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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by tirty8, Oct 29, 2018.

  1. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    Here is a serious question for you guys. What is/are Gase's crowing achievements during his tenure in Miami?

    In my mind, the only real place where Gase can hang his hat is the way the secondary is built. Between Xavien, McCain, Minkah, and TJ, I could see that being a strength for years to come.

    After that, I really don't see anything to write home about.
     
  2. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    You're not really looking for someone to change your mind and present you with a solid opinion. People have tried and you just ignore them. You're just looking for another way to word your "fire Gase" rampage. It's literally the only thing you post about.
     
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  3. Dorfdad

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    Can you tell us why he deserves to stay? What is his accomplishment. Regardless of his motives I can’t find an area he’s improved
     
  4. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Bring back Pornstache!!
     
  5. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    ...or maybe Gase should grow his own Pornsstache. He could be a whole new man.
     
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    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    ...or maybe Gase should grow his own real big Pornstache, then go cloth shopping with Cam Newton, buy like an aqua colored pimp daddy outfit and roam around the sidelines yelling at the team and refs whilst often using the word, b-tch. Totally new man, new coach.
     
  7. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You will need to first explain to us what "crowing achievements" are.
     
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  8. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    He got us into the playoffs his first year, year two no starting qb, year three was 3-0 until the injuries hit again. When healthy we are a playoff team. We just had some bad luck the last two years. Luck evens out over time. Next year we will probably be one of the healthier teams
     
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  9. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    I think many people here tend to forgot how genuinely BAD this team was under Wanny, Saban, Cameron, Sparano, and Philbin. They all looked like deer in the headlights.

    I, for one, don't ever want to go back to that. Gase isn't perfect, but he's not bad. This team hasn't been bad during his tenure and there's no reason to suspect it ever will be. Now, we're not going to win the Super Bowl by being 8-8, but we had to start somewhere, and Gase's decisions have been really good in his first three years. We've cut dead weight, drafted some potential HOFers and made smart, sensible FA decisions. I think it's fairly safe to say that if so many of those additions weren't on the IR, we would be much better than 4-4 at the moment and we wouldn't be having this conversation. The fact is, we're slowly getting better instead of getting worse as we did with our previous coaches.

    You might think that the grass is always greener, but since Shula (excluding Gase since he's still HC) we're batting 0 of 5 on hiring a good HC. You might assume that firing Gase will open the door for some future HOF coach to come rushing in the door to save us...but more likely than not it would lead to yet another 2-3 year setback. It is much, much more likely that our current HC, who still has room to grow and learn, will be able to take us from being mediocre to being good.
     
  10. tirty8

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    I am literally asking for someone to present me with a solid opinion. If you think someone is good at their job, and I don't, the best way to discuss said issue is to present facts. Like I said previously, I think that the secondary is built for the long haul. But aside from that, I don't see an area on the team that is built for the foreseeable future.

    In his third offseason with the team, I would think that certain position corps would start to be emerging. Ideally, you would be seeing weak, raw, young players slowly beginning hone and develop their skills. Instead, we are seeing the addition of older players with diminishing skillsets and large salaries being added to the team. This approach is not sustainable.

    Just to give you an idea where I am at mentally, I was on a run yesterday, and I got to thinking. I would give every one of our defensive ends (Wake, Harris, Quinn, and Branch) for Clowney even if we had to overpay.
     
  11. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    The Dolphins have been a team that has been desperate...DESPERATE to return to their glory days since the firing of Don Shula. Yes you can say he retired but let’s be real, if he did retire he was going to be fired. Since the Don retired...

    Jimmy Johnson
    Dave Wannstedt
    Nick Saban
    Cam Cameron
    The Bill Parcells show, starring Tony Sparano
    Joe Philbin
    Adam Gase

    Now, prior to the hiring of Adam Gase, what did every one of those coaches have in common?
     
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  12. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    In common? No idea...
     
  13. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    they all watched midget porn?
     
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  14. brandon27

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    The biggest issue here is one that I think some of you have already hit on. This team, and it's fanbase were spoiled by success... or should we say almost success since we never really won anything during Marino's tenure, and therefore have been desperate, and impatient.

    That attitude has been mirrored with every new coach, and front office that has rolled through the team offices. Every new coach, and GM panics just like the past, and tries to make a splash move, signs free agents to long term contracts to try and invigorate the fanbase and roster, but instead they end up holding it hostage even more. We're always playing catchup it seems to get out of bad contracts.

