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Formula One Appreciation Thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Paul 13, Sep 10, 2021.

  1. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Mind you, this thread is being created when we have one of the closest competitions in the last several years (since Hamilton v Rosberg). To get us all in the spirit...





    now then, do we all have a pick for this year? will it be Hamilton? Will it be Max? Are you impartial and just want to see good racing? (like me).

    The Dutch GP was not so fun to watch as the passing was limited (really interesting looking track though). Of course the fans went nuts for Max, which was great to see.

    I'm looking forward to next year when we have Russell apparently taking over for Bottas in the 2nd Mercedes seat next to Lewis. He won't be a "nice" as Valtteri. And the new car designs should make things even more intriguing. Until then, we'll have an epic race chase on our hands.
     
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  2. Tone_E

    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Dutch GP looks like a fun circuit to drive but the race itself wasn't too exciting with the limited passing opportunities.

    I want Max to win this year so that it can be said a team beat the Merc and Hamilton dominance during the turbo hybrid era before 2022 rule changes.

    Speaking of, next year should be incredibly fun with so many unique designs and interpretations of the rules. I anticipate many different design philosophies that will eventually all merge into one generally accepted chassis and aero design over following few years. Even then teams will discover new designs and technologies to give them the edge. That is what I love most about the sport. It isn't a spec series and there's continuous development to improve the car. The evolution of the cars are never complete, be it minor track to track aero changes or fundamental changes.

    Good to see Russell finally sign with Merc - it was inevitable. He has championship calibre skills and Bottas was never a threat to Lewis. Bottas can qualify with the best of them but his racecraft is nowhere near Hamilton's. Not many people are and he's the best for a reason but if you had Leclerc or Verstappen in Bottas' seat the last two years I am sure the championship would've been much closer, or even someone else's. Even Norris who is having an incredible year would challenge Hamilton I feel.

    As a Ferrari fan I am not looking forward to Monza or any other power tracks as it is not suited for this year's car.

    Ferrari: "OK, we are checking" "Slow button on"
    Merc: "Get in there Lewis"...
     
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  3. Tone_E

    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Engine swaps may cost RB the championship I feel. Due to their crashes they may have to take grid penalties. I believe Checo took one last week after getting knocked out of Q1 did he not?
     
  4. Tone_E

    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Not sure Max deserves a 3 grid penalty for incident with Hamilton.

    Nice to see Danny Ric win one after his up and down season.

    McLaren 1-2. What year is this?
     
  5. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    That was a wild one. I really don't think the penalty is that harsh. I expect him to make it up in the next race there in Sochi. He'll likely be behind Hamilton in the race once it's made up. With the Championship being that close, it's almost like they are assuring Hamilton of being ahead of Verstappen by the middle of the race. And then from there it's back to square one. We'll see I suppose. Both cars didn't finish and scored zero points last weekend. Had Verstappen say ruined Lewis' car to the point where Max scores points and Lewis doesn't, then it would be a real talking point as far as a penalty.
     
  6. Tone_E

    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The grid places only matter when comparing Max and Lewis in a bubble. Yeah he'll make the places up but he likely won't be able to challenge Lewis for the win. Sochi is a strong Merc track generally so Max may have an even more difficult time catching him barring an incident.

    "Had Verstappen say ruined Lewis' car to the point where Max scores points and Lewis doesn't, then it would be a real talking point as far as a penalty."

    Like the incident at Silverstone? It didn't affect the decision on Lewis even though the contact took Max out and Lewis gained 25 points on him. It was a racing incident then, and the severity of the outcome had no impact on the decision not to give Lewis a penalty. Not sure why the outcome would all of a sudden matter when reviewing the Monza incident.
     
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    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    The Russian GP was.... I can't find the correct adjective. indescribable. I feel for Lando Norris. It's like God said let it rain to correct the Verstappen thing at the end didn't he? And the TV coverage was not so great in not capturing his leap up the top 10 in the closing moments of the race. I suppose it was a bit understandable considering the circumstances. Crofty mentioned it, but they barely showed it.
     
