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Gase Will be the Play-caller

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  1. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Who would you have hired then?

    :lol:

    Even funnier because Hue wasn't coming here either way, and he may as well be considered a first time HC anyway.
     
  2. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    He shouldn't get anymore blame in chi as credit in Den. You're only as good as the talent you have to work with. Did he or didn't he improve Cutler this season? Did he or didn't he play some part in the best offense in the league his 2 seasons in Den? U can't say any guy sucks because his team sucked and turn around and say he's not good because he had good players. Btw manning goes out of his way to praise him and manning wasn't a spring chicken when he put up one of if not his best season ever with Gase. You can't have it both ways.
     
  3. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    You know nothing about how the teams are run or how the plays are called. Nothing. That is what i'm arguing. You can assume all day.
     
  4. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    I never said anything about first time head coaches. But if were going to get a rookie HC, I'd hire one that has a better track record of success. One year with crappy Tebow who played like Tebow , two years with HOF Manning running the offense and one fluke year with Cutler. Forgive me for not being impressed. I just can't be blindly optimistic about this hire. Just can't

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  5. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    omg. you're serious. LOL.
     
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  6. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    I know that Qbs like Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Marino, ect don't need OCs to be successful. We hired a guy who is got credit for Manning playing as good as he always did for a couple of seasons.

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  7. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Your assumption that HOF qbs don't ever run plays they are told to run by a staff and literally just "wing it" every play is dumbfounding.
     
  8. Jonathan Keller

    Jonathan Keller New Member

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    This may be a public message board. But I typed the topic. MY RULES. GO TO ANOTHER TOPIC
     
  9. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Lol at the notion they just "wing it". No, they're smart enough to know what plays to call and where to throw the ball. Some QBs are that gifted. I'm shocked you are surprised by that notion.

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  10. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Doesn't work that way, champ.
    Matter of fact i'm going to post in this for the rest of the day. How's that?
     
  11. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    :lol: is this serious?

    Yeah, you're going to be here a long time.. :rolleyes:

    I think you need to read the TOS and board rules here bro.
     
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  12. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Ofcourse they wing it, change it at the line, audible etc. That's part of what makes them so great. Never said they don't.
    YOU implied that it's ALL THEY DO. I.e. they don't 'need' coordinators, nor does anyone they work with get any credit for them being good. That is a lot more absurd.
     
  13. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    No use in arguing why this a bad hire guys. Gase is the miracle worker we've been looking for! He will bring balance to the force! Superbowl bound!

    Lol where is LBsfinest? I know how he feels now.

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  14. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    For the 3rd time, please quote where this is stated or even SLIGHTLY IMPLIED by anyone on this board. I will wait. Again. For the third time.
     
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  15. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    I don't give him a ton of credit for manning but this statement is wrong bro. Great qbs will succeed with practically any coordinator but Manning had a superb season especially given his age and he did improve Cutler who is far from great. He's by all accounts a very smart man. He's willing to adapt to his players and he's young, innovative and hungry. Exactly what this team needs on the surface. Everybody has to start somewhere. This team doesn't need a short term fix like Coughlin or shanahan, neither of whom won this season with better teams than miami. Gase success will be tied to the front office. Coughlin didn't go from super bowl winner to bum because he forgot how to coach. Talent wins. Good coaches get the best out of good players. I think Gase Cleary has the intelligence and adaptability to do that if he is given talented players.
     
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  16. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Not sure why you're attempting to bring any logic or reasoning into this abomination of a thread.
     
  17. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    They really don't need coordinators. Maybe the WRs, RBs, TEs, do. But those type of QBs really don't need OCs. Brady has had a few, he looks the same every year. Manning too. Rodgers and Roethisburger too.

    I'm still waiting for the optimists to tell me why this a good hire.

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  18. dWreck

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    I wonder why they bother hiring OCs then. :rolleyes: Oh right, because everyone outside of HOF QBs who just throw out the playbook can't function without someone telling them what to do, apparently.

    I guess I won't ask a 4th time, then. Too easy.

    You want to know more? Sign up for club. Apparently everyone there is a lot more at ease about the hire than you are, without all the emo cutting as well.
     
  19. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    Lol you typing the topic doesn't mean Jack **** kid. Lol @ your rules. Your rules are worthless. Thanks for the laugh though.
     
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  20. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    So we now know that no legit OC will be coming here, and word is another Cincy DB coach will be our next DC.

    No one at the top will really know what they're doing, and the new HC will be multi tasking, doing his old job, which he's still learning btw, while he tries to learn a new job at the same time.

    Sounds like a recipe for success.
     
  21. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    Well, I thought you might enjoy another intelligent fan chiming in. I just hope I didn't break the OP rules by posting logic. And hell, who knows maybe a little bit of my logic somehow rubs off on one of these schmucks.
     
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  22. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Bellicheat, McCarthy, others have gone seasons without needing an OC because their QBs are good enough without one.

    Enough with the emo comments already. Clearly you can't handle arguing with someone who god forbid has an opinion you don't like concerning this hire. You can join the others in burying your collective heads in the sand.

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  23. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    If someone dislikes the hire that is fine, they should probably just have a reason why, you know, unlike yourself.