    That has forced us often to draft for need, and reach in alot of cases, so you're never really re-stocking the shelves. When we have tried to draft to fill those needs, we've often missed on the picks as well. resulting in the need for more free agency splashes. It's just an endless cycle that constant turnover in the front office, and on the sidelines creates, because the city, the fans, the ownership, the whole organization is starved for success, and they're constantly trying to always change to accomplish it, but nobody has really blown it up completely. Maybe you can say Parcells did, but they still ultimately failed because they thought Chad Henne could be the saviour. Oops, another bad personnel decision to quench the thirst of desperation.

    Best way to try and solve this mess is for stability. Stability only warrants itself though when you're seeing positive signs. Are we with Gase? Does he warrant that stability? Does the current front office structure? I'd say you presently look at the FO as being from when Greir joined, not all the way back to the start of Tannenbaum's tenure. I think there's things there to warrant stability.

    We have a pretty solid group of WR's right now. We're missing that big, athletic, tall WR with a big catch radius, because we missed on Parker, and nobody can see to get him going. Other than that though, this FO, and Gase have assembled a nice group of WR talent.

    RB is another good looking group. Drake is clearly talented, and he's clearly gotten better in Gase's time. Gore is proving to be a nice addition despite his age. Ballage showed in preseason that he's got some potential to be brought along.

    QB, they've tried to salvage a reach at the QB position. I think you've seen better production from Tannehill, but as I like to say here at the office to the sales guys... polish the turd. If you dont have the best account, but need to sell it, polish that turd the best you can and go. Ultimately you can only polish it so much. Improving this position even more than Gase has (I mean we're actually getting decent production out of another turd in Osweiler)

    OL... it's still a mess. Although if you look at week 1, the only time they were healthy, this team was able to run the ball fairly well, and keep the QB up right.

    The DL has always been a fairly strong unit in Gase/Greir's tenure. Moving on from Suh hadnt initially hurt as much, but your run defense is only going to be as good as how your DL and LB's work together. That's been a struggle. No doubt.

    Look, people can say this is an excuse all they want, and I'll tell you its BS. Injuries. Injuries have really prevented this team from having the success it could have. Tannehill. The OL. Wake. Stills. Parker. McMillan's rookie year. Lippett. Jones. Sitton. Pouncy. etc. etc. the list goes on and on. I get it, every team has injuries. Not every team though is losing 3-4 starters on the regular like we are. That's hard to overcome, I dont care who you are. Next man up only works for so long. Starters are starters for a reason. Backups are backups for a reason. Eventually, when you get too many of the backups in there, you aren't overcoming it. Regardless. So it's not really an excuse. If we were talking one guy... sure. Excuse. multiple starters, sorry, it's not an excuse anymore IMO.

    I don't think things are as bad as people think, but look... I'm not going to piss in your ear and tell you it's raining. They're not good either. I think alot of this gets blown out of proportion though by the impatience, and desperation of the fans, and team. Believe me, I get it. Miami is the only major sports team of mine I follow that I haven't seen win a title in my 37 years. So yeah, I'm over it too.

    However, when you look at Gase's time here... Season 1 is playoffs, while losing your starting QB. Season 2 is bad without your starting QB. Season 3 started great WITH your starting QB that the coach said he could win with (and he had success this year, and season 1 with him) now you're without your starting QB again, and you're getting decent production now from Osweiler who's been awful. You cant be too down on that, but I think we have to keep it in perspective. You can pin the bad luck type things that have happened to us on a coach. It's not like we're cleveland and getting blasted, and going 2-34 or some junk like that.

    Biggest problem is, we're trying to build stability, build a good culture (removing cancerous players etc), and trying to revamp the roster and rid it of the big salary bloat guys. It just takes time, because we've been in a hole for so long.

    No rah-rah here for gase though, because there's plenty to fault him for, but you didnt ask for that. How about you tell us those things since you seem to have so many? I think his biggest failure as a head coach, and he's done it twice now essentially, is his OC and DC hires. Vance was ok, Burke is struggling. Christensen, and now Loggains... meh. Himself as a playcaller/gameplanner? Meh... too much on his plate. Wish right from day one he'd hired an experienced, proven OC and DC. Take the load off his plate, so he can focus on the whole team, and calling a good game.
     
  15. texanphinatic

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    Positives:
    Secondary and offensive skill positions (WR/RB).
    Reached playoffs in first season.
    At times can be innovative offensive mind (the Amendola TD play was beautiful).
    Generally good at halftime adjustments.
    No major clock control issues.

