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Fire Philbin

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by JShady, Oct 12, 2014.

  1. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I mean we'll just agree to disagree.

    They went 9-7 last year and went to the playoffs because Chicago & Detroit both choked down the stretch. How is that quality? They were 9-7.

    For the last 3 years they've lost in the first round...by a lot. They're only a playoff team in name because division winners have to be and that division is insanely overrated.

    How is there offense loaded? Their WRs are fantastic, yes. But would you say that's at all a product of how good Aaron Rodgers is? Like honestly, what did Randall Cobb do well today on his TD? He just ran around while Rodgers did and found a hole. By any stretch, how is that him being really good? Jordy Nelson is fantastic player. He'd automatically be our #1 WR, but he's not a guy that's just a beast. For the most part, Miami had him locked down pretty well until Brent Grimes fell down on every play. Not taking anything away from Jordy, he's great, but again, could he not be the product of Aaron Rodgers...even just a little bit?

    Their running game sucks. It just sucks. They should be able to run for chunks of yards but they can't.

    Clay Matthews hasn't been good since 2012. That's around the same time Julius Peppers was relevant. I mean seriously. Check their stats. Look at PFF statistics. Look at whatever deep peripheral you need. Those "2 great pass rushers" were great. And I'm sure because they go to a Pro Bowl they are too, but they're not. We HANDLED them today. Other than Peppers getting in on Pouncey with an early stunt, they did absolutely nothing all game. Nothing.

    I mean their secondary is good. OK, but I'd hardly say it's outstanding. They are well coached, but how does that make the talent on the field good?

    I'm sorry I disagree. I don't think they're nearly as talented as people make them out to...or their division. It's rotten.
     
  2. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    They went 9-7 with the best or at least top 3 QB in the NFL missing 7 games lol. Stop it.
     
  3. Unlucky 13

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    Steelers fans want Mike Tomlin out. I'd love to scoop him up.
     
  4. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I mean...they did it against a division that had an 8-8 team, a 7-9 team, and a 4-12 team. Is it really that tough to go 9-7 with anyone playing QB there?

    Again, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

    They'll win the division at 11-5 or whatever. Everyone will think they are good. They'll have 6 Pro Bowlers...then they'll lose in the 1st round again...at home. Like, it's the same thing every year because they're not nearly as talented as anyone else they play in the playoffs.
     
  5. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You know. I'd be down for Tomlin too, but only if we can't lure Harbaugh. If Malzahn is really a possibility, I'd be interested there too, but I'm not sure it is.
     
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  6. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Whoever it is...it needs to be somebody who can make an immediate positive impact and get us to the playoffs first year...too many failed rebuilds (not looking good for the current regime...Philbin doesn't look like an NFL HC), too many changes in regime/vision/direction, mainly caused by reaching on HCs and the prior attachment to Ireland.
     
  7. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    One mistake made early on this regime was the move to 4-3 when our 3-4 scheme was fine. Then we brought in more 3-4 players like D. Jordan.

    Doesn't help either that Philbin can't clock manage his way out of a paper bag.
     
  8. huck1974

    huck1974 FU Gene Steratore

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    HUH? We are going to blame this on the D that spent the entire first half on the field and only gave up 10 points to Rodgers? My mind is blown
     
  9. ToddPhin

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    .... and they also had Cobb, Bulaga, Jermichael Finley, and Casey Heyward on IR. They lost Matthews for 5 games, ILB Brad Jones 4 games, Shields 2 games, Morgan Burnett 3 games, Nick Perry 5 games, and James Jones 2 games.
     
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  10. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    OK so how was it RT's fault they gave up the fake spike to OOB debacle? DBs pay attention and realize what's coming on that play, and he never gets the TD throw off.
     
  11. Dolphins1Beatles

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    Hey be nice...he managed the clock exceptionally well for Green Bay, who converted after both timeouts.
     
