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Garrard loves up-tempo Dolphins offense

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  1. dolfan7171

    dolfan7171 Well-Known Member

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  2. Killer Bees

    Killer Bees Bringin' the Ruckus

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    Yeah man can't wait to see them on the field, no more of that boring play calling.
     
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  3. Fin-Omenal

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    Hmm let's just eliminate any element of surprise for Houston and give Wade Phillips even more information. GENUIS.
     
  4. padre31

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    Well, I like Garrard, he is a really positive person.

    As for the offense, I'm glad we are getting some information, but also think the up tempo stuff will also wear out our defense with 3 and outs.
     
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  5. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    If you're doing offense right, you shouldn't have many three and outs.
     
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  6. unifiedtheory

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    But if we have many 3 and outs we are cooked because our defense will be right back on the field.
     
  7. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    In that case we aren't doing offense right are we? Also that isn't really true. Part of playing defense is getting yourself off the field and having rotational depth along the line. Noty to mention a lot of formation substitutions. Plus the advantage of going against the type of fast paced offense in practices. They will be fine.
     
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  8. ckparrothead

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    I would be prepared for all this talk of hurry up to not amount to much come October/November/December.

    There's really no downside to having the players practice like they're going to snap the ball with 33 seconds left on the play clock, this early in the process. It keeps everyone on their toes, puts more pressure on them to make sure they know what they're doing every second. It gets them used to game speed, chaos, etc. Also, when you get right down to it, you like to know you have the hurry up in your arsenal. It's a win for everyone, whether this is really going to be your offensive identity or not.

    And early in the season, you very well could spring this fast attack on a team or two and catch them before they've woken up and realized real football has begun. Teams that don't practice with urgency, they won't be ready to start the year against well oiled machines any more than Miami was against New England in Week 1.

    But after a few weeks, I'm not sure how often you'll be able to spring that on an opponent and actually have it work.

    Still, I like it as a training method.
     
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  9. thisperishedmin

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    I had the same thought...even if it isn't a week in week out on the field thing - its a great practice methodology to keep everyone on their toes. Also goes a long way in hopefully fixing our DISMAL 2 minute offense of the last few years.

    If we practice like this all off season - maybe our team comes out looking more like the pats or gb vs no game to open the season last year, than the cluster**** miami dolphins we were last season. I'm NOT saying were going to be as good as GB/NE/NO, just that hopefully we have that same look of confidence, experience, and understanding the perennial teams have.

    Again, another indicator of the new coaching staff "doing all the right things". Sure hope it pays off and its not just our delusional hopes and dreams as fans with a new carrot to chase haha :knucks:
     
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  10. Larry Little

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    More and more teams are going no huddle. Some say the huddle may become a thing of the past. I seriously doubt that would ever happen, but... you never know. It's an effective way to limit defensive substitution, and to take advantage of personnel mismatches. However, you do need versatile (and well-conditioned) players who can play multiple roles on offense to run it, or you're also limiting the ways you can attack the defense.
     
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  11. GARDENHEAD

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    As if they won't be doing this in the preseason? C'mon, the element of surprise in the NFL is nonexistent, unless you're pulling something totally crazy out of your *** like the Wildcat. If we're gonna be this up-tempo team, we're gonna be doing this in the preseason to make sure we're good at it.
     
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  12. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    David Garrard loves the tempo huh? Thats nice, hopes he likes the view from the sideline....
     
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  13. ckparrothead

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    Exactly. There's no downside to it.
     
  14. Onehondo

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    If our defense is playing well there will be a lot of three and outs for their offense, taking our defense off the field and putting our offense back on the field.
     
  15. Sam

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    A fast paced offense will also limit what the defense can do, scheme-wise and speed-wise...and if RT should start sooner than later, it may/should help speed-up the adjustment period.
     