    Negatives:
    Has struggled putting together his coaching cadre.
    Has not fired Burke.
    Poor LB/DL with little growth.
    Unable to make THill consistent - oversold ability as QB whisperer.
    Unable to find viable backup/alternate QB, preferring to rely on subpar options because of familiarity.
    Poor initial drive scripting and poor first half gameplanning.
    Struggle to create a good and deep OL (a league wide issue tbh).
    Struggles with headstrong and difficult players.
    Gets crushed in primetime, especially Thursday.

    For me overall, I won't be raging mad if we keep him provided changes are made to the defensive staff, but I am also not going to argue in favor of retention. Some of the things he has done or failed to do have really struck a nerve. Most notably, pretending that we could get along with Brock Osweiler was a huge No from me and made me really question his objectivity and ability to identify talent. Secondly, not parting with Burke rubs me the wrong way. We needed a shot in the arm, and trotting out ol Tablet Demolisher isn't it.

    He's got the rest of the season barring a massive collapse.
     
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  16. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    What you need to understand is that you can't fix every problem in one year. In Gase's first year he inherited a team that did not fit what he wanted to run on offense. That's par for the course in the NFL. He still took that team to the playoffs. In year two, he began to jettison all of the divas on the team, knowing full well that cohesion and team chemistry are more important than individual skill. That alone is something no other coach of ours has been willing to do, and that alone should be enough to give Adam Gase a tremendous amount of leash. In his third year, he improved the team tremendously along the trenches (before they were injured); he built an incredible secondary; he continues to show an almost otherworldly eye for RB talent; and built one of the most exciting receiving corps in the league.

    Gase's emphasis on building a team that's hungry and not selfish, and his confidence in doing so, buy him a boatload of slack in my book. He's made a ton of initially unpopular decisions that ultimately turned out to be 100% correct. However, if that's not enough for you, let's take a closer look at how he's handled one of the most important positions on the team: RB.

    Year 1: Inherited Lamar Miller and Jay Ajayi. Let's Miller walk (fans rioted) because he saw talent in Ajayi. Drafted Kenyan Drake. Miller was a bust in Houston. Right call.
    Year 2: Trades Jay Ajayi after an incredible year (fans rioted) because he sees talent in Drake. Ajayi is a cancer and a bust in Philly. Right call.
    Year 3: Brings in old-fart Frank Gore (fans rioted) to split time with Drake. Gore is still amazing. Drake is still amazing. Drafted Kalen Ballage who looks great already.

    We're selling high and buying low, all while getting better. We crushed everyone with those RB moves. We lost our best receiver and got better. Rome wasn't built in a day. Injuries happen. It sucks. Don't throw the coach out just because you're impatient. The guy is legit.
     
  17. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Name one sports franchise in the history of sports that isn't desperate to return to their glory days. Heck, for that matter, name one player or even one human who doesn't want the same thing. It's silly to criticize a team for doing the exact same thing we all do daily.
     
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  18. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 He can smell your fear

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    They've all had the letter N in their name?
     
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  19. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    This is really a great post. All of us know the Dolphins have been a mess for years. It didn't get messed up "overnight" and it certainly isn't going to get fixed "overnight". Let's all truly face the facts, the Dolphins have been a mess ever since the Robbie's lost the Dolphins in the early 90's due to the government wanting tax them to death, but that's another topic all together.

    Wayne Huizenga and Stephen Ross, despite their efforts have't been able to recreate the magic that was Miami Dolphins football under the Robbie family. Huizenga I give some credit to however. He went out and got the hottest ticket for a head coach at the time in Jimmy Johnson but what none of us knew, was the fire in JJ's belly was gone. With 2 Super Bowls and an NCAA Championship under his belt, there was nothing left for him to prove and from there it just went downhill and has continued to go downhill. The Dolphins have have gone out and tried to get the next "hot ticket" on the market from Saban and his National Championship at LSU to Cam Cameron and his 14-2 stint as OC at San Diego, to Bill Parcells and his "legend" to Joe Philbin with his "fame" with the Packers.

    Adam Gase has over 20 years worth of mess to clean up and instead of trying to let the man change the course of a ship that's been off course for so long, many here are already wanting to sack him.

    It didn't get broke overnight and its not going to get fixed overnight.
     
  20. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 He can smell your fear

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    Great post but what's the answer to your previous riddle?
     
