Getting Ugly In Michigan?

"Skeet84 wrote:

Are you kidding me? Your comparing a small school to Notre Dame? Really? Notre Dame get recruits based on the name alone and most small schools dont have that. How many small schools have there own major TV deal? Did not know it was such a challenge to go play teams like Navy and Syracuse. Its a challenge to play in the best conference in America plain and simple!

The Big 12 is tough, I agree. ;)

"Skeet84 wrote:

Yeah there are coaches like that want to move up however when you coach in the SEC their is no bigger challenge year in and year out. If he goes to Notre Dame it wont be because of a challenge it will be because he wanted to be there in his life. Being a head coach in the SEC is never guranteed success.

ND is a bigger challenge. You dont play as tough a schedule, but there is more to it than just that.

"DonShula84 wrote:

ND is a bigger challenge. You dont play as tough a schedule, but there is more to it than just that.

Like?

"DonShula84 wrote:

The Big 12 is tough, I agree. ;)

SEC is better when you compare ALL the teams not just the top teams in the country.

"DonShula84 wrote:

ND is a bigger challenge. You dont play as tough a schedule, but there is more to it than just that.

Yeah like?

"Alex44 wrote:

I'm talking about coaches in general. I said it's a challenge to either build up or bring back a program. Sure it's a challenge to play in the SEC but it's not that bad, you guys seem to flatter yourself. Your conference games are always going to be very tough yes, but recruiting is easier for SEC schools then anywhere else, as is building a dynasty.

It is very easy to recruit in the SEC however all the teams recruit well. When you have alot of the top talent all in the same conference than it will be tougher to win that conference.

It won't be hard for a coach to come in there and build back Notre Dame. Its taken Charlie Weis way too long to do sooo. Great coaches will win with good talent and Notre Dame has good talent

"Skeet84 wrote:

Yeah like?

Recruiting is a tougher job 'cause you have to recruit nationally. Florida most of your talent comes from your back yard. Far far more scrutiny, etc etc etc. To think the challenge of a coaching job is just about schedule is a bit silly.

"DonShula84 wrote:

Recruiting is a tougher job 'cause you have to recruit nationally. Florida most of your talent comes from your back yard. Far far more scrutiny, etc etc etc. To think the challenge of a coaching job is just about schedule is a bit silly.

The Best talent comes from all over the country. Florida recruits nationally as well. Thats not an excuse because Notre Dame has the tradition to get recruits. Ron Zook never had a year like Charlie Weis and was fired. So you think there is no Scrutiny there? :lol: There are tough challenges at every great coaching job

"Skeet84 wrote:

The Best talent comes from all over the country. Florida recruits nationally as well.

Yes, but no where close to the level that is required at Notre Dame. The majority of your players come from Florida, that isnt a bad thing. They have a recruiting hot bed in their backyard, and the Florida schools take advantage of that. Even the article I posted about why Meyer turned ND down in the first place mentioned that recruiting nationally as opposed to more locally at UF was a major factor.

"Skeet84 wrote:

Thats not an excuse because Notre Dame has the tradition to get recruits. Ron Zook never had a year like Charlie Weis and was fired. So you think there is no Scrutiny there? :lol: There are tough challenges at every great coaching job

ND wasnt getting recruits they currently are. Weis and his staff are great recruiters, the same cant be said for Willingham and Davie. I didnt say ND was the only school where one is scrutinized, or that it was the only one with tough challenges. But some of its challenges are unique to that school. And the idea that ND is a tougher job than Florida is a reasonable, but perhaps a debatable, one.

"Skeet84 wrote:

Yeah there are coaches like that want to move up however when you coach in the SEC their is no bigger challenge year in and year out. If he goes to Notre Dame it wont be because of a challenge it will be because he wanted to be there in his life. Being a head coach in the SEC is never guranteed success.

Florida is now a top tier program but it doesn't have the prestige a ND has. ITs the reason Dick Rod took the job at Michigan because of its name.

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

Florida is now a top tier program but it doesn't have the prestige a ND has. ITs the reason Dick Rod took the job at Michigan because of its name.

That would depend on who you ask now wouldn't it. Not much prestige in being a loser (by prestige standards) for the last twenty years. :no:

"cnc66 wrote:

That would depend on who you ask now wouldn't it. Not much prestige in being a loser (by prestige standards) for the last twenty years. :no:

More reason to go there is to turn it around. He is at the top in Florida can't get no better than possibly a 2nd National title in 3 years.

"cnc66 wrote:

That would depend on who you ask now wouldn't it. Not much prestige in being a loser (by prestige standards) for the last twenty years. :no:

Does that apply to the great Dolphins franchise history too? A history, tbh, that pales in comparison to ND's :wink2:

Prestige is primarily about history, and few if any can beat ND in that regard.