  12. ToddPhin

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    Hmph, so if you're willing to recognize Aaron Rodger's greatness but believe Tannehill is such a terrible QB, then how do you explain the fact that it was TANNEHILL who was the QB with the lead up until the last play of the game and that it was RODGERS who was the one in need of last second heroics aided by Philbin's gift-wrapping assistance? Yup, Tannehill is so terrible that, if Miami's D were able to thwart Green Bay's attempt on 4th & 10, it would've been TANNEHILL with the win.
     
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  13. ckparrothead

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  14. Piston Honda

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    Sometimes you just give credit to the other team, or in this case the other QB. Rodgers is the best in the business and he showed it again today. Dude is like Russell Wilson with Marino's arm and release. I can't even be mad at the loss.
     
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  15. ToddPhin

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    Shaddup.

    Side note: It was funny in the presser hearing Tannehill say, "the offensive line did a pretty good job protecting me".... and then he goes to the ole tell-tale nose scratch mid sentenceto indicate how he really felt. lol
     
  16. DPlus47

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    Better than the AFC East, IMO, which is the comparison I was making. The division is competitive. The AFC East is not competitive. The Patriots are not a great team this year, and they will most likely win this division by more than 2 games. Just like every year except for 2008.

    I thought the Packers did a good job overcoming injuries last year to make the playoffs. If the Bears choked it away, it might be somewhat important to note that they lost the division in a game against the Packers.

    That "bad team" from Green Bay won a Super Bowl in 2010 with the same head coach, a similar coaching staff, and some of the same key players. They did a good job of overcoming injuries that year, as well. IMO, that's a sign of good coaching.
     
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  17. dolfan40

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    1.John Gruden
    2.Bill Cowher
    3.Jim Harbaugh
    4.Gus Malzahn
    5.Steve Spurrier

    We gotta make a splash with a big name Coach Malzahn is a genius but i believe its Harbaugh.
     
  18. Alex44

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    Ummm if its that easy to win with anyone at QB why didn't those other teams? Obviously it kind of IS that hard. Of course if you insert Rodgers the team is MUCH MUCH better. Just like if you take out Brees or Manning those teams suddenly aren't as good. It doesn't mean they suck. It means they are built to win a certain way.
     
  19. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Not a fan of Harbaugh and he's low on my list (but still above Philbin obviously), but I agree with the rest.
     
  20. slickj101

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    Most important thing Tomlin did was inherit Cower's roster.
     
  21. Puka-head

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    Which was one of the biggest head scratchers to me. 30 seconds to go in the half. Makeable distance for fourth and. We punt? Why? Two five yr runs and a field goal attempt maybe. I get the fourth and goal call but bet you wish you had that three now.

    This is the real killer for me. WORST RUN D IN THE LEAGUE AND WE DIDNT EVEN TRY to run the ball in the first half.

    Coaching lost this game. My only question is do THEY know it and can they fix it? Answer no to either of those and see ya wouldn't want to be ya.
     
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  22. Serpico Jones

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    Jason Cole is reporting that Philbin is in danger of losing the locker room, players are privately questioning his leadership and decision making under pressure according to Cole. Many view him as an assistant who isn't cut out to be a head coach.
     
  23. Hellion

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    Here and there
    1. and 2. How many ways do they have to say they don't want to coach? If they wanted to they would be.

    3. and 4. are serious contenders if a change is made.

    5. REALLY???
     
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  24. cdz12250

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    On the last series, when we needed to run out the clock, the Packers put nine people in the box. What did the children of a lesser god we have running our offense call? Runs up the gut. Just how monumental an idiot do you have to be to run head first into a brick wall? That's the quality of our coaching staff.
     
  25. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    I have to disagree. The D kept us in the game. They played for over 20 min of the first half. Without the D playing well, we would have lost 50 - 20.

    This ^^^^^^

    Me too. How we let him retain his job is beyond me. Then to not even show up until halftime every gave this year is crazy. I see a player revolt soon.

    This is why I can't place blame on the Defense. They kept the best QB locked up most of the night.
     
