletic I know- and stops Tannehill dead in his tracks) pocket presence and a feel for the game. He'll get better with an improved OL- but even considering the lousy OL this year I haven't seen the growth of his game this year that so many expected. I don't think that he has an elite head for the game, not close really. imo He's on track to be a good, solid Quarterback. But not a great one.

Great stuff Thanks for the work!

A couple times he had Wallace open on a box slant but chose to go to the weak side... He needs to look at Wallace more often...

"jim1 wrote:

What he's lacking is escapability (look at :10 in the clip, Atkins is about 300 lbs- athletic I know- and stops Tannehill dead in his tracks) pocket presence and a feel for the game. He'll get better with an improved OL- but even considering the lousy OL this year I haven't seen the growth of his game this year that so many expected. I don't think that he has an elite head for the game, not close really. imo He's on track to be a good, solid Quarterback. But not a great one.

I agree that he needs to work on that but I don't think the Atkins sack is a great. I don't think a single quarterback in the NFL gets away from Atkins in the situation.

"Rhody Phins Fan wrote:

I agree that he needs to work on that but I don't think the Atkins sack is a great. I don't think a single quarterback in the NFL gets away from Atkins in the situation.

Agreed. That is a sack 98% of the time.

"Rhody Phins Fan wrote:

I agree that he needs to work on that but I don't think the Atkins sack is a great. I don't think a single quarterback in the NFL gets away from Atkins in the situation.

Tannehill has a tendency to freeze in that situation, and that's what I saw there.

We're taking the term timing based passing game to another level, and if something goes wrong along the way to disrupt it, the play is preety much dead..

"jim1 wrote:

Tannehill has a tendency to freeze in that situation, and that's what I saw there.

Many young quarterbacks in that situation panic and throw the ball up for grabs and get intercepted. If our options are interception or sack, I'll take a sack any day of the week.

"finsincebirth wrote:

Many young quarterbacks in that situation panic and throw the ball up for grabs and get intercepted. If our options are interception or sack, I'll take a sack any day of the week.

How many times has Tannehill gotten pressure from the middle and stopped and gone down, just frozen? Granted the OL has had nearly historic problems in pass pro, but where's that former WR type athleticism? Where's the esapability? Rolling out while chased, side stepping in the pocket, I'll take any of it at this point. Why doesn't he run more often when plays break down, shake up the defense? I was expecting much more in that regard.

"jim1 wrote:

He made some nice throws and he was pretty efficient- good, not great. That's the question- can he be great? I don't know.

This game probably doesn't end too well if Grimes and Wake don't contribute 9 points. It probably wouldn't have ended well if Bernard and Atkins weren't injured. It probably wouldn't have ended well if Tannehill gave up a pick six on a receiver stare down that a Benglas DB almost converted at 3:53 of the clip.

The OL payed better, the running game was better, the defense got three picks- I'm very happy that we won the game, of course, but we could have so easily lost it and probably should have. Why Marvin Lewis didn't go for a 57 yard field goal to win it is beyond me, he's got a strong legged kicker that made a 54 yarder earlier.

WIth a better OL and better game plan Tannehill would be better- I saw a clip on ESPN- the Patriots offense, beautifully designed play action pass that gave Gronk a half step on 2 defenders, froze them for half of a second- why don't we do that? We lack that offensive level of sophistication, the offense is so damned vanilla- where's the deception, surprise, trickery, misdirection? How about Tannehill rolling out or- and this is on him I think- threatening to run more when he's in the pocket? He's a very athletic QB, right? Use it.

I'm not trying to be negative, just honest. Tannehill has talent and a very good arm. What he's lacking is escapability (look at :10 in the clip, Atkins is about 300 lbs- athletic I know- and stops Tannehill dead in his tracks) pocket presence and a feel for the game. He'll get better with an improved OL- but even considering the lousy OL this year I haven't seen the growth of his game this year that so many expected. I don't think that he has an elite head for the game, not close really. imo He's on track to be a good, solid Quarterback. But not a great one.

