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Discussion in 'Free Agency' started by GridIronKing34, Feb 26, 2012.
By the way... if anyone is looking to move up in the Draft, PM me. I'm at no. 3.
GIK, your services are needed in the Contract Restructuring Department.
Bologna. Flynn was at 5.0M when he upped my Smith bid in the final hour or so.
You're right, GiK. I'm sure it has nothing to do with him arrogantly calling me a Clemson homer and me following it up with a **** you along with some other stuff of my own. It's definitely random coincidence that he read my PM and subsequently bid on one of my target players and then removed a bid on Gregg so he could then bid on another.
I think you're looking into this way more than need be.
So bidding for a player right before the team wins, then proceeding to cut the player isn't malicious? yeah, okay bro.
cant cut players picked up in FA unless a min player. do you reaaly care about a min player?
Who cares if someone bid in the last hour? It happens to everyone. Its part of the game.
Just happened to me. Schisno bid on McQuistan 2 hours before he was mine. Smart move on his part. Smart move on my part would have been to let his bid stand, but I didn't think about it and just re-bid. MY FAULT.
Bid $460K on players then like BuckeyeKing is doing.
Learn to adapt.
People are unhappy when the cut level is 300,000 people are unhappy when it's higher. Can't win.
I'm not sorry that I feel bidding on players you don't want is a dirty tactic and abuse of a rule system.
It's a shame that 31 GMs should have to change the way they bid b/c of one person.
GIK, have you thought about upping the $85,000,000 salary cap by a few million to account for all these 460k bids you advise GMs to make in order to sidestep the problem? Thankfully there's 31 other GMs and Schis is allotted only 10 open bids, so at least a handful of 300k players will evade his "strategy".
I have a perfect solution----- Why should everyone else have to change for one person? Instead of telling 31 of us up our initial bid from 300k to 460k to counter schiz's bush league "strategy", simply change schiz's minimum bid to 501k. Problem solved. No need to punish 31 GMs by tossing some inflation into their FA cash when you can instead punish the 1 GM responsible and make him think twice about who he's bidding on.
Because thats the point of the game. I'm not sure why Schisno should be punished - hes broken no rules. You can't create rules for one person and different rules for everyone else.
Technically he hasn't but upping a bid only to drop said player is awful sportsmanship. That's my biggest complaint about it.
Its a strategy. It has advantages and disadvantages. Its up to everyone else to take advantage of his strategy.
it's not a strategy, it's a general annoyance. When you do something like that you have no interest in said player, it's just being done for the hell of it. If he kept the player then fine. But to drop the player just proves the point.
It is an annoyance, but there is only such much that can be done. I think complaining about it to GIK solves nothing. There will always be problems.
Stringer, you let him insult you in a PM that you follow up with a "**** off" and then watch him immediately up a bid on a CB you're about to win (despite him having Revis, Cromartie, and Wilson)..... and then immediately following that you watch him remove his 10th bid on Kelly Gregg so he can instead bid up the QB you're about to win (despite alredy having 4 on his roster for $10.0M). And in that short period of time, that's the only thing on ThePhins that he did--- no other posts, no nothing, just bidding up the only 2 players of yours that he could.
And then he follows it up with--- "well if it were intentional then why didn't I do it on Henne or all your other bids?" Well:
A. That would be obvious b/c that would make it 6 QBs rostered or bid on.
B. That would require him to retract another bid b/c he was at his 10 limit.
C. He has only 10M in cap space, and most of my bid-on players involved substantial money that he couldn't afford to risk getting stuck with.
So he bid on the 2 people he'd be safe with: a 350k CB that he could turn around and cut.... and a 3.1M QB whom he felt certain I'd turn around and up the bid on, taking him off the hook for it.
Advantages? What "good" does it bring the league?
Bidding $460K is not a requirement, it is simply a suggestion to avoid these type of situations. I'm not punishing someone who isn't breaking the rules.
I've ran this thing for 7-8 years now... I think I know what's best.
A lot of things are annoying. People bid up players just to raise their prices. If a player is going for $460k then nobody thinks much of him anyways. If the player is being dropped, then you can bid on him again
I think this is the first time I've ever seen you use a smiley in a post. Well done sir.
I'm sorry, I meant advantages for the person employing the strategy.
So he bid up a CB, when he already has Revis, Cromartie, and Wilson. Sounds like a poor move on his part.
He bid up a QB, when he already has 4 on his roster. Sounds like a poor move on his part.
And if you didn't up the bid, he would be screwed, right?
So you're suggesting that 31 of us to increase all our minimum bids from 300k to 460k to make up for one person going overboard with trying to ruin it for everyone else, is that correct?
