Gary Kubiak for oc

"KB21 wrote:

Don't bank on it.

Early in the year, there was some talk that Joe Philbin didn't see eye to eye with Mike on his play calling. Apparently, Mike wanted to be more balanced, and Joe's response was that balance is nice, but you need to score points. Now, I'm hearing some buzz that Joe doesn't have a problem with the way the team is starting, but he may start stepping in on some of the play calls in the second half. I have speculated that Mike may end up beign reassigned as offensive line coach/assistant head coach.

Mike Sherman and Gary Kubiak are also very tight. Sherman was Kubiak's offensive coordinator for a short while in Houston, and they were together at Texas A&M back in the late '80s/early '90s.

Another possibility I wouldn't rule out is an organizational structure where Joe Philbin becomes the central power in the football operations, and Mike Sherman, with his experience as a GM in the past, could very well be the guy that Joe tabs as Jeff's replacement.

I've noticed lately that when Sherman has more balance regardless of the production in the run game, Philbin compliments him in a way that suggests that it was his idea..no idea if that's true, just the vibe I get..

"KB21 wrote:

I think you would have to find out what Gary's ideas are on spreading the field and using the passing game to set up the running game, because I think Joe Philbin clearly wants an offense that is pass first and believes you have to be a great passing team to win.

I think a big obstacle is Philbin's opinion on the bootleg game. He seemed very much down on it when he was asked about rolling Tannehill out more, and didn't see much to care for the play action half-field read game.

"Disgustipate wrote:

I think a big obstacle is Philbin's opinion on the bootleg game. He seemed very much down on it when he was asked about rolling Tannehill out more, and didn't see much to care for the play action half-field read game.

Joe wants the offense to be similar to the one run in Green Bay....i.e...west coast principles as far as timing goes, but more vertical in the passing game with spread the field elements. I linked an article not too long ago that talked about how the Green Bay offense was somewhat of a hybrid of the traditional west coast offense and the old Buffalo Bills K Gun offense. Coming from the success that they had in Green Bay with this offense, I think you can see why Joe believes in it. I guess the problem with it is that it is so quarterback centric that if the quarterback is lousy, as we are seeing with Matt Flynn and Scott Tolzien in Green Bay, the offense doesn't go.

Now, as far as our play calling goes, I don't think we are anywhere close to what they do in Green Bay. Green Bay doesn't do as much out breaking stuff, and the slot guy is typically the main receiving threat on the team. Right now, we do not have the ability to move our receivers around much either. None of them are extremely versatile. We do not have the ideal slot guy for this system either.

"Disgustipate wrote:

I think a big obstacle is Philbin's opinion on the bootleg game. He seemed very much down on it when he was asked about rolling Tannehill out more, and didn't see much to care for the play action half-field read game.

I don't think this is an obstacle because I do not think you should have a passing game that is predicated on play-action rollouts with half field reads.

I think especially for a young, developing QB, this type of system can completely stunt his development as a pocket passer. I don't know how a QB goes from looking at the field from one advantageous point of view for years and then suddenly be comfortable staring down the barrel from the pocket and making whole field reads.

Kubiak is a massive yes, but we are tied to Tanny and I do feel that a change at OC may knock him back in his progression.. Dislike the calls Sherman coordinates but Tanny is very comfortable and it shows.. Learning a new system may not be the best idea for this kid and therefore I know many will hate but we're also tied with Sherman!

Big fan of Tanny's and that's the only reason I'd like to keep what we have.

"Disgustipate wrote:

I'm a big fan of that offensive system, and I'd be thrilled to see Kubiak as the Dolphins OC. He's pretty well the singular blue chip offensive coordinator in the NFL, I don't think anyone really matches his combination of longevity and results.

I don't know why anyone thinks Mike Sherman is going anywhere unless Philbin is fired, though.

Pretty much my feelings exactly. I would love this move. Unfortunately, I can't see Philbin letting Sherman go.

"Disgustipate wrote:

I'm a big fan of that offensive system, and I'd be thrilled to see Kubiak as the Dolphins OC. He's pretty well the singular blue chip offensive coordinator in the NFL, I don't think anyone really matches his combination of longevity and results.

