Every Tannehill Dropback at Buffalo

Sure, Sinth, field position was a big deal. However, my point, that you clearly didn't get, was that of the three sacks in the first half, he did NOT really have Miller open in the flats every time...or if he did, only one time was it realistic for him to get it out to him. I'm not saying Tannehill doesn't have blame, just saying, that when laying blame, I'm currently laying more blame on the oline for those sacks.

"Stringer Bell wrote:

3-3. They scored 30 points 4 out of their first 6 games however. IIRC, it was their defense that was bad initially. Their offense performance didn't really improve as the season progressed.

And Foles got his first start game 6. Vick was 2-4 as a starter and Foles was 8-2. In the same offense, and really an offense that should play to Vick's strengths. According to the stats Foles had a pretty horrible game in his second start which is probably why Vick got the start game 8 who also had a horrible game himself. Those two back to back games the Eagles combined for 10 points. Don't know if Vick got hurt again or not but Foles started every game after that and caught fire.

So we'll see. KC has the 32nd ranked defense right now according to DVOA, and we made our hay against bad defenses last season with a 7-1 record. Our only loss against a "bad" defense came against NE in Foxborough.

From the article:

"Tannehill has suffered from seven dropped passes already this season (only Joe Flacco has experienced more). He has lost 113 yards of passes due to drops (at a minimum – that only counts the yards in the air the ball traveled, not the potential yards after the catch the receiver lost by dropping the ball). That is more than any other passer in the league, including Flacco. If you add those plays into his official stats his passer rating jumps twenty points into the 90s. Sure, you could do that for every quarterback, but as we have already pointed out, Tannehill has suffered more than most from his receivers not helping him out."

Pretty telling.

"Finatik wrote:

From the article:

"Tannehill has suffered from seven dropped passes already this season (only Joe Flacco has experienced more). He has lost 113 yards of passes due to drops (at a minimum – that only counts the yards in the air the ball traveled, not the potential yards after the catch the receiver lost by dropping the ball). That is more than any other passer in the league, including Flacco. If you add those plays into his official stats his passer rating jumps twenty points into the 90s. Sure, you could do that for every quarterback, but as we have already pointed out, Tannehill has suffered more than most from his receivers not helping him out."

Pretty telling.

Meh. The stats don't lie. If you keep throwing to a guy that can't catch then that's on you, either work it out or throw it to somebody else. And if you want to start playing that game last season he also led the league in dropped INTs.

"roy_miami wrote:

Meh. The stats don't lie. If you keep throwing to a guy that can't catch then that's on you, either work it out or throw it to somebody else. And if you want to start playing that game last season he also led the league in dropped INTs.

Funny thing tho, Roy...those dropped passes were not just from one guy....

"roy_miami wrote:

Meh. The stats don't lie. If you keep throwing to a guy that can't catch then that's on you, either work it out or throw it to somebody else. And if you want to start playing that game last season he also led the league in dropped INTs.

Funny thing tho, Roy...those dropped passes were not just from one guy....

And I might add that stats DO sometimes not tell the whole or the right story....

Feel a lot better after watching the video. Definitely had a better day overall than I thought. The passes to Wallace and Gibson were really bad though.

"Alex44 wrote:

Feel a lot better after watching the video. Definitely had a better day overall than I thought. The passes to Wallace and Gibson were really bad though.

The problem is that those are high-impact plays that are missed, as was the middle screen to Miller that should've been lofted higher.

Opportunities like those are rare, and if you don't capitalize on them, you miss out on your opportunity to win the game or remain competitive in it. Not all plays are created equal.

"Dolphans Unite! wrote:

The problem is that those are high-impact plays that are missed, as was the middle screen to Miller that should've been lofted higher.

Opportunities like those are rare, and if you don't capitalize on them, you miss out on your opportunity to win the game or remain competitive in it. Not all plays are created equal.

True, I don't think the screen was so terrible actually. However sometimes those plays will be missed. He made enough plays for me to be encouraged even if some were left on the field.

I don't agree about the pass to Miller. That hit him right in the chest. That's all on him.

Also semantics but it's not a screen, just a little seam route from the backfield. Unless we're not talking about the same play.

"Mainge wrote:

I don't agree about the pass to Miller. That hit him right in the chest. That's all on him.

I'm talking about the middle screen in the second half that Manny Lawson tipped. Notice the open field and the blocking out in front.