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    Crazy ending. Feel for Lando but he disobeyed team orders to box and was kind of a jerk to his engineer. He and his team thought rain wasn't going to get worse which was their undoing. Great result for Max after taking the grid penalty. I believe HAM will have to take one soon as well. They said they're running their engines to the max during this title fight and will likely need more than the allotted 4 per year.

    The TV coverage was worst I've seen in a long time, and that's saying something. They didn't even show Lando passing Sainz for the lead, among so many other overtakes. Terrible.
     
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    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Yeah for Hamilton it was the joys of being 2nd when the rain came... and also having a nice cushion behind him to 3rd to where he could pit and come back out still in 2nd. The F1 TV feed is just that, it's F1's own feed is that right? So we watch it on ESPN here in the US, which is leased coverage from Sky Sports (Crofty is the best, really glad we don't have to listen to the NBC guys anymore). But during the race, it's F1's production.
     
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  10. Tone_E

    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I watch on an IPTV box and have to watch Sky. Best commentary and analysis. I love all the personalities, even through their biases. :wink2:
     
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    Speaking of Sky, where was Martin Brundle this last race? I'm 50/50 on Paul di Resta.
     
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    Not sure where Brundle was, and I don't like Di Resta at all. Karun and Davidson are amazing. So is Rosberg as a guest commentator when he fills in.
     
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  13. Tone_E

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  14. Da 'Fins

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    Huge F1 fan since even before Schumacher. Back to Andretti.

    Big Hamilton fan for several reasons. But really love Lando and George - and Ricciardo. And appreciate Verstappen as an amazing driver. I think he is going to be tough to beat. Not as big a fan of his personally. Hoping Lando and George can become major championship contenders the next 10 years.

    Also hope that McLaren can enter the fray at the top next year. How amazing would it be to have 3-4 manufacturers competing?

    While the passing issue is a problem that I hope can be somewhat solved or improved next year, there just aren’t any better racers or cars in the world, imo.
     
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    Gotta love George and Albon representing!! Which they’d have brought us more luck!
     
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  16. Tone_E

    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No coincidence that Miami gets a GP, Ross in the stands, Miami plays in London seemingly annually, and Albon (welcome back to the F1 kid!) and Russell wearing Miami Dolphin gear. Definitely a promotion event but I love the crossover.
     
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  17. Tone_E

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    Verstappen is growing on me. I love his directness and honesty, and his race craft is much more refined and less reckless overall. Lando and George are proving to be stars in the making, if Lando isn't already. Russell will prove it once he gets his butt in the Merc as evidenced last year.

    I agree that it would be great for McLaren and Ferrari to challenge RB and Merc next year. Imagine a legit title fight with Verstappen, Hamilton, Leclerc, Norris, Russell, and Sainz? Damn, every week would be incredible. But who knows who will be strong with the new regulations coming in 2022. The entire field is going to be shuffled.
     
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    Great race yesterday. I think Mercedes should have had Hamilton come in earlier on the second pit. Probably three laps sooner to give him a shot against Verstappen at the end. That said, I don’t think he could’ve gotten close enough to actually pass because of the dirty air situation. Bottas had all sorts of trouble getting by Sainz.

    Really, the race was one and lost, imo, when Verstappen boxed the second time ahead of Hamilton and got the undercut (though he was in the lead). Hamilton probably needed to box that lap but it was early still.
     
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    Hamilton should have covered Verstappen from the start with the timing of those pits, IMO.
     
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    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yeah, great race. Too many times Hamilton made late charges for the win on fresher tires. I thought he was going to get VER to be honest, but it came down to the tightest of margins. Props to Red Bull strategists though, they made a bold call and it ended up working for them.

    EDIT: I love two stop races so much more than one stoppers.
     
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    just remembered no race in Canada again this year. That's one of my favorite tracks, certainly to race on the F1 game :lol:
     
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  22. Tone_E

    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm an idiot man. I live in Toronto and have never gone to Montreal for a GP, and only been to Quebec City once (another city in Quebec that is not Montreal). If you guys don't know, Montreal is known for some of the hottest women and best night life. Real party town. See my first sentence.
     
