Fletcher Cox Could Be Miami Dolphins’ Choice If Not Ryan Tannehill

I'd like him more than Coples. I would like this pick more than a lot of other ways we could go honestly. Him and Soliai side by side would be nuts.

Imagine:

Jared Odrick - Fletcher Cox - Paul Soliai - Cam Wake

Plus you have Randy Starks and Tony McDaniel on the bench that can sub in. You could even argue putting him in at DE and having Odrick Play DT.

I think there is a forgotten man in this equation, and why I don't see the urgency to go dine at 8, he's the reason why I thought we would let Langford walk, and our new coach also thinks he's got himself a very interesting versatile player (very high praise) and that player is MCD..

With Starks, Odrick, Solai and MCD, your 4 man line looks good to me, and they all can switch positions and play in the 34.

While I think Cox is a fine player, I don't see the need on the team when we already have a 27 year old 6'6 300 pounder who's as strong as anyone on the team and who can play all positions along the front

That is a scary front 4.

I'll kill someone if we take an interior DLman. Even with the loss of Langford, its our deepest position. Soliai, Starks, and Odrick in the main rotation depending on down and distance... with McDaniels as further depth.

For the love of god, take a QB/WR/explosive pass rusher.

"FinNasty wrote:

I'll kill someone if we take an interior DLman. Even with the loss of Langford, its our deepest position. Soliai, Starks, and Odrick in the main rotation depending on down and distance... with McDaniels as further depth.

For the love of god, take a QB/WR/explosive pass rusher.

Problem is, there may be no Qb, no Wr and marginal passrushing prospects at that pick.

In that sense, Kuechly would make as much sense as Cox then followed by DeCastro..none of which spikes the fan interest meter even a little bit.

"djphinfan wrote:

I think there is a forgotten man in this equation, and why I don't see the urgency to go dine at 8, he's the reason why I thought we would let Langford walk, and our new coach also thinks he's got himself a very interesting versatile player (very high praise) and that player is MCD..

With Starks, Odrick, Solai and MCD, your 4 man line looks good to me, and they all can switch positions and play in the 34.

While I think Cox is a fine player, I don't see the need on the team when we already have a 27 year old 6'6 300 pounder who's as strong as anyone on the team and who can play all positions along the front

Fletcher Cox would represent the BPA with a very low bust chance. He ran like a 4.80 40 yard dash at the combine which is crazy for a man his size, not to mention his incredible bench press number.

Look at how the Giants beat the Patriots, they constantly got pressure with their front 4. This is a type of move that would allow us to really get after the QB. Think about it Soliai is HUGE and has decent speed/power and can get to the QB in his own right. It normally takes 2 offensive lineman to block Soliai. Then you have Jared Odrick that really came on as a DE last year (he had 6 sacks in the last 11 games as a 3-4 DE). If you make Odrick a strong side 4-3 DE I bet he gets to the QB more than that. Cam Wake is on the other side and we all know what he can do.... Add Fletcher Cox in the middle as someone that can constantly get up the field and apply pressure on the QB and the whole unit/defense gets better. If Fletcher Cox gets pressure up the middle the QB is going to have to drop farther back and Cam Wake will be there waiting to sack him. Football is a numbers game and I just don't see how you could block Cam Wake, Paul Soliai, Jared Odrick, and Fletcher Cox with only 5 OLman.

"FinNasty wrote:

I'll kill someone if we take an interior DLman. Even with the loss of Langford, its our deepest position. Soliai, Starks, and Odrick in the main rotation depending on down and distance... with McDaniels as further depth.

For the love of god, take a QB/WR/explosive pass rusher.

MY guess is they think Odrick can play DE and Cox at DT.

No QB worth taking at 8, WR class is deep, I would love Ingram but doesn't fit Ireland's draft mold.

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

MY guess is they think Odrick can play DE and Cox at DT.

No QB worth taking at 8, WR class is deep, I would love Ingram but doesn't fit Ireland's draft mold.

Odrick can and probably will play DE. He used to play the position back at Penn State and he played the position well in the 3-4 last year. I actually think he could excel even more as a 4-3 DE on the strong side. He is strong enough to set the edge, good against the run, and he got 6 sacks as a 3-4 DE. I would love to see how many sacks he would get in the 4-3 honestly.

After looking at this draft, there isn't a lot of offensive talent in the 1st round in terms of value. Most of the talent is on the defensive side of the ball.

I don't get it. Isn't Ingram the same mold as Cameron Wake? Why would Ireland not like Ingram after having so much success with Wake?

"padre31 wrote:

Problem is, there may be no Qb, no Wr and marginal passrushing prospects at that pick.

In that sense, Kuechly would make as much sense as Cox then followed by DeCastro..none of which spikes the fan interest meter even a little bit.

One of Tannenhill/Floyd/Coples will be available...

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

MY guess is they think Odrick can play DE and Cox at DT.

No QB worth taking at 8, WR class is deep, I would love Ingram but doesn't fit Ireland's draft mold.

Odrick is not a pass rusher you want coming off that weak side. Hes a much better fit at the 3 tech...

