Look, it's just about all these guys have to negotiate over with the new CBA. The agent wants him to get the offset language, not for what it does for the Rookie, but for what it does for the agent, in the future.

Him being the #3 overall, it's likely Jeffy will have to buckle on that issue, naturally depending on where the others slotted around him are...

EDIT: BTW, Florio's main concern is hits on his site. He is known for having certain hotbuttons that he HAS to bring out, whether they are really of any consequence or not. The offset language is one of them...

 

Eh, whatever, over the years I've sort of learned not to get to concerned of the GM stuff like this.

 

IIRC, last year two or three in the top ten did not have the offset language, including Tanny. But I think there is a big difference between #8 and #3 ?? I could be wrong, but I think they end up buckling if that is only holdup...

 

Goes without saying it's going to be a lot tougher to get a #3 overall pick to agree to this than it was the #8 overall pick. And it WAS difficult to get the #8 overall pick to agree to this. I believe the battle resulted in one of only two training camp holdouts out of the enitre rookie class, not to mention that embarrassing scene on Hard Knocks where Dawn Aponte is telling Ireland and Philbin that with things as they stand we're going to allow Ryan Tannehill to re-enter the 2013 NFL Draft.

 

Where do you stand on this topic, it seems that you don't believe in the tactic?

 

I believe it's not worth fighting over, in the least. I believe the scenario in which the offset language could come into play is far fetched to begin with, and the amount of financial gain for the team from having the offset language present in the contract in that far fetched scenario is miniscule. Remember, if we're talking about half a million dollars, consider what that half a million dollars means to a team that has a $120 million pay roll PER YEAR. Now consider what that half a million dollars means to a player that may, in this scenario (his being a bust) make somewhere between $10 and $15 million over the FULL LIFE of his NFL career. You're not even comparing $500k to $120 million versus $15 million, because the timelines don't match. Imagine this bust only plays in the NFL for 5 years, which constitutes the 4 year rookie deal plus 1 year elsewhere. He'll have made $10 to $15 million over that time period. The Dolphins will have paid out in excess of $600 million in pay roll during the period. In other words, the potential money being argued over between the team and the player is worth literally like 50x more to the player than to the team.

Given that cost/benefit, I see absolutely no reason whatsoever for any NFL team to stage a fight over this offset issue. It's a miniscule amount of money in a far-fetched situation, and both the player and the agent have a LOT more incentive than you do to actually care about it. So why the hell are you bothering? Just go with precedent. If top 10 picks aren't getting offset language then fine, no offset language. The NFL has already busted down top ten pick rookie wages to a fraction of what they used to be. They're sitting on a horde of jewels and now they're clawing and scraping for pennies. The essence of greed.

 

Here is the nugget in the article I found interesting:

So if the agent for a highly prized FA didn't push for it, does this mean it is becoming less of an issue?

 

From what I understand, offset language being inserted in veteran contracts has been common practice for quite a while. But it's a complicated issue because veteran contracts aren't fully guaranteed anyway (generally speaking).

What is at issue with the rookie contract is that with top level 1st round picks, the entire contract is being guaranteed since it's now a fraction of what it used to be before the latest CBA. If before a guy was getting $70 million over 5 years, now he's getting $25 million over 5 years, and in exchange for that drastic reduction in fortune the entire contract is guaranteed. This means that if you cut the guy before his 4th year and his 4th year salary is about $3 million, you still owe him the $3 million. Offset language is trying to play with that $3 million by reducing it by whatever amount he may make with another team. It's just a nifty device aimed at lowering the value of the contract even further than the new CBA has already lowered.

But in a veteran contract that last year of salary probably isn't guaranteed anyway, so the offset language doesn't really matter. So talking about offseat language with respect to veteran contracts is kind of a red herring. It's an empty argument aimed at pressuring the rookies to give up even more than they've already given up in the latest CBA.

 

PFT: Dolphins insistence on offset language for top-10 rookies is expected to spread to Eagles, maybe to Browns

Dolphins setting trends and leading the pack.

 

#extendireland

 

Not that this is remotely comparable, but I believe D.J. Fluker (Chargers) signed his rookie contract with offset language attached today.

 

So you agree that this language is so important that you would be willing to stand up for it, and allow your top 10 pick to renter the draft?

We never did have the discussion on what if, what if Ryan believed in the opposite?, is it a good idea to be that set in stone on something where it becomes a non negotiable stipulation??

This seems to me like it might be an ethics issue no?

 

No offsets for Luke Joeckel, Jags just announced he signed.

