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Every Tannehill Dropback vs Oakland

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Mainge, Oct 2, 2014.

  1. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

    Dec 11, 2007
    If Clay got a block, Wallace might have scored on that 1st and 20 wide receiver screen.
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  2. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Wow was fun watching him throw. His footwork has gotten soooo much better.
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  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Dec 20, 2007
    Dallas Thomas played pretty good..
  4. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Wont shed a tear if he never steps back on the line this year.
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Dec 20, 2007
    Well, smith and Pouncey will be back next week so we should be real good on the run, but I'm not sure smith is a better pass protector than Thomas, or let's say more potential.
  6. 77FinFan

    77FinFan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Mar 10, 2013
    Buckeye Land
    Hartline seemed to run harder w/ the ball than I have seen in the past. Maybe this hardnose thing is catching on.

    Tanny sure looked good and avoided some negative plays. 2nd or 3rd and reasonable sure is nice.
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  7. MAFishFan

    MAFishFan Team Tannehill

    Sep 20, 2011
    Why did it take 4 weeks to unleash that style of offense? That's how it should be every week. Granted it was the Raiders, but I want to see that tempo every week.
  8. NolePhin15

    NolePhin15 Well-Known Member

    Dec 15, 2010
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  9. Alex13

    Alex13 Welcome to the NEW Miami Club Member

    Dec 21, 2007
    because this is not madden, a complete new offense with terminology and route concepts takes time to master
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  10. keithjackson

    keithjackson Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Dec 1, 2007
    We are averaging 24 points a game and have executed more offensive plays than any other team in the NFL, so the signs of progression are there. Who knows, we might just be 13 drops away from leading the league in various other fabulous categories. Perfect execution takes repetition and familiarity, and as we get that under our belt hopefully Week Four will look like only the beginning.
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  11. Mexphin

    Mexphin Well-Known Member

    May 6, 2012
    Ensenada, Mexico
    I could be wrong but I think the eagles offense was not so good the first 4 or 5 weeks of the last season, hopefully this is the case with the dolphins.
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  12. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

    Nov 27, 2008
    Interesting observation

    Seems as if there was very little thought required from Tannehill in the plays. Tannehill knew where the pass was going and got it there. Most of the plays were quick 2-4 seconds. the plays that took longer were incomplete or ending up in Tannehill running. Almost felt like they were scripted JMO
  13. Brasfin

    Brasfin Well-Known Member

    Apr 27, 2013
    Scripted? Of course they were scripted...all plays are scripted, especially in a timing based offense such as this one. The Raiders just made it easier for Tannehill to make the right decisions and throw the ball on time.
  14. Limbo

    Limbo Mad Stillz

    Mar 21, 2013
    Honestly I don't like him running that much, especially with a lead. His awareness carrying the ball is just okay and that worries me. I just don't think it's worth it. Fingers crossed he doesn't get lit up.

    Biggest plus to me was the urgency of his footwork. It was choppier in a good way, as opposed to the lazy gliding he tends to fall into. Here his feet were active and urgent getting to his spots and making reads. That's the foundation of a strong season of QB play. (Footwork is what's dooming Nick Foles right now, imo.). Very happy to see his pace increase and with a bit of twitch to it.
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  15. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Nov 10, 2010
    I think that had a lot to do with the simplistic man coverage the Raiders like to run.
  16. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

    Nov 27, 2007
    new york ciity
    Footwork isn't dooming nick foles' play. Its the fact he has three starting offensive linemen out with injuries. Look at mccoy's numbers. In one month, when all the linemen return, you will see the eagles offense hum again
  17. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Im actually glad the Eagles offense is struggling a bit..same with NEs. It shows that an offense is a sum of parts...

    How many have watched Brazil..or Portugal even Spain play soccer?..Everything is fluid..one touch passes to an open space without looking...a striker making a run and getting the ball on his feet..that comes from years of playing together..knowing where the other is..trusting where the other player is. RT and his offense need plays. All the sudden the timing is right..all the sudden Tannehill knows how a reciever adjusts when bumped at the line. You can run these plays over and over in practice..but its not game speed. We have far fewer practices in shells...

    Looking back I think the biggest mistake was not getting the starters more reps in pre season..but then you risk injuries

    I think the Phins need to go back to scrimmage weeks with Tenn and Tampa like they used to. You gotta get the reps in against another teams defense.
  18. Phinastic

    Phinastic Active Member

    Jan 3, 2012
    So, I went through that and tallied up all the throws that were on target (hit the receivers in the numbers or in stride when it needed to be), and the throws that were off target. I didn't spare any judgement. If he was hurried and threw a bad pass, I still counted it as a bad pass. The only ones I didn't count were ones that were thrown away. I came up with 22 on target, 7 off target. I think that's pretty good. If I didn't count the ones that he was hurried on the bad number would drop by two or three.