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  16. sandcastle

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    Position flexibility and depth are likely as important components of the offensive philosophy as tempo. The staff hopes to gain a match-up advantage and use tempo to prevent the defense from substituting.

    There's been news reports with the WR playing multiple position and RBs lining up in the slot. Likewise, I think we see drives where Fasano or Clay play both as inline TE and FB; while a flex TE is used mostly as a receiver where their height/jumping ability provides a deep threat. Hopefully, this proves to be much more successful than trying to hit Marshall, Hartline, Bess, or Fasano on a longer route.
     
  17. Pandarilla

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    He'll run it and like it...
     
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  18. Conuficus

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    Its not like there isn't any film of this offense anyways. Its not like Wade Phillips can't watch any of what we'll do in preseason, or anything of what Sherman did while at Texas A&M. And considering Garrard isn't saying anything really different than what Philbin said about being an up tempo team when he was introduced.

    Its not as if Philbin and Sherman are going to anything the league hasn't seen before. And, even if they do, it won't take the league long to figure out how to stop it - in much the same fashion as they did with the WC. Given Phillips experience, its doubtful he's surprised by scheme very much. You'll catch him out obviously, as with every coach, but most of the coaching staffs we'll face are littered with good coaches, who won't be all that surprised in my opinion.
     
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  19. Shamboubou

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    Not only that buy you can trap defenses on the field with the ability to either pass or run from the same personnel grouping. They go big to stop the run you spread it out and pass, they go small and you pound them. Sounds great in theory, lets just hope out comes together on the field like that.
     
  20. Alex44

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    The drafting of Tannehill gives him a 200% larger chance of winning the job than he previously had. If you go into the season with just Moore and Garrard you are kind of "married" to Moore because of the age factor. If the talent is even close you go with Moore because you absolutely HAVE to see what he brings to the table in this offense. However now the team is NOT married to Moore in any sense, if Garrard simply out performs him by the slimmest of margins the job will be his. That is more likely than some people think.
     
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  21. jw3102

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    The only problem with an up tempo offense is that if the offense doesn't get a lot of first downs or score points in this type offense, it leaves your own defense on the field for the majority of the game. So the Dolphins better be effective in this type offense or the only defense which will be, "worn out quickly and early", is their own defense.
     
  22. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    I love the idea of playing a base offense without a huddle. Just because you’re ready to snap the ball at the 33 second mark doesn’t mean you have to. The possibility alone could create a distinct advantage.

    As CK stated earlier, this could just be a training method designed to instill a sense of urgency as a matter of habit, but I find the idea of calling plays like a 3rd base coach very intriguing.
     
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  23. ckparrothead

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    Something Garrard said in this interview stood out to me when I initially listened to it.

    As a warning, here was my assessment of David Garrard as a player and how he'll fit into Joe Philbin's offense, written on March 19th the day it was announced that he was a Miami Dolphin:

    I put that out there as full disclosure in case someone decides that I'm sort of seeing things through that lens and reading into things what I want to read. That's possible.

    However during the interview he said that while he was away from the game he took a look at the new offenses that were running up and down the field versus the ones that weren't having as much success and he thought the differences were mostly little 3 and 4 yard plays here and there, checkdowns to the back, runs that gain 3 and 4 yards, plays that keep teams on schedule rather than getting them into 2nd and 3rd and long, etc...rather than taking a sack or a negative play.

    That was significant to me.

    As I assessed two months ago, David Garrard operated with a mentality that did not fit what Joe Philbin and Mike Sherman will want to do. Garrard operated with a mentality that said those big sacks are OK because I also create big plays off my scrambling and improv ability. You could see it in the way he played the game, but he also just flat out told the broadcast crews as much during their pre-game meetings.

    I predicted that Joe Philbin would attempt to convince Garrard to rein that mindset in. It appears that may be the case, but Garrard may have already had that revelation even before he signed with the Dolphins. If that is true, it's not hard to see why Philbin was so quick to sign David after Flynn bolted for Seattle. Philbin is naturally going to be attracted to a David Garrard, with his skill set, that has decided that he needs to rein in his improvisation and be less big play oriented. It's easier to get that player to change in the way you want him to change, if you know he already believes he needs to do that.