  26. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    But the NFC North isn't better this year than the AFC East. The Bills are 2-0 against the NFCN this year, with wins over Detroit and Chicago. The Jets are 0-2 with losses to GB and Chicago. Miami is 0-1 with a loss to GB. NE is 1-0 with a win against Minnesota.

    It's not much different at all. One team ia the cream of the crop. One team is pure trash. Two teams are mediocre.

    I love how you call the Patriots overrated, yet they've only done more in the playoffs year after year sonce 2010.

    I also love the revisionist info on 2010. How does that have anything to do with 2010?

    They are well coached...although talk to many Packers fans about McCarthy...but have you ever looked at the schedule and said, "Man...uphill battle here. That team's coach is really good." Vegas doesn't give points because a coach is way better than another. Yes, the Packers are a better coached team but that doesn't make them very good.

    I disagree. In no way should there be a moral victory that we played well against the Packers. IMO, they aren't one of the premier team's in the NFL.

    I watch the Packers and say the same thing. Aaron Rodgers may be the best ever and Jordy Nelson is good. That's it.
     
  27. finwin

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    Ran no gain, Pass incomplete (duh tell your QB to take the sack or turn in half your coaching check) Run no gain. We did pass though and just like the breakdowns on the D, the OL had a breakdown at a critical time. It was a team loss because Coaching and weak links in personnel, (Wilson, Fields, Moreno, Hartline, Finnigan, Wheeler)
     
  28. finwin

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    I agree, they can't run, have no OL, and they have no DT that can stop the run. They have more holes than we do and they had major injuries in the secondary and we couldn't come out with a W. Shame all around on this team because it's a below .500 team now and most likely in December.
     
  29. Brasfin

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    Guessing you mean NFC north..I think by the end of the season their record will show they are a better division than the AFC east, IMO.
     
  30. Vertical Limit

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    Some people on this site won't learn the mistakes we made with Jimmy Johnson and Saban. The guy that is coaching the Dolphins MUST want to coach the Dolphins. It can't be some big name we woo him with money, his heart won't be in it. He will run away with the money after two seasons.

    The biggest mistake we made was passing on McCoy for Philbin, just because of Bowles, which by the way, Ross was right about Bowles but McCoy was the better coach. This is the same guy that won a playoff game with Tebow...
     
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  31. rdhstlr23

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    Thanks, I made that edit.

    That's fair. Don't have to agree with it. That's just my personal opinion.
     
  32. SkapePhin

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    Joe is brutal. He doesn't bring ANYTHING to the table as a head coach. Might as well have a mannequin out there...
     
  33. cdz12250

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    They did try to pass once, albeit with disastruous results. But why is it that they have to attempt the second run between the tackles with nine men in the box, the exact defense that is designed to defeat runs up the middle? Are there not other plays in the playbook?
     
  34. DPlus47

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    You called the "cream of the crop" (your words) team from that "bad" division (your opinion) "bad" (also your word). I think the Patriots are overrated. I didn't say they were "bad." You said the Packers were "bad." You didn't say the Packers were "overrated." Do you see the difference? Judging from your response, I don't think you do. I was responding to your quote that the Packers are a bad team.


    I'm not sure what is "revisionist" about 2010. The Packers overcame a lot of injuries and won a Super Bowl that year, several years after the most recent Patriots Super Bowl win and several decades after the most recent Dolphins Super Bowl win. I used that example to state that the head coach is one part of the team that is "above average" (or whatever you asked for, I'm not going back to your post again at this point, because you get the basic idea). He kept the team together through adversity, and has repeatedly done so. Of course, I'm sure the big bad Bears and all the other teams that are better than the Packers but somehow choked their way out of it had more to do with that championship than anybody associated with the Packers.

    We're not speaking the same language in this conversation. I'm sorry I tried to get involved.
     
  35. DPlus47

    DPlus47 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think the AFC East is a bad division because it's week 6, the Monday night game hasn't even been played, and the race is pretty much over. Just like every other year but 2008. That year, the Patriots went 11-5 and got edged out by a tiebreaker. For 15 games that year, the Patriots started a QB whose career peaked in high school.
     