Tannenhill is worth taking at 8 IMO. WR class is deep, thats fine, but that doesnt mean you take a lesser player just b/c theres some depth at the position. And Coples would fit what we do...

"djphinfan wrote:

I think there is a forgotten man in this equation, and why I don't see the urgency to go dine at 8, he's the reason why I thought we would let Langford walk, and our new coach also thinks he's got himself a very interesting versatile player (very high praise) and that player is MCD..

With Starks, Odrick, Solai and MCD, your 4 man line looks good to me, and they all can switch positions and play in the 34.

While I think Cox is a fine player, I don't see the need on the team when we already have a 27 year old 6'6 300 pounder who's as strong as anyone on the team and who can play all positions along the front

The only problem with that line is that none of them get to the passer consistently. Plus, if you're playing a straight-up 4-3, Cameron Wake probably isn't an ideal linebacker for that scheme.

I sort of envision front seven lineup reminiscent of what Nick Saban had here in 2005 with Cameron Wake playing the Jack LB or "Elephant" End or whatever you want to call it. Then you have Starks as a 3 technique, Soliai as a 1 technique and Odrick as the "Close" End. McDaniel is versatile enough to play at all three of those spots, and as we've seen with McDaniel since he's been here, he's a better rotational player. I think with Merling and Ryan Baker, you've got a few guys who can play in a couple spots as well. Maybe they take a flier on a later round/UDFA plugger type, like Ronnie Cameron or someone like that.

I still think Miami's got to find another guy to get after the passer whether it be Quinton Coples in a more traditional strongside 4-3 End spot or even someone like Melvin Ingram or Courtney Upshaw who you can move around almost acting as a SAM in both the 4-3 and 3-4 fronts.

"UCF FINatic wrote:

Odrick can and probably will play DE. He used to play the position back at Penn State and he played the position well in the 3-4 last year. I actually think he could excel even more as a 4-3 DE on the strong side. He is strong enough to set the edge, good against the run, and he got 6 sacks as a 3-4 DE. I would love to see how many sacks he would get in the 4-3 honestly.

After looking at this draft, there isn't a lot of offensive talent in the 1st round in terms of value. Most of the talent is on the defensive side of the ball.

DefCord would think Christmas came early with all of the Dline games he could run with that unit.

Problem with Ingram is he is a good prospect, but not a good value at 8, Coples is what he is.

"FinNasty wrote:

One of Tannenhill/Floyd/Coples will be available...

Odrick is not a pass rusher you want coming off that weak side. Hes a much better fit at the 3 tech...

Tannenhill is worth taking at 8 IMO. WR class is deep, thats fine, but that doesnt mean you take a lesser player just b/c theres some depth at the position. And Coples would fit what we do...

I'd much rather have Ordick on the outside at DE and Fletcher Cox on the inside than Odrick on the inside at DT and Coples at DE... Plus Cox doesn't have issues with his consistency or personality like Coples has.

"Sumlit wrote:

I don't get it. Isn't Ingram the same mold as Cameron Wake? Why would Ireland not like Ingram after having so much success with Wake?

I agree 100%. Ireland liked Wake and recruited him from the CFL. Ingram is just a younger Wake IMO. Their size only differs by about 2 inches. We should get Ingram

"UCF FINatic wrote:

Odrick can and probably will play DE. He used to play the position back at Penn State and he played the position well in the 3-4 last year. I actually think he could excel even more as a 4-3 DE on the strong side. He is strong enough to set the edge, good against the run, and he got 6 sacks as a 3-4 DE. I would love to see how many sacks he would get in the 4-3 honestly.

After looking at this draft, there isn't a lot of offensive talent in the 1st round in terms of value. Most of the talent is on the defensive side of the ball.

Yeah I want to see Odrick play DT and get Ingram. Wake-Odrick-Solai-Ingram. Yeah at 8 it would seem so. If Ryan Tannehill had more experience at QB I would consider it.

"FinNasty wrote:

One of Tannenhill/Floyd/Coples will be available...

Odrick is not a pass rusher you want coming off that weak side. Hes a much better fit at the 3 tech...

Tannenhill is worth taking at 8 IMO. WR class is deep, thats fine, but that doesnt mean you take a lesser player just b/c theres some depth at the position. And Coples would fit what we do...

No I don't really want Odrick at DE but if Coaching staff think he can pull it off then what can you do.

Tannehill is 1 year or 2 years way from starting no way is he worthy of being taken top 15. Judging how the coaching staff feels about Wideouts I don't think they feel the way you do. I'd rather have Tannehill at 8 than Michael Floyd and that is saying something. Not a big fan of Coples I think Ingram is going to be better but time will tell.

"UCF FINatic wrote:

I'd much rather have Ordick on the outside at DE and Fletcher Cox on the inside than Odrick on the inside at DT and Coples at DE... Plus Cox doesn't have issues with his consistency or personality like Coples has.

I don't think Odrick has any business being on the outside...

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

Yeah I want to see Odrick play DT and get Ingram. Wake-Odrick-Solai-Ingram. Yeah at 8 it would seem so. If Ryan Tannehill had more experience at QB I would consider it.

