Free at last Free at last..lets go scouting boys..

Ah yes, looking at the head to head record to decide who the better QB is. So absurd. The QB is ONE PART OF A TEAM!! I feel like I'm talking to a wall.

 

This. So much this. Agree with all of it. It should be pretty evident to fans this team has underachieved under this HC.

And I would be on board with a Todd Bowles reunion in Miami.

 

I don't understand this misconception that a coach needs X years to be successful.

It's similar to the argument I have constantly with HR Departments. The notion that people stay at one job for the duration of their careers is ludicrous. The avg length of stay at a job in 2008 was 10 years. Now? It's 3 years.

The same can be said about coaches and success. If you look at all the big names in coaching, they were all able to achieve early success. Maybe it wasn't the first year, but by the 2nd yea, you're typically seeing the playoffs.

It was one of my biggest gripes about Tannehill because the same trend is found in franchise QBs. They typically see early success that results in playoff appearances. At this point, Tannehill has his lumps, but so long as we properly manage his contract (not giving him any Jay Cutler/Tony Romo/Joe Flacco type deals, maybe more like Alex Smith), then I'm OK moving forward with him, because I believe you can win with him.

But back to coaches, the expectation should be that he can take this team - which is talented enough - to the playoffs. That should be the expectation from fans IMO.

 

that incident on the sideline with odrick and philbin sealed the deal for me, the players have no respect for that guy..its easy to say your emotions run high...yada, yada, yada....he should be dumped sooner than later

 

Yeah it's like expectations have become so dulled over the years of mediocrity that simply being in the playoff hunt at some point in the season is now viewed by some fans as a successful season or a good job by the head coach, regardless of what the talent of the team suggests it's capable of.

 

Someone should show this to Stephen Ross.

 

I agree. Hell, we had people on here a few weeks ago already calling this season a success. It seems we are so very eager, as a fan base, to jump on any improvement as a success. Then we get mad at writers or talking heads..or even other phin fans as clueless when they say or write things that put this team is a lesser light.

 

I'm all for Rex Ryan. I've been a big fan of his for years. But it is an absolute necessity that he's paired with a good offensive coordinator. And a GM who can pick a QB.

 

Let me open up another can of worms ... do we remember the 2008 NFL Draft , I'm sure we all do and off course I know there is nothing we can do now , but I would like to just reflect on what we could have had, so to the draft 2008 first pick , "Jack Long " Good tackle , always hurt, should have never picked, a tackle with the first pick this could have waited and he is no longer with us either... lets see what QB's were sitting there for the picking , HMMMMM "Matt Ryan" " Joe Flacco" wow and let me see they have been both to the playoffs several times and Flacco has won the SB. Than the first pick of the 2nd which still is like a first round pick , we pick "Philip Merling" 'BUST" when could, have picked a good tackle here and had or Franchise QB with the first pick. That year we had 2 picks in the 2nd round the second was "Chad Henne " "BUST" we could have picked up another good OL person , than the 3 rd round "Kendall Langford" BUST, could have chosen a CB here there were some good ones that were chosen between the 3 and 4 rounds , than of course there always Sean Smith whom we should have never let go which was the next year...4th round as I stated for the 3rd another CB , we picked some Guard that is no longer playing.. we didn't have pick in the 5th , the 6 round we had Erick Walden ILB, who is still playing and starting , so not sure why we traded him, than or other picks in the 6th were Donald Thomas and Lex Hilliard , who are both no longer playing than Nate Garner "BUST" and than Lionel Dotson, who ever that is. This of course as we know was thanks to good Jeff Ireland , who was a epic Failure as a GM ... All I'm saying DPHANS , is I hope that we don't have to rebuild again , but feel it is going to happen.

 

Yes, he certainly advocated looking at head to head records, and playoffs to compare the two.

 

Matt Ryan has required significant playmakers alongside him to be successful. Joe Flacco has had a dominant run game and defense to help him (not this year, obviously). I don't think that Matt Ryan or Flacco is really a serious upgrade to Tannehill, certainly not when you take all the factors into account (limited college starts, offensive line woes, league leading drops by receivers, folding defense, etc).

 

Just to put it into perspective, these are our losses this year:

Aaron Rodgers (Super Bowl MVP)
Peyton Manning (Super Bowl MVP)
Joe Flacco (Super Bowl MVP)

Lions (#1 defense in the league)
Chiefs (2013 Play-off team, great coach, desperate after 0-2 start)

Bills (tough divisional opponent who we later beat)



While we had some 4th quarter leads, we weren't able to run the ball when we needed to eat clock and our defense failed us for the first time in several seasons.