    Also, we throw a lot of screen passes.
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  19. Brasfin

    Brasfin Well-Known Member

    Apr 27, 2013
    Just did the same thing but divided the inaccurate passes into two categories. I also didn't spare judgement in regards to the pressure...I focused mostly on the accuracy of his passes and the WR's...

    - Clearly off target / mostly Tannehill's fault, as opposed to the WRs:

    1) Overthrow to Hartline
    2) Pass slightly behind Gibson in the middle, drops
    3) Pass off target to Clay in the flat (with defender in his face)
    4) Overthrow to Thomas in the flat (pressured up middle and edges, hit right after pass)

    -Throw away/ Accurate but good play by defense / could have been WR's fault / inconclusive:

    1) Pressured up middle, scrambles, throw away
    2) Jump ball to Clay in the endzone, looked like a PBU
    3) Dart to Hartline in the back of the endzone, dropped
    4) Pass behind Sims (might be on Sims.. can't tell whether he was supposed to continue running or to sit), tipped and intercepted.
    5) Play-action, scrambled, screen pass to Gibson, lacked some touch, dropped.
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  20. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member


    Teams usually only script the first 15 plays or so ...not sure if its both halves or just first halves.
  21. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

    Nov 25, 2007
    New Hampshire
    I LOVE seeing Wallace put his shoulder down, and truck guys. He did it on the TD, and he did it on at least one other play. Hartline got some YAC on a couple plays?? And I like that we were actually able to execute screen plays.
  22. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

    Dec 5, 2007
    clearwater, fl
    Ryan looked like he trusted the plays more. He was doing everything a fraction of a second faster, which is 90% of his issues IMO
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  23. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Club Member

    Dec 1, 2007
    The play at 3:50 in the video, the screen TD to Daniel Thomas... was such a good play design.

    It was a fantastic counter on that same trips formation we ran the WR screens on. Oakland finally adjusted to that trips look, bringing a 3rd defender over to the left side of the offense, and we countered with a screen to the right as that side of the field was left pretty bare at that point. And then that counter made them hesitant to bring a defender over later in the game when we ran that trips play... allowing us to still get that 3v2 trips screen action (the 4:00 mark of the video).

    Also, the TD to Sims was also a fantastic counter off of the TD play we ran for Lamar earlier in the game. Similar look (subbed out a WR for a TE this time), but motioned a receiver in to crash down block on the DE, and ran the same pull blocking scheme with the OL as the toss play, faked the toss to the left... but ran a bootleg to attack the opposite side of the defense again.

    Some fantastic play design... having some plays set up counter plays later in the game.
  24. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

    Dec 1, 2007
    Tannehill had some moments of brilliance in this game. I don't think the Daniel Thomas screen was one of them. Not that it was bad. Just as FinNasty said that was a product of a combination of play-calling and the Raiders calling defense like a high school team that did zero advance scouting. However that Dion Sims throw was definitely one of those moments of brilliance. So too was the Hartline conversion on 3rd & 12, which was perfect example of the kind of thing Tannehill does really well that not every kid coming out of college can do.
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  25. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Club Member

    Dec 1, 2007
    Just edited this, realizing when I added a part to this post I added it to the wrong paragraph. This should make more sense.. lol
  26. MikeHoncho

    MikeHoncho -=| Censored |=- Club Member

    Nov 13, 2009
    Really liked the decision-making. Fantastic performance to watch.
  27. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Dec 19, 2007
    Birmingham, AL
    Some really nice throws. And a great offensive design, imo.

    That said, from my count, right at 75% of the throws were 5 yards or under. Part of that was the design, of course, but RT is going to have to make more downfield throws or defenses will stop that. He's going to have to start connecting on throws 20 yards downfield if the offense is going to be consistently good. That will be the real test.

    At the least, this offense gives RT some confidence and hopefully that will feed over into deep throws.
  28. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    If that's the play I am thinking of, Clay seemed decently (not ideally) positioned between the defender and the path Wallace was 'supposed to' take. Then Wallace jumped inside and the LB had a path to beat Clay's block.

    I think that was 1/2 on Clay and 1/2 on Wallace.
  29. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    90% of the game is half mental.
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  30. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Let's see it against a top-ten defense and I'll be on board with this!
  31. Brasfin

    Brasfin Well-Known Member

    Apr 27, 2013
    Misunderstood then, I thought he meant each individual play was scripted, as in "rehearsed" as opposed to improvised.
  32. Dolphans Unite!

    Dolphans Unite! Banned

    Aug 17, 2014
    And that's not that great a thing:

  33. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Oh..ok..got ya
  34. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

    Dec 11, 2007
    I think you are thinking of the touchdown.

    The play I am thinking of, both Sims and Clay doubleteamed the defender in front of Sims. I don't know if Sims was supposed to cross block or if Clay was supposed to block the deeper corner, however if either one would have tried to block, the play would have gotten at least 5 more yards, if they actually blocked, it could have been a touchdown.
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  35. Den54

    Den54 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Nov 23, 2007
    I was in utter disbelief that Sims made that TD catch. The throw was incredible as well.
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