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  23. Da 'Fins

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    Interesting to read about Hamilton‘s comments that Bottas left the door open for Verstappen. That is the first thing I thought as they turned the corner at the end of the first stretch. It felt like Bottas was just not a good teammate imo and could easily have stayed to the left and prevent Verstappen from passing but he moved to the center as if he were letting him pass. Honestly, I think Bottas is not all in with Mercedes now that he’s moving to another team. It’s too bad they can’t just shift George there now. Or another driver in the wings. They need someone who is going to be all in as a good teammate with Lewis the rest of the year.

    Verstappen may have gotten the win still with his race pace but it also would have been a different race and different strategy.
     
  24. Da 'Fins

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    That was a pretty amazing weekend. Tons of drama. The rivalry with Marc and RB is intense. And Hamilton was just amazing.

    I think Hamilton has to win the last 3 races to win the whole thing. Simply because I don’t think anyone else can finish ahead of Verstappen.

    Ideally they would go 1-2 (Hamilton/Ver) the next two races, then they would be virtually tied (depending on fastest lap) and it would come down to the final race.
     
  25. Tone_E

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    Mercedes "win as a team and lose as a team" except when something goes wrong, then Toto blames Bottas (stopping several inches away from marking on that pit stop with the jammed gun), Hamilton blames strategist, etc. etc. #TrulyBlessed. They're easy to dislike to be honest.

    Hamilton had a super weekend but I think it highlights the drastic pace advantage the Merc had this week on this track. Last race Hamilton said repeatedly that the RB CAR was too fast, nothing he can do. Why is it a Hamilton master class when he has the absolute quickest car by a fair margin? He is also lucky it was a sprint weekend after the unfortunate wing fiasco. There is no way he starts from the back and takes the win in a normal GP, even with the car he had.
     
  26. Da 'Fins

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    Well, on Bottas, he should be blamed. To say otherwise is to ignore that, one, he moved over to allow Verstappen to pass two races ago. Multiple observers noted that mistake; and two, it ignores that, as decent as he is, he is the inferior driver and does make mistakes. He is a middle of the pack driver in F1. To be sure he plays second fiddle to Hamilton in the team but his race pace is almost always slower than Hamilton’s and his struggles to pass cars or defend are notorious. And he doesn’t protect tires near as well as Hamilton does. Defending Bottas is simply ungrounded. There’s a reason he is going to Alpha Romeo. And, arguably, the reason he is in that slot is bec of Woolf.

    When you say Hamilton blames strategist, most of those are in race situation, if you weren’t biased against him you’d also notice that Verstappen does the exact same thing even more so during races - He is constantly blaming the car set up for the strategy.. It’s simply the heat of the moment radio calls. All drivers do that.

    Few people support the team off the track more than Hamilton does. He is very positive post race with Mercedes giving them credit. And often this year Mercedes has made strategy mistakes that they’ve admitted after the fact.

    Hamilton did have the more powerful car but to argue it was not a great drive is just negative bias against him. To go from 20th to 5th and 10th to first was extremely impressive. And his tactics were exceptional as he figured out where to be relative to other cars going into drs zone 1 on Saturday.

    Verstappen, on the OTH, reverted to his borderline over the line tactics he has been notorious for going back to his first three seasons when he often wrecked other cars. Had Hamilton stayed on the track on the first pass attempt - which he was capable of doing as he demonstrated all weekend including the final pass - Verstappen would have wrecked him.

    Verstappen is a great driver. At this stage arguably the best given his prime age and Hamilton is past peak. But Max never takes the blame when he gets in wrecks others or goes over the line. He has caused more wrecks in the last five years than any F1 driver. When you compare that to drivers like Norris, Hamilton, Ricciardo, Sainz, LeClerc, those guys generally pass or defend much more fairly than Verstappen does. Just look at Hamilton and Norris when they have raced against each other. And though Leclerc makes a number of mistakes he has the humility to admit such.
     
  27. Tone_E

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    Where do I demonstrate bias against Hamilton? Seems I may have struck a nerve on this one.
     
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    Shaping up to be an all time great title fight. Merc seems to have the momentum at the moment. Hamilton wasn't even using his new engine from Brazil, which will be re-installed for the next race.

    Great to see Alonso back on the podium too. Gasly got screwed by his own team's strategy. Kind of a boring race though.
     
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    This is interesting.

     

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