The OL played better but the reality is they used more of Clay and Egnew to block to aid the OL. Still, it worked and I'm not ready to complain about that...

"jim1 wrote:

How many times has Tannehill gotten pressure from the middle and stopped and gone down, just frozen? Granted the OL has had nearly historic problems in pass pro, but where's that former WR type athleticism? Where's the esapability? Rolling out while chased, side stepping in the pocket, I'll take any of it at this point. Why doesn't he run more often when plays break down, shake up the defense? I was expecting much more in that regard.

There are probably 4 quarterbacks in the league who even have the ability to get away from an inside lineman up the middle who is practically untouched.

"jim1 wrote:

How many times has Tannehill gotten pressure from the middle and stopped and gone down, just frozen? Granted the OL has had nearly historic problems in pass pro, but where's that former WR type athleticism? Where's the esapability? Rolling out while chased, side stepping in the pocket, I'll take any of it at this point. Why doesn't he run more often when plays break down, shake up the defense? I was expecting much more in that regard.

And how many times has that happened with pretty much the entire pocket collapsing. Tannehill has shown that if there is a pocket to manipulate he will. But many of his sacks the whole pocket his being bullrushed backwards. Rewatch that play. Richie wiffs badly on Atkins and he pretty much comes through untouched. Clabo is struggling with his man and elminates the ability to move right. His only option is to move left. However the ball is snapped at 13 seconds, and by 15 seconds Atkins is free and has a direct path to the QB and Ryan just hit the end of his dropback. By the time he plants in an effort to even do anything about Atkins, he's being hit. Ryan is wrapped up at 16 seconds. You're expecting a miracle on this play when if Richie hadn't blocked like a little ***** that sack may not happen.

Guy who stood out to me was Charles Clay.

Alen1 mentioned THill does not use the middle of the field effectively, to me, it is more he rarely throws there to begin with as we see in the clip.

Liked the designed rollouts, also think the middle of the field is a bank that THill can get some sweet scoring plays from.

Would like to see more slants, DefCords have reems of film on the outside stuff, switch it up and they will be screwed.

"finsincebirth wrote:

And how many times has that happened with pretty much the entire pocket collapsing. Tannehill has shown that if there is a pocket to manipulate he will. But many of his sacks the whole pocket his being bullrushed backwards. Rewatch that play. Richie wiffs badly on Atkins and he pretty much comes through untouched. Clabo is struggling with his man and elminates the ability to move right. His only option is to move left. However the ball is snapped at 13 seconds, and by 15 seconds Atkins is free and has a direct path to the QB and Ryan just hit the end of his dropback. By the time he plants in an effort to even do anything about Atkins, he's being hit. Ryan is wrapped up at 16 seconds. You're expecting a miracle on this play when if Richie hadn't blocked like a little ***** that sack may not happen.

What I've noticed is a tendency of Tannehill to freeze in that situation, not even try to use his speed to try to roll out of the pocket away from the rush. Someone mentioned only 4 QB's that could do that- off of the top of my head Romo, RGIII even with the substandard wheel this year, Luck, Newton, Vick when healthy, EJ manuel when healthy, Geno Smith, Rodgers, Roethlisberger can scramble out wide effectively, Pryor- that's a list made at first glance. I'm not saying that it's easy, just don;t freeze and try to roll out, escape the pressure. I missed one- Russell Wilson- he gets out of that situation imo.

"jim1 wrote:

How many times has Tannehill gotten pressure from the middle and stopped and gone down, just frozen? Granted the OL has had nearly historic problems in pass pro, but where's that former WR type athleticism? Where's the esapability? Rolling out while chased, side stepping in the pocket, I'll take any of it at this point. Why doesn't he run more often when plays break down, shake up the defense? I was expecting much more in that regard.

He's not that type of Qb..

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

There are probably 4 quarterbacks in the league who even have the ability to get away from an inside lineman up the middle who is practically untouched.

