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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Dec 7, 2014.

  1. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    Tannehill's deep passing game is horrible. There's no denying that.
     
  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    chances are were going home for the playoffs again, folks are gonna talk about why they think that is, and not being able to connect on one deep, in rhythm pass, may be partly why don't ya think?
     
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  3. Piston Honda

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    Our offense isn't designed to attack down field, which is wise given the players we have, Tannehill included. Imo our big play ability is more likely to come from finding guys who can create after the catch on the shorter throws.
     
  4. Fins Hipster

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    And unfortunately it appears to be explained by a whole lot more than a "catch radius." Something as small as a foot or two either way isn't making the Dolphins downfield pass offense this much worse than the NFL norm.
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    we really don't have players that have great stop and start quickness except landry, so saying that our offense is predicated on that isn't very sound..I don't agree with your first sentence, every offense has deep route trees and concepts..I think its more of a matter of failure at the task when opps arise by the players involved, mixed in with anxiety, and overcome by conservatism.
     
  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Jordy nelson has 7 tds of 40 plus yards..

    Our longest TD pass is 21 yards.
     
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  7. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    I agree we don't have guys with short area quickness and tackle breaking ability, I'm saying we need to find those guys be it in the draft of FA.
     
  8. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    and thats fine but it seems your sweeping the deep route trees under the rug by telling me our offense is predicated on a quick offense..if you and I know that we don't have yak players to be designing an offense round those concepts, I would think lazor does as well, I also think he understands that we are a weak deep passing offense so he's probably frustrated.
     
  9. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    That is the best ever.
     
  10. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    no worries though, our offense isnt designed for that.

    sorry, had to go there, i understand we don't have those type of caliber players at those two positions, but can a brother get 1.
     
  11. slickj101

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    Aaron Rodgers also typically has a ton of time to throw. Case in point, last night.
     
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  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    very true, all the parts involved suck at the deep ball.
     
  13. ckparrothead

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    Tannehill Accuracy (Catches + Drops) on Deep Balls to Wallace (2013 to Present): 13 of 56 (23%)
    Tannehill Accuracy (Catches + Drops) on Deep Balls to Everyone Else (2012 to Present): 41 of 94 (44%)

    For those keeping track.

    The fact of the matter is Tannehill's deep ball compares with everyone else's in terms of accuracy when you look at the times he throws to someone other than Mike Wallace.

    And this is a sticky, persistent trend. He was 22 of 51 (43%) without Wallace in 2012, then he was 13 of 28 (46%) in 2013, and now 6 of 15 (40%) in 2014.
     
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  14. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Why not when we have Mike Wallace? The biggest part of his game is going down field. Should have never signed him and just kept Brandon Marshall.
     
  15. Dolfan330

    Dolfan330 My wein is so chaffed...

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    The myth that Ryan can't throw the deep ball exists even with these facts. People see what they want to see.
     
  16. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Longest TD pass of the year is 21 yards. That's a fact. What do you consider deep? 15 yards?
     
  17. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. Id be super frustrated if I were Lazor. He lost his power run game after one week, lost his pass pro anchor vs Detroit, and he's been scrambling to compensate ever since.
     
  18. Fin-Omenal

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    Idc if he throws and completes a deep ball too ANYONE...I just wanna see some aggressive QB'ng and not checking your way down to a 70% completion rate.
     
  19. Fins Hipster

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    Last night they played against one of the worst pass defenses in the league, with one of the worst defensive lines in the league. When Ryan Tannehill plays against teams such as those, he gets more time, too. However, there is no change in his downfield game in those instances.
     
  20. Fin-Omenal

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    What are you considering a deep ball with these stats? I think Todd had a similar breakdown with diff numbers
     
  21. Fins Hipster

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    Are the throws to Wallace farther in the air and therefore harder to complete?
     
  22. heylookatme

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    You need to understand that he's not necessarily 'checking down' on these throws. This offense is designed to dink and dunk. When we send 2-3 players out on pass routes of 5 yards or shorter, that's a pass play designed to get 5 yards.
     
  23. Dolfan330

    Dolfan330 My wein is so chaffed...

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    Why just this year? I've seen him throw beautiful downfield TDs to Clay. I've seen perfect passes to Hartline that could have gone the distance if he hadn't tripped on his shadow. I've seen Mike Wallace fail to catch passes that him square in the hands. He needs to work on it, but let's not act like the last few years he hasn't done his job.
     
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  24. Piston Honda

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    I agree, a Marshall type WR would be a much better fit.
     
  25. Fins Hipster

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    We'd have to know whether those things happen disproportionately more for Tannehill than for other QBs to know whether they have any import in accounting for his performance. Certainly other QBs aren't the beneficiaries of perfect play around them.
     
  26. Fin4Ever

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    To me a deep ball is not 25 yards. It is at least 40+ yards. Does anyone have the numbers for 40+ yards completion % ? Thank You.
     
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  27. Fin4Ever

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    I think that you cannot take the deep Quick 6 out of the game plan. When you do it makes other teams job much easier. I for one am sick of it. We have to find a way to correct this. Deej?
     
  28. resnor

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    Whether they happen to other QBs or not doesn't change the fact that they happened to Tannehill. I know what you're trying to do, but I'm not playing. Tannehill has been let down time and time again by his receivers on the deep ball. He may not throw the greatest deep ball of all time, but he certainly should have had more completions than he has.
     
  29. Dolfan330

    Dolfan330 My wein is so chaffed...

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    I don't care about other QBs, to be honest. Tanne misses throws. It's no secret. But when he does make a great throw, it would be nice to have WRs that can make plays.
     
  30. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    This thread has evolved
     
  31. resnor

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    The easiest way of correcting the deep stuff is to get a WR who runs good routes, adjusts well to the ball, and is physical. We're not having this conversation if Tannehill had a Benjamin or a Watkins that he was throwing to.
     
  32. Fin4Ever

    Fin4Ever Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Deej......

    I KNOW YOU ARE THINKING!!!


    KEEP YOUR COMPOSURE!

    HE DOES' NT KNOW YOU...HE JUST THINKS HE DOES....LOL
     
  33. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Yep a big possession wide receiver who can make yards after the catch. Marshall would be the perfect fit for the dink and dunk offense they want to run. Wallace unfortunately can't use his greatest strength in this offense. So bringing him in and paying him all that money is apparently a waste.
     
  34. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    We don't draft beasts. We seek good players.
     
  35. Fin4Ever

    Fin4Ever Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Exactly Res and we need to draft 2 of them. Would be great if we could also hit gold with all of our picks as well as our UDFA in 2015.
     
  36. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Hmmm, how to go about this...whatta you mean?

    Do you not think any part of this is Ryan's fault?
     
  37. Fin-Omenal

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    I thought it was an OL problem....make up your mind
     
  38. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    alright I gotcha, you Want the coach back because you feel we were to injury riddled for him to be fairly judged?
     
  39. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yes physically Ryan has all the tools to throw the football deep..however, mentally he's over thinking it and not relaxed.
     
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  40. djphinfan

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    we need our oline to protect, and our qb to relax his sphincter, see it, and just throw the freakin football, stop trying to put a certain trajectory on it, just throw it with your natural arc which is medium to low..

    heres the problem imo...Ryan is not a natural touch thrower of the football, but when it's time to go deep, he tries to be.
     

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