Flores fired for F bombing Tua?

"pumpdogs wrote:

Hyde is a real deal journalist so I am sure it happened.

While I do respect Hyde, I have a hard time believing that a man who has played three years under Nick Saban is all of a sudden going to be butthurt over Brian Flores cursing him out.

"Silverphin wrote:

While I do respect Hyde, I have a hard time believing that a man who has played three years under Nick Saban is all of a sudden going to be butthurt over Brian Flores cursing him out.

He never said he cried over.He actually gave it back to Flores.Ross is the idiot here.This shit happens in lockeroom a from highschool to the pros.

"canesz06 wrote:

So tua needs to be spoken to nicely? Did his little feelings get hurt? Not only does our QB suck, he's a beta as well. Can you imagine a player telling Shula that he doesn't know how to talk to people? How do you think that would have turned out. Get this noodle armed beta male off of my team

That's exactly what I was thinking. Shula would have ripped him another a$$hole.
And as another example of QB and HC relationships I recall Phil Simms saying that he couldn't wait for GameDay because Parcells was all over him in every way possible during practice all week and the actual game was easier.
If it turns out the front office is treating their prized possession with kid gloves then that's just pathetic.

"pumpdogs wrote:

He never said he cried over.He actually gave it back to Flores.Ross is the idiot here.This **** happens in lockeroom a from highschool to the pros.

There has to be more behind the scenes. I know it's easy to dump on Ross, and I'm not a big fan of it either, but even as someone who wouldn't mind Flores for another year, there are more logical reasons to fire him.

"pumpdogs wrote:

He never said he cried over.He actually gave it back to Flores.Ross is the idiot here.This **** happens in lockeroom a from highschool to the pros.

If he did give it back to Flores then he should be the one that's gone.

I think that this story is starting to come together.

Flores has been fired for failing to "collaborate." I am fairly sure collaborate means "play the players that Grier wants to play."

It is no secret that Flores wanted Herbert, but Grier decided to draft Tua. Remember how shocked Fitzmagic was when he was benched? I am pretty sure Flo woulda given him the heads up - unless the call came from upstairs. Based on the fact that he yanked Fitzmagic twice, it is fairly apparent that the thought that Fitz was best suited to help the team win. Think back to the Raiders game. Was Flo right? Yes.

So now imagine that Fitzmagic is allowed to leave, and Grier brings in competition that is clearly not a threat to Tua. Tua, not the guy that Flores wanted, is in a game and not playing up to expectations, and Grier has left him without a viable alternative. What really is left to be done than to tell him to" f*cking play better?"

Again, there have been enough first halves in the last few weeks that Tua has underperformed that it seems warranted to be told to "f*cking play better."

I keep hearing stories about Flo being bad guy, but it seems like he is in the right most of these times.

Obviously people that don't like Tua will use this as an excuse to bash Tua even though there is nothing in that article that makes Tua look bad. Its just people drawing whatever conclusion they want. Without more info coaches and players getting heated is a non story.

Unless you believe they fired Flores to protect Tua but this is a team that didn't care that everyone knew they were trying to replace him. A team that does that doesn't fire a coach for them.

I was F-bombing him all season as well.

It may have been said above and I missed it, but Tua could have been upset at the game plan? Lots of passing in bad weather AFTER no adjustments in practice to help deal with a wet football? Avoiding the run game when Duke is getting 7 yds per carry? Not adjusting the OL till you FINALLY try Jones at RT during the last game of the season?

Tua was playing bad, but he was not put in position to succeed either.

I wish it was both Grier and Flores getting fired, but if they hire the right coach then all of this will be quickly forgotten.

"tirty8 wrote:

I think that this story is starting to come together.

Flores has been fired for failing to "collaborate." I am fairly sure collaborate means "play the players that Grier wants to play."

It is no secret that Flores wanted Herbert, but Grier decided to draft Tua. Remember how shocked Fitzmagic was when he was benched? I am pretty sure Flo woulda given him the heads up - unless the call came from upstairs. Based on the fact that he yanked Fitzmagic twice, it is fairly apparent that the thought that Fitz was best suited to help the team win. Think back to the Raiders game. Was Flo right? Yes.