People complain about the offensive line, but when the offensive coordinator makes a call that exploits the defensive pressure, and it's lined up to produce a touchdown, the players have to capitalize on it. You can't complain about the offensive line, and then when the OC dials up a play that enables the QB to exploit that pressure and he blows it, not blame the QB. The guy has to have some accountability.

"Dolphans Unite! wrote:

I'm talking about the middle screen in the second half that Manny Lawson tipped. Notice the open field and the blocking out in front.

People complain about the offensive line, but when the offensive coordinator makes a call that exploits the defensive pressure, and it's lined up to produce a touchdown, the players have to capitalize on it. You can't complain about the offensive line, and then when the OC dials up a play that enables the QB to exploit that pressure and he blows it, not blame the QB. The guy has to have some accountability.

Oh yeah, I missed that one. Good call.

When the offensive line is sucking all game, it creates a scenario where the QB almost has no room for error on the few times they do their job, is what you're saying. So, you want to blame Tannehill HEAVILY when he messes up in the rare times that the OL blocks, but kind of ignore the 90% of the game where they were terrible. I'm sorry, but you're asking the QB to pay on the razor's edge, and that is not fair. It only sucks so much when he misses on that because he has so few opportunities like that. If the OL did their job better, perhaps we'd see Tannehill connecting on a lot of those plays. Some of you have a seriously weird viewpoint on this subject.

It has been said; a good pass to a bad player is still a bad pass. Why? Because he won't do anything with it.

For me, to get this offense moving, we need to get the ball to Hartline more frequently than we currently are. He helps move the chains and he needs to have a few more opportunities for this offense to work IMHO. He's been Tanehill's security blanket until now; we need to get that going again.

"SICK wrote:

If Tannehill played like Luck did at the end of the MNF game, there would be a petition from emotional Dolfans asking for Moore to take not only the starting job, but the rights to their first born child as well.

People need to calm the Eff down.

Honestly, I think this is the coaching staffs fault for not having RT and the offense play more in the preseason. Need to gel with this new timing offense.

I was not impressed with the game plan or Lazor's adjustments. I believe he does deserve a significant amount of blame for this performance. I am glad he was honest about the short coming. I am still very excited to have him as the OC, but I believe he was correct in his self evaluation

"vt_dolfan wrote:

It would be amazing if we could sometime get a every drop video of another QB to compare Tannehill to. I think alot of the problem .is when you study something so closely as most do of Tannehill..you see every flaw like its highlighted. Everyone says his throws are off target..but are they any more off target then any other qb in the league? You cant look at Tannehill in a void...

How many Fng Qbs could put the ball running where Tannehill did in the air 50 yards ...

I still believe he needs better accuracy, but you make a good point.

"roy_miami wrote:

Meh. The stats don't lie. If you keep throwing to a guy that can't catch then that's on you, either work it out or throw it to somebody else. And if you want to start playing that game last season he also led the league in dropped INTs.

Stats frequently lie especially with a QB. I disagree completely about not throwing the ball to a receiver that drops it. A receiver that drops too many balls being on the field is the responsibility of the OC.

"Conuficus wrote:

It has been said; a good pass to a bad player is still a bad pass. Why? Because he won't do anything with it.

For me, to get this offense moving, we need to get the ball to Hartline more frequently than we currently are. He helps move the chains and he needs to have a few more opportunities for this offense to work IMHO. He's been Tanehill's security blanket until now; we need to get that going again.

I respectfully disagree.

"Mainge wrote:

I don't agree about the pass to Miller. That hit him right in the chest. That's all on him.

Also semantics but it's not a screen, just a little seam route from the backfield. Unless we're not talking about the same play.

Amen!

Watching that video should make you feel a little better about Tannehill. I liked him using his legs. Needs to happen more. Part of the problem was how quickly Buffalo swarmed on the short stuff and the lack of a THREAT of the run was a killer. If Miami could have kept Buffalo honest with the run, could have been better. We'll see what this week brings. But putting the ball in the air 40+ times is not a recipe to win....with ANY QB

"MAFishFan wrote:

Watching that video should make you feel a little better about Tannehill.

And it likely will, because each dropback is divorced from the surrounding context. Instead of watching the game live, with the importance of each play in relation to the outcome in full view and in full consideration, you're watching the game piecemeal.

Once again, it's a mistake to evaluate the play of a player without considering the importance of the plays in which he's involved. Missing a TD pass down the field when the team is still in the game and is attempting a comeback, is a different critter from missing a TD when the team is up by three touchdowns in fourth quarter garbage time.