    HUE HUE MANNING HUE is not a reason. But hey, to each their own. I'll enjoy the rest of my day not cutting.

    Burying our heads in the sand because we refuse to believe it's a BAD hire based on nothing (on the first day). mmmkay.

    I don't even particularly like the hire. That's the funny part about this. I'm just not going to jump on the doom and gloom bandwagon.
     
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  24. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    I gave you my reasons, you didn't like them so you argue like a 5 year old and do the groupthink thing like what is typical of kool aid drinking fans.

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  25. dWreck

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    The kool-aid drinking that you couldn't even prove existed after being asked 3-4 times.

    Got it.
     
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  26. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    I'm about as far as u can get from a fanboy. This franchise has been a **** storm for the better part of a decade. We lack talent across all levels but your reasoning for not liking this hire is ridiculous in my humble opinion. I would say time will tell but if Gase isn't given much better players to work with it won't matter who the coach is/was. Considering you give Gase no credit for den or chi you of all people should realize a HC is only as good as the talent around him. If given talent I suspect Gase will do more with it then most coaches the fins could've hired.
     
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  27. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    x100. Well said.
     
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  28. Jonathan Keller

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    Pushed up against a corner. So you rely on you're little freind over there to help you out. You want to know why this isn't a good hire. Broncos are my second favorite team. I've been watching them way more than you. Gase took the Bears 21st total offense to the 20th, WOW, WHAT A CHANGE!. Gase has been under the real OC in Denver PM. If Gase was hired by say the 49ers or Browns and developed any of their QB's then yes by all means hire him.

    But instead of doing the logical thing. Ross decides to hire him right now. AND to make things worse. HE SIGNS HIM TO A 5-YEAR CONTRACT!.

    And remind me ,wasn't Coyle the Bengals DB coach. Well guess what Vance Joseph is. The Bengals FREAKIN DB'S COACH!. WE're doing the EXACT SAME THING THAT GOT US INTO THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE!. PHILBIN HAD NO PREVIOUS HC EXPERIENCE, GASE HAS NO HC EXPERIENCE. SEE THE RESEMBLANCE
     
  29. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    I have no ties to dcafiero. Your logic just makes no sense. Coyle failed therefore Joseph will. We hired a hc with no experience before who failed therefore Gase will. No common sense in that thought process at all. You either take a chance on a smart, young, innovative coordinator who by all accounts is an extremely hard worker or you sign a failed hc like you want. Neither is a lock to succeed or fail based on another individual before then succeeding or failing. Vance Joseph has as much to do with Kevin Coyle as you do with Dan Marino.
     
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    i don't want a failed head coach. And Coyle came from Paul Guenther, the dolphins didn't like the scheme that was bought over. And guess what. Vance Joseph is under PAUL GUENTHER, the Bengals DC if you don't know who that is. Same system. So tell me, is that a recipe for disaster or not. And what makes you so sure Gase will be exactly what this franchise needs. You seem to love this guy when his team hasn't even played a snap
     
  31. Jonathan Keller

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    Oh, i'm sorry. I thought i was debating with an adult. But it turns out it's just a fat little kid trying to be brave behind a screen. I try to debate with you,but you have nothing but insults.
     
  32. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    Players didn't like his inability to adjust his scheme.
     
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  33. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    You have actually not 'tried to debate' one time in a single post you've made today.

    I asked you a question, Try reading.
    Also :
    I'm the one being brave behind a computer? :lol: Why are you so mad?
     
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    I'm "mad" because i'm just trying to tell you my opinion. But if you don't agree with it,you just shoot it down,make fun of me and resort to name calling like a little child
     
  35. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    This is exactly how the Tannehill debate started, BigNasty. Be careful, you're about to get the Gase Lover moniker, since you feel the need to dispute ridiculous arguments.
     
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  36. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Uh, no. You're forcing your opinion down peoples throats and raging and telling them to LEAVE YOUR THREAD! because they disagree with you. Like you're some kind of forum commando.

    You wanted to debate, so debate. I asked you questions that you still refuse to answer while you continue on with this. So in reality, you don't want to 'debate' at all.

    " look at this *name* calling me *names* " :rolleyes:
     
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  37. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Your opinion should be based on something. Right now, your opinion is it's a bad hire because it's not who you would have hired.

    No one is saying this is the greatest hire in history. No one is centenary in the street. People are saying to ease up on the doom and gloom, since no one has any idea of how this will play out.
     
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  38. Alex44

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    I'm fine with it.

    I will not say a man has failed until he has done so by his own merit. I said in another thread about a week ago I'd want Gase or Campbell, I hope it was the right call.
     
  39. dWreck

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    It's already starting to feel that way. I don't know the guy, I don't know if it's a good hire or not. I'm just optimistic and hopeful. That's about it. I like that he wants to play to our players strengths and scheme around what makes them comfortable. He's certainly saying the right things, although that means nothing.

    ....I'm just also not going to hang myself while proclaiming this to be the worst hire ever, either.
     
  40. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    Is this what this organization has turned their fans into?

    I thought I was bad. Jebus.
     
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