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Funny thing about "release time" .....

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Rock Sexton, Oct 29, 2015.

  1. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Remember the discussion about Tanny not having enough time to throw the football .......

    T'would appear some of the league's better decision makers this year (sans Manning) are getting rid of the ball at an amazingly quick pace. If I remember correctly, these times are even shorter than how fast Tanny was being pressured.

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  2. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    There was another chart that showed Brady at 2.08, and RT at 2.12. Not sure what it was from though.
     
  3. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    That was release times from this past weekends games. Thill was the second fastest last week.
     
  4. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Ah OK...thanks.
     
  5. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    It says "FROM THIS SEASON".
     
  6. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    He was talking about my post.
     
  7. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Um... release time, doesn't exactly mean time to being pressured by the defense...

    I'm not really sure of the point you're trying to prove here, somehow... I'm not sure you know what it is either.

    QB's in quick read/pass offenses, obviously will release passes early regardless of pressure.

    Are you trying to say, that because Tannehill isn't in the top 5 in release time, that he is facing less pressure and has more time? Because uh, you're using the wrong stats here if that's your goal. All these numbers are showing, is QB's, who are throwing the ball the quickest which is more indicative of a short passing offense, than anything else.

    I really don't get your point here, other than to start another useless thread and discussion surrounding Tannehill, which of course will lead to the same pointless arguments in other threads.

    These numbers are pretty irrelevant for the argument you're trying to make.
     
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  8. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Funny thing indeed.
     
  9. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    I remember when they were saying that 2.2 seconds isn't enough time, what do you expect him to do, and so forth, now they're bragging on it, lol.
     
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  10. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Hahaha I know.
     
  11. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    You're over-complicating it to marginalize the statistic.

    We were told last season 2.23 seconds is not enough time to consistently get the ball off ..... YET we see some of the games best QB's this season are doing it, some even quicker. Pretty simple stuff here.
     
  12. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    The argument was that 2.2 wasn't enough time to let timing routes develop downfield.
     
  13. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    No. It was to get the ball out in its entirety.
     
  14. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I feel bad when Tannehill gets compared to the league's more experienced and proven passers in any category because I doubt he ever lives up to that. I mean, Brady and Rivers are damn good and Tannehill can't even audible or so it seems. For Tannehill to win 10+ games in a single season the way those guys have, he's probably going to need a run-heavy, play-action type of offense that allows his to throw over top of the LBs and basically plays down his lesser areas.
     
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  15. cbrad

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    Yeah, I think we can win with Tannehill, but he's nowhere near Brady (especially in the ability to lead a team to victory when it counts).
     
  16. number21

    number21 Active Member

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    Dude...Are you enjoying this because you can crap on Tannehill? Cause I'm getting that feeling.
     
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  17. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    I'm a Dolphin fan first and foremost. I care what happens to the team, not one particular player.
     
  18. number21

    number21 Active Member

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    Is that so? Cause you're going wild in the game thread but whatevers.
     
  19. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Going wild about what exactly? Show me please. Only comment I made about poor play was on the Matthews INT.
     
  20. number21

    number21 Active Member

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    Just enjoying that we're down so you can show up the Tannehill "defenders"?
     
  21. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    How could I enjoy being down? This is what I mean by being a DOLPHINS fan, not a Tannehill fan. I've been a fan longer than you've been alive or able to put together coherent sentences on the internet.
     
  22. number21

    number21 Active Member

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    Not sure why you're getting into personal attacks but okay. It's what I saw man.
     
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  23. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    PM me if you'd like to discuss it further.
     
  24. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    No, you're over-simplifying it in order to marginalize the play.
    New England's #1 pass catcher, Edelman: 11.2 YPR.
    #3 pass catcher, Lewis: 9.8 YPR
    #4 pass catcher, Amendola: 11.6 YPR
    #5 pass catcher, Dobson: 10.8 YPR

    How long do you think it takes to get the ball out to these guys in Brady's dink-dunk offense that took him YEARS to master?!


    Miami's top 5 receivers on the other hand:
    #1 Landry: 11.0 YPR
    #2 Matthews: 15.8 YPR
    #3 Cameron: 13.1 YPR
    #4 Miller: 10.2 YPR
    #5 Stills: 14.7 YPR
    It takes YEARS for QBs to become chess masters before the snap, and it's that ability that allows them to dissect defenses with an efficient dunk-dunk passing game like we've witnessed from Brady & Manning. 75% of Manning's record-setting season was courtesy of a dink-dunk passing ga,e that he used his pre-snap mastery to execute. Philip Rivers might be getting rid of the ball quickly, but it took him a decade to become a chess master. Prior to that he was in a vertical-oriented offense that would've never seen him averaging 2.22 seconds per pass.
     
  25. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    How many years exactly? What is the magical number?
     
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  26. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    It took Brady about 8 years. Took Brees roughly 9. Rivers & Roethlisberger about 10. Manning's special season was 15 years into his career. During Peyton's first 13 years he surpassed 33 TDs just once. He did it 3 straight years in Denver starting at the age of 36 with a bad neck and weak arm, and I'm guessing his time away from action allowed him to take the mental level of his game to new heights.
     
  27. Rock Sexton

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    Riiiiiiiiight.
     
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  28. dWreck

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    I love stuff like this, cause Tannehill isn't going anywhere, and rightfully so.
     
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  29. ToddPhin

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    Clearly you have no understanding of the pre-snap game and at what point these QBs began to master it.... but feel free to persist in talkin' out your arse.
     
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  30. Rock Sexton

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    I'm not saying anything actually. Waiting for you to prove to me that the light went off in those other QB's heads in the years you mentioned other than you just picking those numbers out of thin air.
     
  31. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Makes half the **** you say even more embarrassing and sad.
     
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  32. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    :thumbdown:
     
  33. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Rofl. You spew that BS and then this is all you got? LOL. I'm "SO MUCH OLDER THAN YOU" Wow, good stuff.... shocker no one respects or listens to you.
     
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  34. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Great. Thanks.
     
  35. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    You're welcome.
     
  36. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Don't need to prove anything to you. If you're having difficulty with addition in the 8th grade, then find a tudor b/c you're not worth my time b/c it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand when the current great QBs' careers really started to take off.

    But I'll be nice and throw you a bone.
    Brady's seasonal avg as a starter through his 7th year in the NFL: 88.4 Rating, 61.9% completion, 3593 yards, 24 TD, 13 INT... and 2 of his 3 highest Yards Per Completion were during this period. Never threw more than 28 TDs, only once threw for 4k yards, and never surpassed a 93 rating..... and the SB seasons were won on the backs of outstanding defensive play while Brady was a bit more of a game-manager.

    Obviously it requires more time to throw when a QB has to go through progressions to identify the correct matchup like Tannehill does, whereas the seasoned Brady, Rivers, Brees, Manning, Rodgers, etc frequently identify the matchup before the snap, thus allowing them to get the ball out quicker.
     
  37. Rock Sexton

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    Brees had a 104.8 rating and a 12.2 per completion in year 4
    Rivers had a 105.5 rating and a 12.8 per completion in year 5
    Big ben had a 104.1 rating and a 11.9 per completion in year 4
    Manning had a 121.1 rating and a 10.2 per completion in year 7

    Actually Manning is the one among those QB's who took a while to get going. Surprisingly.
     
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  38. brandon27

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    Bingo.

    Can we return the bridge it's resident now?
     
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  39. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    of course he is.
     
  40. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    cant you just post on patriots boards. they would love you there
     

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