No I don't really want Odrick at DE but if Coaching staff think he can pull it off then what can you do.

Tannehill is 1 year or 2 years way from starting no way is he worthy of being taken top 15. Judging how the coaching staff feels about Wideouts I don't think they feel the way you do. I'd rather have Tannehill at 8 than Michael Floyd and that is saying something. Not a big fan of Coples I think Ingram is going to be better but time will tell.

So, in your opinion, if a QB isn't ready to start day 1... then he isn't worth a top 15 pick? Why do you feel that way? I very much disagree with that premise. It never used to be that way, and only until recently did that become more of a need as the salaries for the rookie QBs spun out of control. But now that they've been reeled in dramatically... you can once again go back to the days of actually developing a QB.

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

Yeah I want to see Odrick play DT and get Ingram. Wake-Odrick-Solai-Ingram. Yeah at 8 it would seem so. If Ryan Tannehill had more experience at QB I would consider it.

No I don't really want Odrick at DE but if Coaching staff think he can pull it off then what can you do.

Tannehill is 1 year or 2 years way from starting no way is he worthy of being taken top 15. Judging how the coaching staff feels about Wideouts I don't think they feel the way you do. I'd rather have Tannehill at 8 than Michael Floyd and that is saying something. Not a big fan of Coples I think Ingram is going to be better but time will tell.

I would love to know what you don't like about Floyd. I'm no fan of tannehill either but Floyd is a beast. I don't want to hear about the kid drinking in college. What about his game is not great in your eyes.

"UCF FINatic wrote:

Fletcher Cox would represent the BPA with a very low bust chance. He ran like a 4.80 40 yard dash at the combine which is crazy for a man his size, not to mention his incredible bench press number.

Look at how the Giants beat the Patriots, they constantly got pressure with their front 4. This is a type of move that would allow us to really get after the QB. Think about it Soliai is HUGE and has decent speed/power and can get to the QB in his own right. It normally takes 2 offensive lineman to block Soliai. Then you have Jared Odrick that really came on as a DE last year (he had 6 sacks in the last 11 games as a 3-4 DE). If you make Odrick a strong side 4-3 DE I bet he gets to the QB more than that. Cam Wake is on the other side and we all know what he can do.... Add Fletcher Cox in the middle as someone that can constantly get up the field and apply pressure on the QB and the whole unit/defense gets better. If Fletcher Cox gets pressure up the middle the QB is going to have to drop farther back and Cam Wake will be there waiting to sack him. Football is a numbers game and I just don't see how you could block Cam Wake, Paul Soliai, Jared Odrick, and Fletcher Cox with only 5 OLman.

that's a good case, I do think you have a point about Bpa, but for me who happens to be a very high on MCD, I believe resources would be best served elsewhere, for me when I look at the team as a whole, and how I could impact it with all variables in play, I would select Kuechly at 8 and put Dansby and Burnett on the outside and have 3 linebackers that can play all three downs..We need linebackers..

What I do find interesting is how Armando came up with Fletcher Coxs name, I don't trust that pick all by himself, Maybe hes heard something and he wants to get on the record...Basicslly Cox is out of his league in the evaluation dept.

"FinNasty wrote:

I don't think Odrick has any business being on the outside...

I agree, quick story, a once wise old man called conifucus told me, Deej, what's happening to Odrick while his hands are active and furious?, I studied the guy over and over to find the answer, and it was right in front of me, while he does have excellent hands, his feet do not travel well, space is his enemy, and I believe he could be a better player on the inside, where he can use those hands.

"Jcouch1021 wrote:

I would love to know what you don't like about Floyd. I'm no fan of tannehill either but Floyd is a beast. I don't want to hear about the kid drinking in college. What about his game is not great in your eyes.

I'm not a huge fan either. He fails to separate and isn't great after the catch.

"djphinfan wrote:

I agree, quick story, a once wise old man called conifucus told me, Deej, what's happening to Odrick while his hands are active and furious?, I studied the guy over and over to find the answer, and it was right in front of me, while he does have excellent hands, his feet do not travel well, space is his enemy, and I believe he could be a better player on the inside, where he can use those hands.

Good point. Maybe this is all being drummed up to get Philly to potentially trade up with us for Fletcher Cox...

Hell...nahh..I would be so pissed if Cox at 8.

"FinNasty wrote:

So, in your opinion, if a QB isn't ready to start day 1... then he isn't worth a top 15 pick? Why do you feel that way? I very much disagree with that premise. It never used to be that way, and only until recently did that become more of a need as the salaries for the rookie QBs spun out of control. But now that they've been reeled in dramatically... you can once again go back to the days of actually developing a QB.

Pretty much. We need a QB. but Tannehill isn't worth the selection. He can't afford to sit he would play at some point during the year. I would rather have Weeden he would have an impact for this team.

"Jcouch1021 wrote:

I would love to know what you don't like about Floyd. I'm no fan of tannehill either but Floyd is a beast. I don't want to hear about the kid drinking in college. What about his game is not great in your eyes.

I think Floyd is a good WR I just don't feel the need we need to grab one at 8 considering we don't really need a true number 1. Easily find a productive WR in rounds 3. Its a deep class.