Fins are above avg in everything except passing offense..

How exactly does a defense allow more/less plays? How is that not a function of yards/play?

 

If you're looking for an explanation as to why the Dolphins defense can be so good, yet the Dolphins give up so many points - you can look to their opponents starting field position. On average, Miami's opponents have started their drives on the 31 yard line, which is 28th in the NFL.

 

Here's an easy way to think about it: Our passing offense (Tannehill) is 29th at 5.5 NY/A. Regardless of how many plays or first downs they get that is not a good stat and over the long haul you aren't going to win many games. Our passing defense is the opposite.

 

i was having this conversation last week, this stat seems to be the one that would give you the best perspective as to how good your defense goes, as far as stats go that is..its yards per play.

 

Like say a defense was giving up 4.5 yards a play...but averaged 66 plays a game. They would be giving up around 300 yards per game. Would they really be better than a team giving up 12 yards a play, averaging 25 defensive plays a game? Kinda of an extreme example, probably.

 

Yes, they would be better. How can a defense give up 12 y/p, but give up a lower number? There is nothing the defense can do that will affect their plays/game, that won't affect their yards/play.

 

A team with a poor offense will almost always have more defensive snaps. Having those defensive snaps and a low number of yards per play is highly impressive.

However I think it means more when combined with defensive third down efficiency.

 

I think we have the fewest three and outs in the NFL as an offense....

Whats that mean?

 

Yes, lowest three-and-out percentage in the league. Combined with their poor efficiency metrics, it suggests a lack of big plays/chunk yardage.

 

Which helps their stats, doesn't it? If they started further back and still scored, their ypg allowed would be worse. It's something you can't prove.

 

Because a team getting 12 yards a play will run fewer plays to score...thereby having the defense to be on the field for fewer plays.

 

Yards per play may be important when factored into overall yards per game. So, a team giving up 4.5 yards per play, but allowing 400 yards per game would be worse than a team allowing 7 yards per play, but allowing 250 yards per game.

 

Why can we never get our offense just normal???

 

Ya...but...the team that scores more points per game than their defense allows per game has a pretty good chance of winning a few.

 

They rank 28th in plays per drive allowed.

 

18th according to pro football reference. 10th in time. 3rd in yards.

 

Apparently I was looking at last year.
Ahh this makes more sense b/c I thought the D has been much worse than 8th in scoring... which they are. 22nd [24.8 pts/game].. as opposed to 8th [20.9].

Man, if we had last year's #8 scoring D, we'd be averaging a +3.1 point differential now that the offense is up from 19.8 pts/game [26th] to 24.0 [14th].
All this talk by Stringer you'd think the defense is carrying the offense, but in reality, the offense is what's improved significantly while the defense seems to have regressed. Yup, Tannehill is so terrible that the offense he leads is now 14th in scoring despite transitioning a new scheme.

 

Defense is also 13th in Passer Rating, 13th in sacks, 15th in 3rd down%, 30th in 4th down conversions, 21st in INTs & 27th in Passes Defended.

 

So, they are good at not giving up big yards per play, but they're below average in average in allowing offensive plays per game. So, like I said, touting the yards per play stay didn't really tell the true story.

 

No, it doesn't always tell the whole story. It's math, no? Offenses get 3 downs before punting. Our defense is allowing 4.7 yards per play. That might be #2 in the NFL, but if they're allowing a consistent 4.7 yards, the chains are moving since 4.7 x 3 = 14.1.... and 14.1 >10. I'm guessing that's partly why they're #2 in yards per play but are 22nd in scoring, 15th in 3rd Down Conversion%, and have allowed 4 4th Down conversions [30th].

I'd rather see our defense bending but not breaking.... like Baltimore who is 18th in yards/play but is #3 in scoring [16.2 ppg].

 

Right, that was the point I was trying to make earlier, and people, not you, were being obtuse about it.

 

What about victories?

 

The passing defense is average to top 3 in several statistical categories.

The passing offense is average to bottom 5 in several statistical categories.

And you guys conclude that the defense is the problem....

 

We are 30th in opponent-starting-position (31 yard line average). That's a pretty big impact, that gets totally overlooked. Punting game has been bad.

 

The biggest problem for our defense is that 10 TD to 3 INT stat, which might have something to do with playing Brady and Rodgers and even Smith is good at avoiding throwing picks. We gave up one TD pass to Manuel on a great play by Watkins and the Chiefs did a great job of attacking Trusnick in the middle of the field for short passes that went for scores.

Now that we're healthy and playing a few QBs more prone to turnovers hopefully that stat evens out a bit.

 

No, people have an issue with people like you letting the defense off the hook for the Green Bay loss, but holding Tannehill accountable for every offensive woe.

 

Exactly.

 

How many defenses in the NFL would you trust to have the advantage over Aaron Rodgers with 4 downs to work with? On the previous series the defense held them to the field goal and got the ball back for our offense with the lead. Had the offense been able to do anything you could say the defense won the game on the series before. The problem is you guys have no perspective or long term memory "the defense gave up the last points, therefore the defense is at fault."