    All the more reason I believe David Garrard emerges from camp as the starter, if he stays healthy...which unfortunately is a big IF.

    As a bonus, I also said this on the same day:

     
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  24. ckparrothead

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    Another thing that I think has been mentioned but is really interesting to me is Jerome Messam's revelation that they're not even really "calling" plays, everything has been signals.

    That's pretty interesting.
     
  25. djphinfan

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    Barring Tannehill taking over everyone in training camp, it looks like the winner of the Moore/garrard battle will get the start, and the other either moved on for a late draft pick, or released, I don't see a scenario where Tanehill comes in third place and gets third team reps. Anyone else?
     
  26. ckparrothead

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    I don't think they'll do that. I think Tannehill is the backup regardless of what happens with Moore or Garrard. One of those two is likely not to be here.
     
  27. djphinfan

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    That's what I said..I think..yup.
     
  28. Da 'Fins

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    I think this does have a key for the whole season; it's just speeding up the tempo of the offense on a regular basis (not just a 'hurry-up' two minute drill). This is significantly distinct from the Dolphins under Sparano. It's not going to set the world on fire and talent will be needed, but I think what it will do is make the Dolphins offense more formidable than in the past few seasons (where, arguably, the wild-cat was the best thing they had going) and that the up-tempo WCO will utilize the talent more effectively.

    I am very excited about the talent (though I think another bonafide starting WR will still need to be added in in the future) and coaching of the offense. But, I'm not expecting us to be putting up 30+ a game this year. It's a growing process. We have a lot of young players and a new system. That's not going to be running like a well-oiled machine this year. And, even though Tannehill knows the offense he is not used to the NFL by any means.

    I actually like the QB set up and if Garrard is healthy he will compete. He throws a great ball and this is the best offense he's been in so that should be a very interesting competition. I wonder about his mobility and durability b/c of his back, but otherwise it should be a solid competition at QB and I like that.

    Really looking forward to pre-season games just to see all these players.

    The next two + months will, as always, from a football standpoint, be a drag.
     
  29. ckparrothead

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    Totally misread that. Sorry.
     
  30. vt_dolfan

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    I think a good name for the offense is the "hurricane"....It seems like this offense is going to bit fast paced and relentless...bearing down on the defense and never letting up....

    Cant wait to see the first pre season game.....
     
  31. jw3102

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    I think Garrard will end up as the starter and it will be Moore who is sent on his way. I think what Moore did as a backup QB last season was very good, but he never showed that he could be productive for a full game against the better teams on the Dolphins schedule.

    If Garrard is healthy and he is able to be as effective as he was prior to his back injury, I just feel that Philbin and Sherman will want to go with him as their starting QB. They were not here when Moore was the QB last year and Garrard was signed once they came to the team. I think Garrard will turn out to be a more effective WCO QB than Moore and if Tannehill is slated to be the number two QB on the roster this season, I just don't see the Dolphins keeping Moore around as a third string QB at his salary.
     
  32. Alex44

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    Moore may also have some trade value....though it is slim, while Garrard does not.
     
  33. rafael

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    I agree with that. Assuming that Miami will get rid of one regardless (I'm not convinced of that part) then even if they're equal on the field, getting something for Moore might be the smart thing to do. You'd also have to assume that they're comfortable that Garrard is fully recovered and they're comfortable with Tannehill playing if Garrard were injured.
     
  34. FinzLombardi

    FinzLombardi Armchair GM

    I really think Tanny will emerge the winner of these three to start this year. With Garrard as an insurance policy. Tanny is a leader and hes got raw ability, unless it is Philbin's will that Tanny sit for a year.....he will win.
     

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