 

So, the final year of his rookie contract is 3 million. He signs with another team for 1.5 million, and the offset language says that Miami only has to pay him 1.5 million to have his total pay be the 3 million of his final year. He's still getting the 3 million it's just split between two teams.

 

Aponte is gonna piss me off if she can't come out and make a statement on why the hell it's so important for her to be so firm in the rule, if your gonna fu&$ with our players like that you be have a strong ethical conviction as to why?

 

Is that accurate?

 

I'm sure it's high on her priority list to explain herself to you...

 

yeah well if Jordan's people ain't having it I've already seen how stubborn she is on the subject, so we better hope that Jordan's people will cave, or somebody will have some splaining to do.

 

And it likely won't be the FO.

If they didn't cave on Tannehill they def won't cave w Jordan.

 

From what I understand of the offset language it is.

 

that's my point, Grid obviously forget the chick runs the show.

 

I see..basically their trying to hedge their bet....sometimes you gotta take the hit....playin fu&$in games could result in stunting the rookies growth so right there your wasting money.

 

"The Chick"... so if she had nuts you wouldnt have a problem with it.

That 'chick' is a ****ing workhorse for this team and we are lucky to have her. Knock off the sexist crap and so some respect. If she was a man you wouldn't presume to know better than her, but she was born with girl parts so she must not understand the game like MANLY MEN, right?

 

Lol...Chick..Dude, it's all the same to me...if it was a guy who would of let Ryan Tannehill reenter the draft I would have the same frustration,..so piss off with your labeling BS.

 

Yea, you frustrated sexist :lol:

 

I'm on the record giving her props on many occasions, I'm also on the record saying what happened last camp with Tannehill was fu&$in BS, she, he, it, was gonna let that kid go back in the freakin draft, can we think about that for a second???, if that doesn't piss you off then I don't know what to tell ya, Ireland nor Philbin had any control, had no veto power over it, and it was all plain to see.

How do you call a girl a dick..? Cause either gender is one if offset language made Tannehill reenter.

 

Do you guys really think they would have let their 1st round pick reenter the draft??? No way. When did that ever happen in the last decade or two. What kind of bad press would that cause in a year they are trying to revamp their image. Come on...

IMHO that whole "reenter the draft" was never meant to be serious. She was either kind of sarcastic or it was just a Hard Knocks thing. Maybe even scripted to create a little drama on the show.
And it worked or we would not have this discussion... :shifty:

 

Wow.

 

I think it's a pretty simple explanation...she's looking at the 'what if' scenario....If the guy doesn't make it and we end up cutting him not only does that affect the actual cash outflow for the team, which most of us fans could care less about, but it also affects cap at that time... It's still the only 'negotiating' to be done and if they choose to be the leader in this, great. It's in Jordan's best interest, since he's missed all the OTA and minicamps due to the NCAA rule and his injury to be in camp on time anyway. On the other hand, you do expect the #3 overall pick to not have to worry about the offset come his 5th year...

 

Yeah, gotta agree with most here, Deej....that was a Hard Knocks ploy, just for ratings. I didn't see that has a serious threat, just negotiating thru Hard Knocks...

 

Luke Joeckel signed today without the language in, let's see where this goes.

 

For Someone To insinuate I wouldn't be pissed about Jordan having to re'enter the draft if it was a guy in the role, is talking out their ***, or just wanting to hear themselves talk.

 

I think you have a responsibility and commitment to a player when you decide to take him in the draft, if your wanting to cut him in the last year of his rookie deal it means you fu&$ed up on the initial evaluation...take the hit.

 

I sure didnt get that impression larry when I watched and rewatched the show, Philbin and Ireland look a bit hopeless in those moments..And if true, what the hell does that mean?, what the hell is goin on?

I'm not saying I know, I'm just going by what it looked like and the whole principle of saying, "yup, were gonna let him re'enter the draft".... I can't tell ya how ridiculous it sounds.

 

You're overreacting a touch.

It was a ploy. There'd be no way in hell they'd let Tanny go back to the draft because fo something so small. Remember, the show was filmed and aired in less than a week. If there was a protracted holdout into the next week, they would have been on TV playing hardball. That's all that was and nothing more. Let's not forget, he signed pretty quick after that anyway. So really no one held out too long and no one was sent back to the draft.

 

so Philbins and Ireland demonstrative reactions was acting?

 

I don't buy it. Not their style. Aponte has autonomy in certain aspects, and that is very very encouraging to me.

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so you don't think I'm overreacting, it looked like a real situation yes?