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  21. cbrad

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    What all those coaches had in common prior to Gase becoming coach? They were fired for their ineptitude while Gase hasn't been.. yet.

    Season's not over yet so we'll see how this 4-4 record ends up, but another ~8 win season and this guy is doing no better than Sparano or Philbin when measured by the one stat that matters most. Actually.. both Sparano and Philbin were fired mid-year 4 after basically a .500 record over their first 3 years. Hope history isn't repeating itself.
     
  22. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Didn't Saban just quit?
     
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  23. cbrad

    cbrad . Club Member

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    Oh yeah good point!.. Damn. OK, gotta think a little harder now for a relevant common denominator lol.
     
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    In your mind, what is the reason why you believe he is "the guy" to be able to fix all that though? Avoiding change isn't always helpful - there is no guarantee of success either way. In an era when disastrous periods can be overcome very quickly (the Chip Kelley to Doug Pederson, the Jeff Fischer to Sean McVay), why do we need to give Gase more than 3 below average with little improvement years? What are the things you look at and say "Well, nobody else does that like Adam - we gotta keep him!" Both the guys I mentioned came into the league, innovated, acted boldy and are succeeding for it. Gase ... has not.
     
  25. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    The answer was actually hiding in plain sight in the post above
     
  26. Dolphin Dundee

    Dolphin Dundee Well-Known Member

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    Riddles..Riddles everywhere....
     
  27. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    They dolphins are like housewives?
     
  28. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    While I think that
    a) roster management is improved,
    b) we have a coherent strategy for the first time since Wannstadt,
    c) the coaching staff seem to be having some success developing late round picks

    I am getting concerned about Gase. As cbrad points out the test of a HoF coach is that they can turn around a team into a consistent winner in 3 years.
    I know we’ve had injuries, but Don Shula took 2 teams to the SB relying on the back-up QB for the majority of the season. The simple fact is that in the NFL you can’t rely on the health of your team to be a great team. I’ve read that on average about 1 in 6 players will be unavailable to injury. So if your backups cause the team performance to fall off a cliff you have a serious coaching F/O problem.

    I’ve written previously about Gase’s “pattern breaking” strategy where he tries to set up an opponent by appearing to be predictable then zigging when the other guy is expecting him to zag. I have no problems with this as a strategy, however it does lead to you being vulnerable because you tend to start slow then gather pace.

    For me the important thing to look at in terms of whether the team is progressing is passing efficiency made -v- passing efficiency allowed.
    The phins are allowing a passer rating of 96.4 which ranks 24th, which is a bid misleading because Denver at number 10 allow 90.3. Basically between rank 10 and rank 25 there is a range of 6.3 passer rating points so all of this teams rate as more or less average.
    The phins have made 97.3 on the passer rating, which ranks as 14th, but there is a logjam between 9th rated Greenbay 98.2 and 21st rated Giants (92.7).

    On those ratings the phins are kind of average headed for 8-8 team.

    Yes I care about injuries because I want our best players on the field to give us the best chance of winning. However, I do also want the backups to stand up and be counted and not automatically hand the other team the W if we lose a few players.

    The other thing that has concerned me this season is the inconsistency of the units. When you break team performance down into unit by unit assessments every single unit on this team has performed at a high level at some point in the season and has completely failed at some point in the season. Don Shula became a legend precisely because he could get all of his players performing at or near their best every single week. Our players have shown that if they play at their best this can be a dominant team. Serious questions should be asked about why they aren’t performing at that level every week.
     
  29. Surfs Up 99

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    I think Gase knows what he is doing because he gets a lot of mileage out of mediocre QB's. My vote is to keep Gase and upgrade our QB.
     
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  31. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    That's when somebody gets up, has nothing to really say, but makes a lot of noise convincing everyone of that fact! That's also why most roosters get fried. Most politician have the same habit.
     
  32. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    I would be quite interested in seeing data that supports you claim that a vast majority of hall of fame coaches turned the team around inside a 3 year window.
     
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  33. cbrad

    cbrad . Club Member

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    I didn't look at how well coaches did when they went to their 2nd or 3rd teams, but if you look at the top part of this list:
    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/

    where you have coaches with winning records over a long period of time (many of whom are HoF coaches) and you click on their coaching records, you'll see that a majority (not sure about "vast") began a consistent winning streak by year 3 (starting from their rookie year).