It reminds me of putting all the blame on Carpenter for that overtime loss vs the Jets. What happened that game was on second down Tannehill took a shot deep for some stupid reason when we were already in field goal range for the win. Any QB with half a brain would realize its much more valuable to pick up 2 or 3 extra yards in that situation rather than try to score a long TD. Tannehill's stupidity was as much at fault for that loss as Carpenter yet Carpenter shouldered all of the blame.

Tannehill just has a horrible sense of urgency, especially when we're ahead, or even tied. When Aaron Rodgers is on the other sideline and you have the ball with a one score lead you should play almost as if you're one score down.

 

It was a full team loss at the end. Offense should've gotten one first down (besides the penalty one), but they didn't then the punt team boned it, then the defense gave up two ugly plays, throw in Captain Queasy for good measure.

Everybody had a hand in it.

 

It's already been shown that Tannehill did he was supposed to do. He threw it away to have a shot at a first down on third down...as he was told they were doing to go for a first. The defense still allowed an 18 yard pass on 4th and 10, and played absolutely the worst they could on the fake spike. Tannehill played lights out in the second half and gave them the lead. That's what you ask of all your players: step up in the second half. Sure, Tannehill played bad in the first. Everyone admits that. Problem is, Tannehill haters will not admit that the defense sh*t the need in the fourth.

 

He did what he was supposed to do? You think the coaches or his teammates would have objected to him completing a pass? Is there nothing the QB can do to account for a blitz before the ball is snapped?

And I doubt Tannehill was ever told they were going to go for the first on third down.

 

So he's a liar? How do you what Tannehill is allowed to do pre-snap? Philbin said as much after the game. He got "queasy" and changed his mind on what to do on third down. Keep your head in the sand, and place all the blame on Tannehill.

 

He didn't "change his mind," that is a ridiculous assumption. Philbin had to make a decision on each and every down and part of the decision making process depended on the new information gained from the previous down. He got "queasy" because he had a sick decision to make, probably literally sickening. Trust in your QB who's gaining 0.5 yards per play and has turned it over in that spot twice before, or trust your defense to stop the great Aaron Rodgers? The fact that we were so close to stopping him with just 2 seconds left should clue you in to the fact that it was indeed a very close "sickening" decision on that third down.

 

looks like y'all got your wish, Dolphin unite is banned.

you happy now?

 

Why was Shouright banned again? Does not seem equitable.

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Who asked for him to get banned? I thought he was annoying, but didn't call for the ban hammer...

 

Where did you hear he got banned? Where did you hear anyone even ask him to get banned. If he got banned..its because of something he did behind the scenes dude..he annoyed people..but nobody asked him to get banned

 

Essentially what you're saying is Tannehill NEEDS to be playing like.... Aaron Rodgers?.. a 10 year veteran? That's why you're mad? You irrationally act like the offense only scored 10 points and fans are upset that Miami's D couldn't hold Green Bay to 9. How about you humor us and let us know at what point you think a defense SHOULD be responsible for doing its damn job.

You wanna preach perspective? Here's perspective- Detroit and Seattle didn't need all this excuse-making to beat Rodgers like you're boo-hoo'ing about, and Stafford and the Lions scored less than Miami. Seattle would've beaten Rodgers with our 24 pts.

How about some more perspective? Tannehill led the offense to 24 pts [should've been 27] against a hot defense that previously allowed 10, 17, and 19 pts.... but oh yeah, Tannehill sucks. If Miami's D didn't allow the Packers offense to stay on the field for most of the second half [including 14 minutes on its first 3 drives], they wouldn't have been so tired during the final drive and Miami's offense could've put up even more points, you know- since we only had the ball FOUR TIMES in the 2nd half. But somehow 3 consecutive TD drives doesn't represent a sense or urgency to you. Yeah ok. Yup, in your eyes it's ok for the defense to s*** the bed in the 2nd half but Tannehill is somehow a POS for only leading 3 TD drives in 4 possessions. Yup, he's a loser because he couldn't make it 4 for 4. lol

You want even more perspective?
Green Bay's Passing Defense ranks

• #2 in Passer Rating [72.4]
• #4 in TDs
• #3 in Yards
• #3 in INTs

Y​ou're apologetically whining that it's acceptable for Miami's D to allow the game-winning drive because of Aaron Rodgers. You're like, "Hey, it's not the defense's fault they had a terrible 2nd half; it's Aaron Rodgers, man, so give them a break!" There's a word for this. Hypocrite. Why do you offer a reprieve for Miami's D but pull a complete, hypocritical 180 with Tannehill? Why aren't you offering proper consistency? Where's your integrity? Either change your mind about the defense, or change your mind about Tannehill, because you can't have it both ways. If you wanna give the defense a break for playing Rodgers, then you need to give young Tannehill a break for playing Green Bay's elite secondary. Otherwise, the defense is responsible for giving up a lead that Tannehill & the offense HANDED THEM!! But no, instead you act like it was Miami who trailed late in the 4th quarter and needed a last minute TD to win but Tannehill failed to deliver.

 

i don't consider the unpredictability of a bouncing football to be a indicator of the defense failing, they made the skillfull football play to win the game..

 

the constant insinuating at every turn that he was shouright, folks constantly taking shots at his approach to analysis was just as annoying imo..but when folks can't just let it go or just respect each others mind, the the mods fell into the pressure.

i know you tried VT.

i just think its BS and i think its quite frankly disappointing as a member of this board.