No, don't make minimum bids for players you think are worth more than minimum bids.
1. Eric Wright at $300K would be a bargain. How can you blame someone for trying to add more depth when a player is going for less than they are worth?
2. His Matt Flynn bid stood at $3.0M for quite some time. I believe PSG upped it to $3.5M or something then Vengeful Odin got into it and now the price is around $7.0M or so.
3. Alex Smith is the clear-cut #2 free agent quarterback, so schisno placed a bid similar to what he originally had on Flynn at $3.1M.
4. His other quarterback options are Mark Sanchez at $8.5M along with Greg McElroy, Adam Weber, and Matt Leinart who are all under $500K. He can easily cut any of those guys.
Is it really that unrealistic to you that he finds Alex Smith an upgrade over Mark Sanchez? I would assume he would sign Smith if he is awarded him and then cut Sanchez promptly after.
I know this doesn't fit in with your conspiracy theories but you are REALLY making this situation more than it really is.
And Todd, you are a Clemson homer just as much as I am an Iowa homer. It's not a big deal that you like players that are from the school your cheer for... seriously who cares?
no, b/c whomever backs out on Flynn will do it for me.
So what you're saying is I should pass on the QB I want so that I could screw over Schis and beat him at his own game? How does that help me outside of retribution?
That makes no sense b/c others might not value a player as much as I do, so why should I overpay for a player if the market doesn't dictate it? If no one else wants a player for a 300k minimum bid, then I should get him for that. I should've have to increase my bid b/c one jack *** gets a hard on by screwing with other GM's bids and financials.
Added, there are plenty of backup caliber guys who are worth less than 500k whom you'd like the opportunity to cut if you get a replacement in the draft etc.
I'm saying that you shouldn't pay more for a player than you think he's worth. Conversely, if you feel a player is worth the amount someone else has bid on them, you can't criticize their bid.
I'm not sure how the market doesn't dictate it. Someone else is still bidding, and still receives the player.
Schisno, like everyone else, is awarded $85M in cap space, and 10 bids. He has the right to employ them as he sees fit. In the end he is the only one that has to live with the team he's created. Surely devoting his resources to blocking players from other owners will have an effect on his team.
Really, you're trying to cut corners here. There is an obvious solution to your problem with Schisno, or anyone else employing such a strategy.
Maybe the NFL should handicap the Patriots too... because Tom Brady throws too many touchdowns. I mean, throwing on teams when you're already up by 4 touchdowns is an annoyance, no? But is it against the rules?
If I called you an "Iowa homer" as a way to talk down to you and arrogantly invalidate your assessment of a player, then you wouldn't think of it as a compliment.... especially if I don't know you very well and even more so if it's in an unsolicited PM that basically criticizes your offense.
You're right, GIK. It's merely coincidence that it occurred immediately after reading an insulting return PM of my own. I like that you give this douche the benefit of the doubt in this situation despite him having a history of screwing with other GM's bid-on players. If he's done it in the past (and recently), of course he's not going to do it out of ill intent toward me after telling him off. Of course not. That would be so out of character for him, right.
the point isn't what someone thinks of a player. The point is why are players(not even a player of mine) being bid up and then dropped. That serves no purpose other then general annoyance.
And personally I have never in the three years Ive done this league bid up a player I wasn't actually interested in. But maybe that's why I kill it in FA every year because I worry about me instead of what other teams are doing. Just a thought.
Why would I criticize their bid? That has nothing to do with it. IF I feel player X is worth 550k but the rest of the league might only view him as 350k, then why should I start a bid at 550k when I can instead see what the market dictates for his value and subsequently determine of I want to pay one bid higher than the market? I shouldn't have to pay extra money just to thwart off one person with ill bidding intentions.
There are a lot of purposes behind it. Possibly to secure a player in the event that you may not be able to afford your another player you want. Possibly to block a division rival from improving their team. Its part of the game.
Exactly! So what is the problem here?
I've known him longer than you... I give you my word that the Smith/Wright thing is simply coincidental.
You don't have to start the bid at 550k. You can start it at $300k. If Schisno thinks he's worth $460k, then he can bid that much. If he thinks he's worth $0, then he still can bid $460k. Ultimately its to his detriment if he's knowingly overbidding for guys.
String, he told me himself that in the beginning he does all his cheap bidding as part of his strategy.
I don't care how it affects his team. I only care how it affects mine. Maybe that's why he does it---- b/c his team is for crap and it makes him feel better to bring others down.
Sorry but I dont see NFL teams signing tons of players and cutting them before the draft even rolls around. You won't convince me of that one.