    Notable exceptions are Belichick and Landry near the top of that list, but in general coaches tend to show their potential by year 3. What I don't know without looking at all coaches is what percentage of coaches with a winning record by year 3 ended up flopping. That's obviously important if you ask the question of what the best fixed time period is (IF you decide on using a fixed time period) for evaluating a coach. I'll try to answer that question by next week.. just hard to get all that data in a nice format.
     
  34. danmarino

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    I don't think we can really know much in regards to how well Gase is doing by looking at past coaches records. Especially is you're only looking at the top of that list. The players and organization have a lot to do with how well a coach does. For example, Chuck Knox, in his first 5 seasons as a head coach, went 54-15 with no losing seasons. Then he went to Buffalo for 5 years and went 37-36 with 3 losing seasons. Did he forget how to coach? No, he had an inferior team with a bumbling front office. Look at Chuck Knoll. In his first 3 seasons he went 12-30. You already mentioned Landry and Belicheat. Levy went 19-29 in his first 3 seasons. Dungy went 24-24. Parcells went 22-25. Ditka went 21-20. Carroll went 25-23. Vermeil went 18-26. Payton went 25-23. Jimmy Johnson went 19-29. And the list goes on. Gase is 20-20 so far with 8 more to go in his 3rd season. And I haven't looked at all the coaches I mentioned, but I bet none had to deal with their franchise QB being hurt for nearly their entire first 3 seasons.
     
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  35. cbrad

    cbrad . Club Member

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    Obviously every case is different, but who here has proven they can evaluate coaches well? Looking at past coaches records at least gives you some idea of what to expect (and also removes potential hypotheses you might otherwise have).

    Your point that the organization matters is worth noting though, and that's one way to solve The Dark Knight's riddle (making him The Riddler and not the The Dark Knight? lol..). Here's a plot of all coaches winning percentages since 1970 (rookie year is 1970 or later) as a function of the number of games they coached. Filled blue dots are Dolphins coaches since 1970.

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    So it's interesting. This organization tends to do much better than the league as a whole in picking coaches that make you think you're doing well for up to 5 years, after which you realize the guy wasn't the right coach. Note basically no blue dots in the lower 1/3. But this organization is way worse than average at finding a coach that you can feel confident in long term.

    Have to admit.. Gase fits this pattern so far.
     
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  36. RevRick

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    Which is precisely why firing Gase now is looking more and more to me like looking down the barrel of your shotgun to see if it's loaded. Not only stupid, but (&^%*%*$^*) stupid! [Imagine genuine U.S. Naval punctuation between parentheses.]
     
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  37. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    The data may suggest we're on the same old Dolphins train...but it doesn't pass the smell test.

    What the data doesn't show here is the unique situation we find ourselves in with these injuries. Not only did the staff lose their starting QB for all of last year and half of this year, but we've also been stung by a number of other very significant injuries. I would argue that Gase's first season is more predictive of his future career as opposed to this year and last year.

    A number of people keep mentioning that other coaches win with backups. That's true, but the problem with that is you need capable backups. When Gase took over we didn't even have capable starters. He's slowly fixed that but its going to take a lot of time before we find ourselves in a position of luxury to have good backups as well. I'd wager the vast majority of teams in this league would not be sitting at 4-4 if they were to suffer similar injuries.
     
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  38. Phins_to_Win

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    None of them went on to have NFL success as a Head Coach with another team? Key point being "went on", Jimmy Johnson clearly had success before becoming our coach.
     
  39. Pauly

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    Looking at moden era HoF coaches and how long it took them to get their first back to back winning seasons.
    George Allen (LA) 1-2
    Gorga Allen (WSH) 1-2
    Weeb Ewbank (BAL) 3-4
    Weeb Ewbank (NYJ) 5-6
    Paul Brown (CLE - AAFC) 1-2
    Paul Brown (NFL) 1-2
    Tony Dungy (TB) 4-5
    Tony Dungy (IND) 1-2
    Joe Gibbs (WSH) 2-3
    Sid Gillman (LAR) x
    Sid Gillman (LAC) 6-7
    Bud Grant (MIN) 2-3
    Tom Landry (DAL) 7-8
    Marv Levy (BUF) 3-4
    Vince Lombardi (GB) 1-2
    John Madden (OAK) 1-2
    Chuck Noll (PIT) 2-3
    Don Shula (BAL) 1-2
    Don Shula (MIA) 1-2
    Hank Stram (KC) 6-7
    Bill Walsh (SF) 3-4* (not including 1982 because it was a strike year)
     
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  40. danmarino

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    Yeah, but comparing Gase to HoF coaches ONLY seems a bit unfair. No?
     
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