Those are fixable.

 

That was all the doing of the douche Parcells, but I get your point.

 

That's exactly why we have to avoid rebuilding over and over again at all costs.

When you do that you're always looking to overhaul a roster.

There is no worse mistake a franchise can make than what the Dolphins did during the past decade.

 

Agreed. There is a darn good reason that Flacco is a Super Bowl MVP.

He really is a quality QB when it comes to answering to the demands of the NFL game.

He's big, tall, stands well in the pocket and delivers the ball beautifully downfield. He also remains very calm late in the game.

In defense of Tannehill, Flacco has had a lot of experience to become who he is today.

 

Kendall Langford isn't a bust.

 

This is a bunch of excuse-making WADR. To put it into real perspective, what do you think would happen if we were to make the playoffs and wanted to reach the Super Bowl? Do you think the NFL would take pity by allowing us to bypass the actual playoff teams and let us play 3 games against Oakland, Tennessee, and Jacksonville instead? Gimme a break. Rex Ryan didn't need your excuse-making to reach the AFC Championship game twice with Mark Sanchez, and he did it by going 2-1 against Peyton Manning, 3-2 against Brady, and beating them in back-to-back weeks in the playoffs, ON THE ROAD no less.

Tony Sparano's lesser talented team was able to defeat Rodgers on his home turf. Philbin didn't lose to Rodgers because Rodgers flat out beat him. Joe allowed Rodgers to beat him because his team lost focus late in the 4th qtr and his butt got out-coached. Absolving Philbin of that game just b/c Rodgers was on the other side is flat out ridiculous.

....and absolving Philbin just because Detroit's #1 D was on the other side is equally as ridiculous. Tannehill, Lazor, and the offense scored on 3 straight possessions to own a late 4th qtr lead. Detroit's #1 D was on the bench when their 24th ranked scoring offense outplayed Miami's 7th ranked scoring D to win the game, the same 24th ranked offense that Arizona and New England held to 6 and 9 pts the subsequent two weeks.

Joe Flacco? C'mon. Stop throwing out modifiers like "SB MVP" as if that suddenly un-Flacco's him. He's still Joe Flacco, not Joe Montana.

Chiefs? yup, you said it- great coach. If Miami had a great coach, you wouldn't be recognizing Andy Reid in a way suggestive that he provides an inherent coaching advantage over Miami. The 2-12 Titans and 2-12 Raiders didn't need excuses to beat KC.

I couldn't care less if the Bills are a "tough divisional opponent". How is that any different than every other team that has "tough divisional opponents" to go through to reach the playoffs or win their division? Great coaches with ample roster talent [like Miami has] win those games.

Perhaps you should write Roger Goodell and see if he'll omit playoff caliber teams and great QBs from our schedule next year since apparently no other team has to go through them to reach the post season. Philbin is 3-6 this year against teams in the playoff hunt. If you believe it's acceptable to lose that many against them, which you do, then by default you're essentially suggesting that Philbin isn't a playoff caliber coach.

yet Philbin hasn't fixed them, and this wasn't the first time that Philbin's team failed him defensively with 4th qtr leads. It's become a chronic issue.

 

OH YEAH !!! another thing what about or Newest BUST "Dion Jordan... moved to pick 2 to get this Guy and he done nothing except get put on suspension for drugs ....

 

Giving credit to your opponents when they are better is only logical.

I want the Dolphins to become as good as those teams.

Our roster has steadily improved and I see us getting to 10-wins next year.

Why would I remove Philbin when getting to 10-wins next season is not much of a liberal estimation?

 

Please stop spreading disinformation. A roster overhaul is not a prerequisite of a new coach unless the roster needs overhauling, which this one doesn't. Plenty of successful coaches have won with existing rosters without any need for an overhaul, but rather simply tweaking what needs to be tweaked in order to take the next step, which Philbin has seemingly been unable to do. More importantly, however, is the fact that it doesn't matter how good a roster is if the coach can't reach the playoffs with it.

wrong again. The mistake Miami made was being unable to find a suitable head coach, not providing those unsuitable coaches more time to flounder about. I mean seriously, do you honestly think if Miami gave Cam Cameron and Tony Sparano more time that Miami would now be a perennial Super Bowl contender?