I don't know why anyone thinks Mike Sherman is going anywhere unless Philbin is fired, though.

Sadly, that is probably true, unless Sherman himself decides to retire on his own terms. It is an unusual situation. Sherman taught Philbin in high school and gave him his first NFL job, but now Philbin is Sherman's boss. Not aware of that ever happening in the NFL before.

"KB21 wrote:

Don't bank on it.

Early in the year, there was some talk that Joe Philbin didn't see eye to eye with Mike on his play calling. Apparently, Mike wanted to be more balanced, and Joe's response was that balance is nice, but you need to score points. Now, I'm hearing some buzz that Joe doesn't have a problem with the way the team is starting, but he may start stepping in on some of the play calls in the second half. I have speculated that Mike may end up beign reassigned as offensive line coach/assistant head coach.

Mike Sherman and Gary Kubiak are also very tight. Sherman was Kubiak's offensive coordinator for a short while in Houston, and they were together at Texas A&M back in the late '80s/early '90s.

Another possibility I wouldn't rule out is an organizational structure where Joe Philbin becomes the central power in the football operations, and Mike Sherman, with his experience as a GM in the past, could very well be the guy that Joe tabs as Jeff's replacement.

Hearing those things from whom?

"djphinfan wrote:

Jonny Manzeil stays in state to Houston???

You and I were high on Wilson in the 2011 draft, but I don't see Manziel as being in the same class as Wilson at the next level. I could see the Texans taking Manziel if he is still on the board in the second round and they don't select a QB with the first overall pick. Yet I think it is more likely they will draft a QB with this pick and I think that QB will be,Teddy Bridgewater and not Manziel.

Does anyone else think that Kubiak might just take a year off?

Dude just had a stroke and he's getting paid either way.

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"Oghma wrote:

Does anyone else think that Kubiak might just take a year off?

Dude just had a stroke and he's getting paid either way.

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It would make sense for him because he'd be working for free. Besides he may not want to go back and be a coordinator and will only be interested in HC jobs.

"KB21 wrote:

Don't bank on it.

Early in the year, there was some talk that Joe Philbin didn't see eye to eye with Mike on his play calling. Apparently, Mike wanted to be more balanced, and Joe's response was that balance is nice, but you need to score points. Now, I'm hearing some buzz that Joe doesn't have a problem with the way the team is starting, but he may start stepping in on some of the play calls in the second half. I have speculated that Mike may end up beign reassigned as offensive line coach/assistant head coach.

Mike Sherman and Gary Kubiak are also very tight. Sherman was Kubiak's offensive coordinator for a short while in Houston, and they were together at Texas A&M back in the late '80s/early '90s.

Another possibility I wouldn't rule out is an organizational structure where Joe Philbin becomes the central power in the football operations, and Mike Sherman, with his experience as a GM in the past, could very well be the guy that Joe tabs as Jeff's replacement.

I have no desire seeing Joe Philbin being given any more power in the organization. He is a head coach who is still learning on the job. He has a sub 500 record through his first 28 games as an NFL head coach and he needs to prove he is a quality HC before he should be given the type of power and authority only the best coaches in the NFL have been given.

He certainly shouldn't be involved in the hiring of the next GM. Especially when one of the responsibilities of this GM will be to determine if Philbin should remain the HC of this team. If the Dolphins win 9 or 10 games this year, Philbin certainly would deserve to stay. On the other hand, if the Dolphins finish the season 7-9 or 8-8, Philbin would probably be lucky if he keeps his job once the new GM is hired.

If the Dolphins win 9 or 10 games, Philbin should just concentrate on becoming the best HC he can be. Perhaps down the road after the Dolphins have won a Super Bowl or two with Philbin as the HC, we can revisit him becoming the, "central power in the football operations". Right now though, I would just like to see him lead this team to one winning season.

Gary Kubiak for OC.

Rex Ryan for DC...... :shifty:

I gotta go with most here, I'll take Kubiak as OC (definetly not HC) any day of the week. He's not a great motivator and truthfully neither is Philbin, but his system works for offense. He gets things out of mediocre backs that you'd never expect and he cultivates QBs in his system. He got a lot from a good, but not great QB in Schaub...