That's true and the sooner we all realize ours isn't one of them the better off we'll be...this offseason is about building an oline that is stout..main focus in evaluation needs to go there.

"djphinfan wrote:

That's true and the sooner we all realize ours isn't one of them the better off we'll be...this offseason is about building an oline that is stout..main focus in evaluation needs to go there.

Semi serious question Deej..do you think we are "soft"?

Here are my reasons:

-Kraken's sack to win...Bro I've studied him...he's never looked less in shape
-Initial contact..our guys go down easy, finding a Dolphins player driving through a tackle, or a defender sticking a driving an opponent into the ground, once again..rare

Watch THill go down, he's ragdolled

Gameday v Cinci thread..pointed out our guys were gassed in the 3rd qtr..to me it was obvious, and sure enough.

I'm not 100% on this, but am beginning to suspect much of what we've seen this year is a culmination of a lack of conditioning leading to that sort of metal armor body NFL athletes usually have during the season.

And THAT starts at the HC level and what he demands of his staff and his players.

Just want to hear your take

"jim1 wrote:

How many times has Tannehill gotten pressure from the middle and stopped and gone down, just frozen? Granted the OL has had nearly historic problems in pass pro, but where's that former WR type athleticism? Where's the esapability? Rolling out while chased, side stepping in the pocket, I'll take any of it at this point. Why doesn't he run more often when plays break down, shake up the defense? I was expecting much more in that regard.

Lol...dude..you realize you turn Hall of Fame QB Tom Brady into mush if you get pressure on him right up the middle.

"padre31 wrote:

Semi serious question Deej..do you think we are "soft"?

Here are my reasons:

-Kraken's sack to win...Bro I've studied him...he's never looked less in shape
-Initial contact..our guys go down easy, finding a Dolphins player driving through a tackle, or a defender sticking a driving an opponent into the ground, once again..rare

Watch THill go down, he's ragdolled

Gameday v Cinci thread..pointed out our guys were gassed in the 3rd qtr..to me it was obvious, and sure enough.

I'm not 100% on this, but am beginning to suspect much of what we've seen this year is a culmination of a lack of conditioning leading to that sort of metal armor body NFL athletes usually have during the season.

And THAT starts at the HC level and what he demands of his staff and his players.

Just want to hear your take

Dude....look at the league as a whole....we are on record setting pace for league wide injuries. I think football players as a whole...could be getting soft

OK...

That screen at :42 seconds....why we dont run that more often with both Lamar Miller and Thigpen...both of those players can make the first player miss. Then you run a bubble screen...thats the play NE ran all the time with Wes Welker....its like stealing. Why dont they run that more often.

"padre31 wrote:

Guy who stood out to me was Charles Clay.

Alen1 mentioned THill does not use the middle of the field effectively, to me, it is more he rarely throws there to begin with as we see in the clip.

Liked the designed rollouts, also think the middle of the field is a bank that THill can get some sweet scoring plays from.

Would like to see more slants, DefCords have reems of film on the outside stuff, switch it up and they will be screwed.

I voiced my concerns about the middle of the field as well but was shown some stats that he utilizes it at a normal level. Idk

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"maynard wrote:

I voiced my concerns about the middle of the field as well but was shown some stats that he utilizes it at a normal level. Idk

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Stats chase trends they do not predict them.

Drag routes, crossing routes, out and ins, stuff like this we rarely see.

Personally I think Tannehill has the balls to get it done, including the RZ area the staff seems mechanical to me, and does not see what they have in a lot of ways.

Would love to see a tonne of Holmgren/Favre "no more rocket balls please" moments

"vt_dolfan wrote:

OK...

That screen at :42 seconds....why we dont run that more often with both Lamar Miller and Thigpen...both of those players can make the first player miss. Then you run a bubble screen...thats the play NE ran all the time with Wes Welker....its like stealing. Why dont they run that more often.

We've run quite a bit of those WR screens, actually.