With Richie Incognito you know what to expect - a big physical linemen with an attitude. No one discovered that better than Lionel Dotson on a first hand basis. After several reps of playing against each other Incognito wrestled Dotson to the turf in a personal war of words and fists. Although the scuffle was quickly broken up the message was clear. This years OL is not going to tolerate any funny business. Let the word go forth to defensive linemen everywhere. This will be the biggest, nastiest and most physical OL in the league. (and I just love it!)
It seems enviable. No one needs another Bryan Cox issue. That's the awful downside of being a tough guy and Cox was a tough guy. If Incognito can keep himself in check we will gain much in the respect dept. This is truly a double edged sword.
I'm calling it now...Icongnito will pull and knock some linebacker on his ***, springing Ricky/Ronnie into the second level for nice sized runs.
Incognito is not just a tough guy IMO. He's an A-hole. He's got some wild temper issues, going back to his college days.
As long as he doesn't hold/clip anyone or allow pressure, he's alright with me. He's the guy who will take some unlucky LB by his dreads and pound on his head.
Ok we are what 8 days into camp and this guy has already been in 3 "fights". I really like the fire and enthusiasm, but if this isn't throwing warning flags up in your mind, you're just not thinking. He has a history of this type of behavior on the field and it costing his team. Don't get me wrong I like Icognito and I am not banging on him but in addition to his "enthusiasm" he has to play smart too.
Whens the season start hurry up PAALEASSSE????? Just hope the positive yards outway the penalty yards.
This is an angry guy on the field. But this stuff happens. You're practicing against the same guys every day and there's no break. No game where you beat on another group of guys. It gets redundant and guys get itchy. It's certainly noteworthy that it's the same guy every time. But I'm not ready to label it just yet.
You have to think though if this guy is doing this crap to his team member, what the hell is he going to do against guys he doesn't have to share a locker room with?? I'm completely fine with with an O-Lineman playing physical, but the fighting and everything just shows that he has no control.
Angry guys are alright by me. Cszonka played more angry than anyone this side of Dick Butkus and he great. As long as Richie Rich doesn't lose his head he'll be alright.
One fight means nothing. I doubt you've played football if you think other wise. In high school I got into plenty of fights in practice and never once in a game
I understand what you're saying. And not to be a wise guy, but we're not talking about you. We're talking about Incognito and his attitude/temper. He's already proven in his past that he's willing to get penalties during a game and cost his team. We'll just have to wait and see if he can do more good than he can do bad.
Perhaps, it's part of the plan where Sparano wants a guy to rile up the rest of the OL, which consists of bunch of nice guys. Does anyone know if Incognito's penalties were unprovoked or did they occurred against a DL that was constantly holding or attacking OLs knees?
Skirmishes all around the league. Just read Darnell Dockett from the Cardinals has been in 4 already. His coach, Wizenhunt seems to love it as long as no one gets injured. Hot weather all over the map this year. Dockett made all pro by being a bad azzz.
As I think I have said, my neighbor is a big Rams fan. He has all the games taped. Incognito and Dockett are almost as good watching as Ali and Frazier fights. Most problems I saw was Incognito gets to the second level a lot and fast and DBs and LBers take offense that an Olineman is out there pounding on them. Unforetunately, they take a swipe at him and he swipes back and as usual, the ref only sees the guy swiping back. Sure its not all like that. Let them get their agression out now. Camp is far worse then any game they play in.
How about losing your cool more than once, or twice, or three times... on and off the field. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3729506 http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/story/?id=252907&lid=sublink01&lpos=headlines_nfl http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3649168 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4755245 http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2007/10/08/richie-incognito-apparently-tries-to-hurt-people/ http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2004-09-01-roundup_x.htm http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/ncaa/09/28/bc.fbc.incognito.oregon.ap/ Nebraska, Oregon, the Rams and the Bills did not all get rid of a guy who everyone agrees has talent and ability without a lot of good reasons.
I was there today and calling it a fight seems like a stretch to me. A couple of pushes and shouting but I wouldn't call it a fight.
hmm, after his first fight in camp i got criticized by another poster for saying that he could cause us uneccesary penalties this season....seems the trend is continuing. I honestly really hope its just a practice thing with him this season but im not sure that may be the case.
I hear you , but he is our tough guy a-hole and that isn't necessarily a bad thing . He has to temper that, and the hope is Coach can facilitate that , and channel that aggression positively. Fine line , but the upside is appealing and I am wanting to see where this goes before easily falling into it is what it was mode.
THAT IS THE BEST PICTURE EVER!!!! Can I have it pleases and than yous? OH and back to the thread, where was Mr Incognito (to you mooks) when Rodney the dirtiest MFer in the NFL was playing us twice a yr. Him and his buddy Seymore Butts. Woulda lovred an azzkicker like that on the team then. Closest we got to that now is Ronnie Brown, calling out DBs who take cheap shots.
In high school me and my center used to absolutely hate each other in practice. We would go out of our way to cheap shot each other. But when we won our games we probably were the first 2 to high five each other. We were that intense during practice. And it definitely carried over to the game on Friday Nights. In the NFL these guys are together all the time. There isn't any breaks. They eat, sleep, watch films, team meetings and two-a-days together. Not too mention that it's hotter than 2 rats f**king in a wool sock out there. 1000 coaches hollering and screaming all the time. I couldn't imagine my head coach times 25. I love the intensity and will expect great things from those guys on game day.
Yeah, he is our A-hole and we do need to control him but I'm not counting on it. He's tough to control because he's nuts. I'm fairly sure that over the last six to eight years, coaches have tried to control him and he went out of whack. He's a nut case, unfortunately.
I'm interested in seeing who the starting guards will be: 1) will they give rookie (Jerry) a shot? looks like everything up until now indicates it 2) will Incognito or Thomas win out & what will be the configuration left & right. 3) need to make a initial determination soon. 4) long-jerry-grove-incognito-carey? or long-incognito-grove-thomas-carey? or whatever??? 5) the offensive line needs time to learn coverage & get into sync as a unit
I get that , really , and do have the same concerns you and others do . Maybe to a less of an extent though. Sometimes "spirited, independent" children , players need the right parent or coach. If they believe in the bond strong enough , there can be the positive change that takes those attributes from a minus to a plus. I am not saying it will automatically happen , however I do emphatically believe Tony Sparano has a better connection with him than previous co aches. Players with that type of energy can do an awful lot of great things if they know 100% that their coach is behind them 1000% . There becomes a need to please that overides some, many of prior negatives. Now I don't know if Incognito has genuine medical , psychological challenges , but from how Sparano is enamoured with him and how players want to follow Coach I want to see how this unfolds. As mentioned , Ron Heller was a NASTY SOB , pure nasty , and he was an overall plus for Miami imo , that is what I envision and am crossing my fingers for.
I'm hoping he can change his ways, but you really have to wonder / worry about a guy that teams with the talent pool of the Rams and Bills decided they were better off without.
Great post, exactly what worries me about the guy. I like the nasty aspect, but have no desire to see good drives killed by stupid penalties. Tony Sparano won't put up with that, if it happens Incognito will be benched in a New York second.