So, count me in if he's interested in coming here. But I doubt that Philbin will let his boy Sherman go anytime soon.....

Regarding Philbin, it would be so Dolphins to hand him the keys to the kingdom, right?

A guy in his first head coaching job at any level with a sub-.500 record (as of now). But he's a straight-arrow guy and his GM was bad so of course this would be the way to go. And they'd better not install Sherman as the GM. I don't know about you guys, but I've had my fill of the mediocre buddy system.

This is the franchise that gave Dave Wannstedt 'Bill Belichick' powers. And that was under better owner. I put nothing past Stephen Ross. He terrifies me.

"jw3102 wrote:

I have no desire seeing Joe Philbin being given any more power in the organization. He is a head coach who is still learning on the job. He has a sub 500 record through his first 28 games as an NFL head coach and he needs to prove he is a quality HC before he should be given the type of power and authority only the best coaches in the NFL have been given.

He certainly shouldn't be involved in the hiring of the next GM. Especially when one of the responsibilities of this GM will be to determine if Philbin should remain the HC of this team. If the Dolphins win 9 or 10 games this year, Philbin certainly would deserve to stay. On the other hand, if the Dolphins finish the season 7-9 or 8-8, Philbin would probably be lucky if he keeps his job once the new GM is hired.

If the Dolphins win 9 or 10 games, Philbin should just concentrate on becoming the best HC he can be. Perhaps down the road after the Dolphins have won a Super Bowl or two with Philbin as the HC, we can revisit him becoming the, "central power in the football operations". Right now though, I would just like to see him lead this team to one winning season.

I think Joe has already shown a better aptitude for personnel than Jeff Ireland has, and in the current set up, the GM can't fire him anyway. The only person that can is Stephen Ross, and I have a feeling that is unlikely. If the Dolphins keep Joe, they have to hire a GM that can work with him and share the same personnel philosophy/team building philosophy with him. No more giving one trick pony receivers big contracts and such.

"KB21 wrote:

I think Joe has already shown a better aptitude for personnel than Jeff Ireland has, and in the current set up, the GM can't fire him anyway. The only person that can is Stephen Ross, and I have a feeling that is unlikely. If the Dolphins keep Joe, they have to hire a GM that can work with him and share the same personnel philosophy/team building philosophy with him. No more giving one trick pony receivers big contracts and such.

Since Ireland has 100% control over player personnel decisions at this time, I'm not sure how you have come to the conclusion that Philbin has a better aptitude for personnel than Ireland does. The fact is that Philbin took the job with the understanding that Ireland would make all final personnel decisions for the Dolphins. That was the main reason Jeff Fischer didn't take the job with the Dolphins. He wanted final say over personnel decisions and Ross wouldn't agree to that.

I agree that whoever the next GM is, has to be able to work with the head coach of the team. As I stated earlier though, if the Dolphins finish this season at 500 or below, I don't think that Philbin should feel that his job is secure. In that case, Ross should allow the next GM to make the final determination regarding Philbins job with the Dolphins.

If the Dolphins win 9 or 10 games this year, I suspect that not only will Philbin return next year, but Ireland most likely will also return as the teams GM. If the team has a winning record and assuming the Martin investigation doesn't cause Ross to fire Ireland. I just don't see Ross firing Ireland after a winning season.

Right now I see Philbin as a very average HC in the NFL and he hasn't proved at this time he deserves any kind of special consideration if a new GM is hired after this season. Perhaps he will eventually become a very good HC, but that is still to be shown.

I have no problem with Philbin remaining for at least another year if that is what the new GM wants. I just think the next GM has to feel comfortable with the head coach and if he doesn't feel comfortable with Philbin in that position, the new GM should be able to hire whomever he wants to for the position, IMO.

"jw3102 wrote:

Since Ireland has 100% control over player personnel decisions at this time, I'm not sure how you have come to the conclusion that Philbin has a better aptitude for personnel than Ireland does. The fact is that Philbin took the job with the understanding that Ireland would make all final personnel decisions for the Dolphins. That was the main reason Jeff Fischer didn't take the job with the Dolphins. He wanted final say over personnel decisions and Ross wouldn't agree to that.

