Fins to Face Matt Roth
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NJFINSFAN1luxury_boxOPInteresting little tidbit in this story.
Roth, by the way, finished up with four sacks in his six games with the Browns last season. This year, he has three more sacks, plus another 26 quarterback pressures. According to Pro Football Focus, he is the seventh-best all-around outside linebacker among the 36 playing frequently in a 3-4 scheme.
Cameron Wake, by the way, ranks fifth. Misi is ninth, which might surprise you, but he’s played 280 fewer snaps than Roth so far (661-381). Joey Porter? he’s 34th out of 36. No surprise there.
So, how do you feel about Roth at this point? Do you wish he were still in a Dolphins uniform? Or do you side with the hard line the team took during and after so-called Groingate?
I was surprised to see Misi ranked higher. I know some people here still want Roth, but it seems it was the right move at least by the rankings.
GMJohnsonNew MemberI wish we still had him. Roth was one of the best edge setters in the game in 2008, and that was as he was just learning to play the position. I think if he was still here he'd be dominating. And we could have used the Misi 2nd round pick on a TE, WR, or a Pat White :shifty:.
firedanforum_veteranWell there was a reason they got rid of him.If he was insubordinate(I don't know if he was,but that's what was rumored) they had to make an example.The guys that replaced him are an upgrade.
GARDENHEADsubscriberMatt Roth was a me-first kinda guy. You can't have guys faking injuries as leverage for contract negotiations. The guy was a punk. Good riddance. There's plenty of LBs in this league who can set the edge when they have zero pass-rushing responsibilities.
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Frumundah FinnaticNew MemberIf he wasnt being a PITA then yeah I would still want him.
MonstBlitz;2232016 wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me if he is retained. Jeff Ireland is the nightmare that won't end. The **** stain you cannot flush. The Herpes for which there is no cure.
GMJohnsonNew Member"firedan wrote:
Well there was a reason they got rid of him.If he was insubordinate(I don't know if he was,but that's what was rumored) they had to make an example.The guys that replaced him are an upgrade.
I don't disagree. I just think Parcells' ego may have gotten in the way and I wish the front office would've handled it differently. If Roth says he's hurt, put him on the PUP and let him look soft in front of his teamates and peers. If he still doesn't want to play after 6 games, put him on IR. He'd have been a restricted free agent coming into this year, same as Ronnie and Fasano. Hopefully he'd come around and see that his only real path to a lucrative contract would be to play hard for us, at least for one year. Best case he plays hard, comes around and we resign him. Worst case he walks. Or maybe we trade him for a mid rounder, hell we got a nickel back for Greg Camarillo and a 5th for Teddy, Roth is a better player than both, combined. As it was, we got nothing out of him and we got nothing for him. A waste IMO.
dolfan22subscriber"GMJohnson wrote:
I don't disagree. I just think Parcells' ego may have gotten in the way and I wish the front office would've handled it differently. If Roth says he's hurt, put him on the PUP and let him look soft in front of his teamates and peers. If he still doesn't want to play after 6 games, put him on IR. He'd have been a restricted free agent coming into this year, same as Ronnie and Fasano. Hopefully he'd come around and see that his only real path to a lucrative contract would be to play hard for us, at least for one year. Best case he plays hard, comes around and we resign him. Worst case he walks. Or maybe we trade him for a mid rounder, hell we got a nickel back for Greg Camarillo and a 5th for Teddy, Roth is a better player than both, combined. As it was, we got nothing out of him and we got nothing for him. A waste IMO.
Amen to that ..... severely mishandled imho. You don't dispose of valuable assets for nothing.
jdang307subscriber"GARDENHEAD wrote:
Matt Roth was a me-first kinda guy. You can't have guys faking injuries as leverage for contract negotiations. The guy was a punk. Good riddance. There's plenty of LBs in this league who can set the edge when they have zero pass-rushing responsibilities.
We should cut Brandon Marshall then. :D
VanDolPhansubscriber"GARDENHEAD wrote:
Matt Roth was a me-first kinda guy. You can't have guys faking injuries as leverage for contract negotiations. The guy was a punk. Good riddance. There's plenty of LBs in this league who can set the edge when they have zero pass-rushing responsibilities.
He wasn't faking an injury. He was faking not having an injury. Rosenhaus blew it when he let it be known Roth's groin was again a problem after Roth had signed a document to the Dolphins stating he was healthy before the conditioning run when he was clearly hiding the injury. Claimed it was 'illness' because he was trying to get that new contract.
Also, since being in Cleveland he's demanded a trade and appeared on the injury report with a so called "hamstring" and *cough* "illness" the last 4 or so weeks which just coincides with yet another drop in his play.
Dannyg28New Member"NJFINSFAN1 wrote:
Interesting little tidbit in this story.
I was surprised to see Misi ranked higher. I know some people here still want Roth, but it seems it was the right move at least by the rankings.
Unless I'm missing something Roth is ranked higher at 7th to Misi's 9th.
In any case I think the situation was mishandled by the front office, like others have said. Maybe they didn't want him on the team anymore, but they gave away what has proven to be a productive asset for nothing, which is just not a good move.
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