So now imagine that Fitzmagic is allowed to leave, and Grier brings in competition that is clearly not a threat to Tua. Tua, not the guy that Flores wanted, is in a game and not playing up to expectations, and Grier has left him without a viable alternative. What really is left to be done than to tell him to" f*cking play better?"

Again, there have been enough first halves in the last few weeks that Tua has underperformed that it seems warranted to be told to "f*cking play better."

I keep hearing stories about Flo being bad guy, but it seems like he is in the right most of these times.

You connected a lot of dots there. I think the part about Grier letting Fitz walk and bringing in Brissett is very telling too BTW.

"RGF wrote:

If he did give it back to Flores then he should be the one that's gone.

Because Marino never talked back to Shula?

"Sceeto wrote:

I was F-bombing him all season as well.

:knucks:

"The G Man wrote:

You connected a lot of dots there. I think the part about Grier letting Fitz walk and bringing in Brissett is very telling too BTW.

Fitz was never going to come back. I don't really understand why some of you keep pushing that.

"Silverphin wrote:

I doubt it's accurate, though. Tua has never once made excuses for his play and has always taken his share of the blame. It just reeks of a writer taking advantage of a fanbase's emotions.

What?! Miami writers don't do that. The remarkable objectivity displayed in columns (and tweets) penned by Omar, Mando and Greg Cote are the example to which every aspiring sports writer should strive to attain.

"OwesOwn614 wrote:

What?! Miami writers don't do that. The remarkable objectivity displayed in columns (and tweets) penned by Omar, Mando and Greg Cote are the example to which every aspiring sports writer should strive to attain.

As I said, I respect Hyde as a journalist. But there are so many conflicting reports coming out of this situation that there's a chance that Hyde might have just gotten it wrong.

"Fireland wrote:

Obviously people that don't like Tua will use this as an excuse to bash Tua even though there is nothing in that article that makes Tua look bad.

No. His play on the field did that.

"Rouk wrote:

I mean that article claims ross felt disrespected if thats the case flores is actually a moron lol. I cant think of a quicker way to get fired than disrespecting the owner even if he is a big ears clown shoe senile idiot.

There's two sides to that though. If Flores had already decided that he was making an exit, then he had no reason to placate to Ross's ego any longer. It is very possible that the "disrespect" was telling him the plain, honest truth...Grier is a snake and Ross is too stupid to see it.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

Because Marino never talked back to Shula?

Tua is not Marino and I bet in marinos second year, no matter how good he was, he didnt.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

Because Marino never talked back to Shula?

You're comparing situations ?
I'm going out on a limb and saying Marino's play on the field compared to Tua is light years apart.
Tua has done nothing to be in a position to question his HC about any of the decisions being made.

"RGF wrote:

You're comparing situations ?
I'm going out on a limb and saying Marino's play on the field compared to Tua is light years apart.
Tua has done nothing to be in a position to question his HC about any of the decisions being made.

I can turn around and say that Shula's coaching is lightyears ahead of Flores's, and the latter has done nothing to be in position not to be questioned about the decisions he make.

"Silverphin wrote:

I can turn around and say that Shula's coaching is lightyears ahead of Flores's, and the latter has done nothing to be in position not to be questioned about the decisions he make.

Sure you can. You can say anything you want .

I'm still sticking with the fact Tua has no credible right to back talk and question his HC.

"canesz06 wrote:

Tua is not Marino and I bet in marinos second year, no matter how good he was, he didnt.

I bet he did. Marino was a cocky SOB.

"RGF wrote:

Sure you can. You can say anything you want .

I'm still sticking with the fact Tua has no credible right to back talk and question his HC.

Flores doesn't have the right to expect to not get talked back to.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

Flores doesn't have the right to expect to not get talked back to.

HC or QB. I'm giving the HC a little more authority on this one. The HC has every right to express himself freely to get the most out of his players ESPECIALLY his QB because it all starts with him.

"Silverphin wrote:

I can turn around and say that Shula's coaching is lightyears ahead of Flores's, and the latter has done nothing to be in position not to be questioned about the decisions he make.

Players should never question their coaches, at least not openly. I doubt Marino ever talked back disrespectfully toward Shula, and certainly not in front of other players.