 

because we should've already been there last year, and now for the second year in a row it seems we'll be missing out on a playoff trip that we should be attending. Miami should've easily been a 10 win team this year, yet now they have to win 3 straight to reach that "milestone". If Joe can't get it done this year, with this talented team, and with the 4th qtr leads he's had, what makes you assume he'll suddenly change and get it done next year? What, are you thinking about the additions that could be made to the roster, the further development of our players, and Tannehill and the offense's continued improvement? If that happens it would elevate us to Super Bowl caliber. You don't see the inherent problem with that?... that Philbin would need a Super Bowl caliber team just to break 10 wins and reach the playoffs, whereas great coaches are able to reach the playoffs with playoff caliber teams and overachieving, sub playoff caliber ones?

 

WADR, WHY must we keep comparing Tannehill to established veterans our HoFers? I mean, it literally makes no sense. Tannehill came out very raw, and unpolished. We ALL knew that it was going to take time developing him. He has progressed EVERY DAMN YEAR, to the point that he has a 93 rating, 21 tds and 9ints. Now, we're supposed to abandon him because he isn't playing like a 6/7 year NFL starter who also had four years starting in college? Absurd. That is the only word that comes to mind when reading this stuff. You all forget how little anyone thought about Flacco a year or two ago. You all forget the scrutiny Stafford has been under forever. You forget that Rodgers sat for four years. Ditto Brady on sitting. You forget that Brady was, supposedly, a dink and dunk specialist that couldn't throw a deep ball. You forget that Brees was so bad that San Diego drafted Rivers. I could go on and on. Stay the course with Tannehill, give him an AVERAGE line, a deep threat who can actually adjust to a ball, and watch him light the world on fire.

 

No one on EARTH had us winning any more than 10 games this year. Most predicted 7-8 wins, the 6 and unders outnumbered the 9 and overs. If you don't like Philbin, fine. Neither do I. But acting like 9-7 is some epic failure is pretty weak.

 

When Miami fixes it's O-line, it will be in the Play-offs.

Their QB and skill position players are too good for that not to happen.

Albert and James were huge additions.

Fix the Guards and Miami will be in the Play-offs.

 

A physical RB would be nice. A guy that Lazor could use to hammer defenses, creating more opportunities for Tannehill to leak out on keepers, more play action and down field passing. Throw in a WR who's better after the catch to pair with Wallace and Landry. We'll be in good shape.

 

I think the improvement rests rather on whether the team can get playmakers at receiver who can be elusive, play in space, get yards after the catch, and threaten to take short passes the distance. If Tannehill is going to be the QB, the athleticism and playmaking ability has to happen at the receiver position, and we're talking about Percy Harvin/Sammy Watkins types who can get the ball and run with it. The improvement on offense rests far more on increased athleticism at receiver than on giving Tannehill more time to throw with better guard play. Tannehill is going to throw short either way, and plays need to be made by the guys who catch those balls.

 

I think the need for DT is under-appreciated with the fans.

Now that Soliai is long gone and Randy Starks is on his last legs, we're starting to feel our defense soften up the middle.

The team's future is a bit too reliant on Odrick and Mitchell at the moment for my taste.

It's a bit crazy but if somehow losing Wake meant getting Suh I'd be pretty happy. Suh probably won't get out of Detroit though.

 

Plugging holes sounds so simple...and yet it hardly ever works because more holes open every year, and everyone gets hit with injuries that open even more. Again...even the best teams this year have weak units. They just have big difference-makers and strong coaching to make up for it.

Blasphemy.

 

A lot depends on A. Johnson.

 

I love it. I'm a Clemson guy so you don't need to tell me about Sammy Watkins. With he and Spiller going to Buffalo, I died a little inside, haha.

I think we fix the Guard situation and we're play-off caliber. It's hurt Tannehill's ability to climb the pocket and push the ball down the seam a lot this year. We've seem sort of those beautiful throws he can fit into tight converge going up the seam. You can't get that on a reliable basis without improving the interior of the O-line. We'll never be able to compete with the better DTs if the league is we don't improve that area sad the say.

Not to mention we can't run the ball well late in games, which is part of why we avoid it. That's sort of a chicken or the egg situation if you ask me.

If we exchange some of our current WRs for guys like you mentioned though, who knows how good we could be?!

 

What do you mean by that?

 

A. Johnson is a DT who had 3rd round talent and has shown to have some ability. Of course it also depends if they resign Odrick. Which I would like.

They do need to replace Starks. He just doesn't have it anymore. He is breaking down.