I agree that whoever the next GM is, has to be able to work with the head coach of the team. As I stated earlier though, if the Dolphins finish this season at 500 or below, I don't think that Philbin should feel that his job is secure. In that case, Ross should allow the next GM to make the final determination regarding Philbins job with the Dolphins.

If the Dolphins win 9 or 10 games this year, I suspect that not only will Philbin return next year, but Ireland most likely will also return as the teams GM. If the team has a winning record and assuming the Martin investigation doesn't cause Ross to fire Ireland. I just don't see Ross firing Ireland after a winning season.

Right now I see Philbin as a very average HC in the NFL and he hasn't proved at this time he deserves any kind of special consideration if a new GM is hired after this season. Perhaps he will eventually become a very good HC, but that is still to be shown.

I have no problem with Philbin remaining for at least another year if that is what the new GM wants. I just think the next GM has to feel comfortable with the head coach and if he doesn't feel comfortable with Philbin in that position, the new GM should be able to hire whomever he wants to for the position, IMO.

Here's where I disagree. Why should we keep him if we go 9-7, but fire him if we go 7-9? Coaching doesn't make that much of a difference. Miami's problems are personnel oriented, not coaching.

Gary Kubiak fired as Houston Texans head coach

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000293330/article/gary-kubiak-fired-as-houston-texans-head-coach

For those speaking of adding him on the Dolphins coaching staff. He is available.

no thanks...i'd take kyle shanahan as oc if he and his dad are out in washington though. schaub has been garbage ever since kyle shanahan left the texans. its not a coincidence.

"Muck wrote:

Regarding Philbin, it would be so Dolphins to hand him the keys to the kingdom, right?

A guy in his first head coaching job at any level with a sub-.500 record (as of now). But he's a straight-arrow guy and his GM was bad so of course this would be the way to go. And they'd better not install Sherman as the GM. I don't know about you guys, but I've had my fill of the mediocre buddy system.

This is the franchise that gave Dave Wannstedt 'Bill Belichick' powers. And that was under better owner. I put nothing past Stephen Ross. He terrifies me.

Unbelievable how spot on this is.

Gary Kubiak and Mike Sherman are tight so I could see this working.

At this point I sense that Sherman may be getting into Dan Henning territory as far as his interest in retirement goes. He's pushing 60 years old which isn't terribly old but not terribly young either and he's being brutalized in the press and even behind his back by coaches and players and people in the building. He knows Philbin will never fire him. But that may only make him more willing to bow out gracefully rather than put his friend in that kind of awkward position. He used to be the guy in charge of Joe Philbin and now he's the weak link to where he's having Joe Philbin try and protect him from criticism? Some guys have a little too much pride to handle that idea really well.

Anyway where Kubiak comes in is Sherman may be convinced that handing the keys over to a Gary Kubiak means continuity for Ryan Tannehill (whom Sherman cares for) and also it could mean his son in law Zac Taylor gets to retain his job as QB Coach. I could see everyone involved working out some kind of gentleman's agreement that way.

You have to keep in mind Steve Ross is going to want to see change if the Dolphins miss the playoffs and Philbin will be lucky if the axe swing doesn't get his neck too. It won't be Philbin's idea to fire Sherman but Sherman could still feel the bite of the blade on his neck regardless.

LMAO this is the Dolphins, not a cheesy fiction novel.

Philbin's job is not in danger, at all.

Lets get some linemen, ok?

"KB21 wrote:

Here's where I disagree. Why should we keep him if we go 9-7, but fire him if we go 7-9? Coaching doesn't make that much of a difference. Miami's problems are personnel oriented, not coaching.

Because if he goes 7-9 again, that will mean he has a 14-18 with a team that was suppose to have more talent this year than they have had in several years. I disagree that coaching doesn't make much difference. In fact I think an excellent coach can make a huge difference in the NFL.

Hopefully the Dolphins will end this season with a winning record but if they don't, I would have no problem with Philbin being replaced, along with Ireland. I only care about wins when it comes to the Dolphins and two consecutive losing seasons under a new HC just wouldn't do it for me.