  36. rdhstlr23

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    I mean if we want to play semantics here we can. I never said they were a bad team as you quote. I said they weren't good.

    However, I believe they're overrated and that's a better term for my feelings on Green Bay. Because of the QB they have, it ultimately makes them good or better than your average team. So, you're right about that. That was poor adjective to use. Overrated is much more fair and indicative of how I feel about Green Bay.

    I took exception to this idea that Miami was playing a far better team than the Green Bay Packers. I don't see it that way. There isn't many advantageous matchup's the Packers pose to Miami other than the one that got us beat consistently - Aaron Rodgers & Jordy Nelson.

    And I appreciate your completely over-exaggeration of everything I said.

    I can do that too.

    I'm sure the Packers aren't nearly as good and probably should have beaten Miami by 32473029432094932 points but their injuries allowed Miami to play with them. Although every team in the entire NFL has to deal with injuries, it's only call for applause if the Green Bay Packers handle that adversity well.

    While we're at it, GOAT Green Bay Packers and all their players kept Miami in the game because they wanted to see what a close game was like and get some close game practice situation in. Because they're the greatest franchise in the history of the NFL and they won the first Super Bowl, the prestige of the franchise passed down from generation to generation gave the team a sense of pride when they were affected by Miami's elements.

    We'll just have to see how it shakes out, but I'm willing to bet it shakes out as it always does. 1 team will get in from the AFCE & NFCN. 2 Teams will be fairly mediocre 7-9 to 9-7, and 1 team will be very bad 6-10 or worse.

    Packers will win that division. Patriots will win our division.

    Maybe this is an argument over my inability to properly express my feelings on the Packers, but no reason to be an ***. Let's just move on. We disagree.
     
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  37. DPlus47

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    I'm sorry I didn't go back and pull out "not good," instead of lazily saying you called the Packers "bad." That was my fault. For the record, I never thought the Packers were unbeatable, even by the Dolphins. The Dolphins do some things well that match up well with the Packers. To me, that doesn't make the Packers "not good," but I try to give the opponent some credit every now and then.

    I still don't understand what was "revisionist" about my 2010 comment. I'm willing to read and learn. I love what you've done so far.

    Put Aaron Rodgers on the Dolphins and they're a good team. Put Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy on the Dolphins and they're a team with a shot every year, i.e. "very good." Put someone who once worked in the same building as Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy on the Dolphins and you have these Dolphins, i.e. "not good," but trying to work it out.

    IMO, QB and HC are the two most important positions on a football team. If we're allowed to consider the front office, throw in the GM and that's my top 3. The Packers are exceptional at all 3 positions, IMO. So, if we discount 3 of the most important positions for organizational success, yeah, the Packers don't have much.

    Let's go ahead and throw in everybody's favorite team, the Patriots, because if you don't show proper deference to them it renders your other opinions inconsequential. IMO, the Patriots are exceptional at HC. Better than McCarthy, for sure. They have a QB who used to be exceptional who can occasionally conjure that up under the right conditions. Not as good as Rodgers, let alone better, IMO. Belichick the GM is not better than Ted Thompson, IMO.
     
  38. Fame

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    I really dislike Philbin as our HC, but at this point the prospect of him being fired scares me a bit simply because it would seem to lead to Harbaugh being our next HC. Somehow Harbaugh scares me more than the prospect of Joe Philbin being retained.
     
  39. FinSane

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    I wanted Philbin over McCoy initially. But that was before I read that Philbin had nothing to do with Green Bay's offensive success. Also, watching his awkward handling of the team in his first season on Hard Knocks and how his lack of preparation each and every week has grown tired on me. It doesn't help that he can't seem to inspire and light a fire under our player's asses due to his personality isn't helping either.
     
  40. heylookatme

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    My friend, you are scared of having a good coach? Would you care to trade phobias? I'm afraid of being stuck with a bad one.
     

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