Not all plays are created equal, and when you review film piecemeal, divorced from the context of the game, it makes it appear they are.

I believe I counted four tips at the Los, and he has to be the worst screen pass thrower in the league, sometimes in the screen game the player is the perfect distance where you cannot throw a line drive, you must be able to loft the football at a certain trajectory, he is completely uncomfortable with the screen game and it's all about how he doesn't know how to adjust his arm slot and his basic mechanics of throwing does not fit with what you have to do with your arm to be a successful screen thrower...you've got to be able to extend from your shoulder to your fingertips and letting the ball release of those fingertips , if you notice he keeps the ball very close to his body at release, pushes it kind of, sign that he is not confident in his touch.

"Dolphans Unite! wrote:

And it likely will, because each dropback is divorced from the surrounding context. Instead of watching the game live, with the importance of each play in relation to the outcome in full view and in full consideration, you're watching the game piecemeal.

Once again, it's a mistake to evaluate the play of a player without considering the importance of the plays in which he's involved. Missing a TD pass down the field when the team is still in the game and is attempting a comeback, is a different critter from missing a TD when the team is up by three touchdowns in fourth quarter garbage time.

Not all plays are created equal, and when you review film piecemeal, divorced from the context of the game, it makes it appear they are.

Viewing every pass in rapid succession allows patterns and trends to be easily identified. Watching a 30 minute game over the course of three hours makes that more difficult without incredible attention to detail and memory. When you're emotionally invested in the outcome of every play, that's easier said than done. And the Dolphins weren't out of it until 9 minutes or so left in the 4th quarter.

The three most notable issues with our passing offense vs. Buffalo (in order)

1. Bills defense won the battle at the LOS and consistently applied pressure. Very few passing attempts were met with a clean pocket. in fact, the majority of passing attempts were met with a dirty pocket. The eyeball test and stats are in agreement there. The Bills did to us what we did to Brady, basically.
2. The Bills secondary dominated in coverage. Almost no separation from our WR's outside of underneath crossing routes vs. Zone. Also, dropped passes were an issue at critical moments.
3. Tannehill made a few poor throws. The Brandon Gibson misfire on 3rd down while he was open on a skinny post was the worst pass of the game. I thought he played better than week one, despite far more adversity.

For the most part, the Bill's defense just whopped our asses. That defense is for real. They're quick, powerful, and disciplined.

"Clark Kent wrote:

Viewing every pass in rapid succession allows patterns and trends to be easily identified. Watching a 30 minute game over the course of three hours makes that more difficult without incredible attention to detail and memory. When you're emotionally invested in the outcome of every play, that's easier said than done. And the Dolphins weren't out of it until 9 minutes or so left in the 4th quarter.

The three most notable issues with our passing offense vs. Buffalo (in order)

1. Bills defense won the battle at the LOS and consistently applied pressure. Very few passing attempts were met with a clean pocket. in fact, the majority of passing attempts were met with a dirty pocket. The eyeball test and stats are in agreement there. The Bills did to us what we did to Brady, basically.
2. The Bills secondary dominated in coverage. Almost no separation from our WR's outside of underneath crossing routes vs. Zone. Also, dropped passes were an issue at critical moments.
3. Tannehill made a few poor throws. The Brandon Gibson misfire on 3rd down while he was open on a skinny post was the worst pass of the game. I thought he played better than week one, despite far more adversity.

For the most part, the Bill's defense just whopped our asses. That defense is for real. They're quick, powerful, and disciplined.

And that may be true, and if so, where are we? Do we still need "more weapons"? Is the offensive line still a terrible problem? Is the offensive coordinator inept, as has been postulated in the past? Why wasn't the team more competitive against a good defense?

Buffalo's defense, while good, is going to get beaten soundly at some point this year, and if it isn't because they've played poorly, what will that team have that we don't?

Great job Mainge! Thanks for posting this. I give alot of credit to the Bills defense, especially how they mixed up their blitzes. When they wanted to pressure the QB they did. Hopefully the o-line will improve as they get more time together, and getting Pouncey back should help. Tannehill seems to do better the less time he has to find a receiver, and there were some weird looking drops by the backs & receivers. Even on the replay it was hard to tell if Miller and (I think) Hartline were trying to catch a bad pass or just didn't position themselves well. I still think Tannehill underthrows the deep ball too much, and throws behind too many receivers. New offense, working out the kinks? We'll see. Looking for a good game at home against KC.