Besides, bowl wins are overrated, everyone can do it. But few can lose all of them :hi5:

"DonShula84 wrote:

Yes, but no where close to the level that is required at Notre Dame. The majority of your players come from Florida, that isnt a bad thing. They have a recruiting hot bed in their backyard, and the Florida schools take advantage of that. Even the article I posted about why Meyer turned ND down in the first place mentioned that recruiting nationally as opposed to more locally at UF was a major factor.

ND wasnt getting recruits they currently are. Weis and his staff are great recruiters, the same cant be said for Willingham and Davie. I didnt say ND was the only school where one is scrutinized, or that it was the only one with tough challenges. But some of its challenges are unique to that school. And the idea that ND is a tougher job than Florida is a reasonable, but perhaps a debatable, one.

I will not disagree and say that Florida is not in a hot bed for recruiting. They are however they are usually fighting Miami, Florida State, every SEC team, Some ACC teams, and not to mention the other teams that recruit nationally. Every team know Florida is a hot bed and everyone come knocking on the door. Notre Dame has alot going for them in recruiting and can get a top 10 class every year.

Notre Dame was not recruiting that well before Weis got there is correct however thats not due to Notre Dame. That was due to the coaching staffs. Notre Dame is not tougher than Florida and Florida is not tougher than Notre Dame. They both have there challenges

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

Florida is now a top tier program but it doesn't have the prestige a ND has. ITs the reason Dick Rod took the job at Michigan because of its name.

I don't disagree with that.

I guess some of you are overlooking the eligability issues between Notre Dame and every major program in the country...that and for the most part star athletes do not want to work hard in the classroom.

A Notre Dame coach has the toughest job in the country IMO, they dont accept very many dumb criminals who happen to be fast. So they cant really compete on a recruiting level because tradition is on the back burner for alot of kids IMO.

"Fin-Omenal wrote:

I guess some of you are overlooking the eligability issues between Notre Dame and every major program in the country...that and for the most part star athletes do not want to work hard in the classroom.

A Notre Dame coach has the toughest job in the country IMO, they dont accept very many dumb criminals who happen to be fast. So they cant really compete on a recruiting level because tradition is on the back burner for alot of kids IMO.

I am not saying by any mean that Florida is like Notre Dame when it comes to the Classroom however don't make that an excuse. Florida has turned down kids before because of grades and they were pretty high profile. Just becuase not everyone hears about it does not mean it does not happen. I know Notre Dame does have to turn down some kids as well. However they have alot of things going there way as well. Like I said before. There are different challenges at different schools that make those jobs equally as hard.

The SEC is having a down year, that's why Florida is surging. They've yet to really be challenged liked the Big 12 teams. It may be top heavy, but @ the top are three legitimate challengers for the national title (or at least two...). The worst team in the Big 12, Baylor, may not pose a threat for the worst team in the SEC, Kentucky, but don't think based on that any team in the SEC could survive in the Big 12 South

What's the signature win of the two SEC players, Alabama and Florida? Georgia? LSU? Both aren't exactly lighting up the league. What's Texas signature win? OKLAHOMA (potentially the best, most talented team in the country)!

I personally don't want to see Urban Meyer @ Notre Dame for the sake of Notre Dame. Hdouchee's a major . I won't miss him in the FLA recruiting wars though.

"Lab3003 wrote:

The SEC is having a down year, that's why Florida is surging. They've yet to really be challenged liked the Big 12 teams. It may be top heavy, but @ the top are three legitimate challengers for the national title (or at least two...). The worst team in the Big 12, Baylor, may not pose a threat for the worst team in the SEC, Kentucky, but don't think based on that any team in the SEC could survive in the Big 12 South

What's the signature win of the two SEC players, Alabama and Florida? Georgia? LSU? Both aren't exactly lighting up the league. What's Texas signature win? OKLAHOMA (potentially the best, most talented team in the country)!

I personally don't want to see Urban Meyer @ Notre Dame for the sake of Notre Dame.Hdouchee's a major . I won't miss him in the FLA recruiting wars though.

After LSU and Georgia's performance's this week, it all but kills ANY dispute on the top conference in CFB. Ofcourse the homers will try and dispute that but honestly it is reality.

"Skeet84 wrote:

SEC is better when you compare ALL the teams not just the top teams in the country.

Yeah like?

Like who? Georgia and LSU??? ROFLMAO!

"Skeet84 wrote:

Are you kidding me? Your comparing a small school to Notre Dame? Really? Notre Dame get recruits based on the name alone and most small schools dont have that. How many small schools have there own major TV deal? Did not know it was such a challenge to go play teams like Navy and Syracuse. Its a challenge to play in the best conference in America plain and simple!

What conference is that? The Big 12 is the best conference this year. The SEC is in a down year in terms of quality really only 2 top tier teams with 2 middle of the road teams.

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

What conference is that? The Big 12 is the best conference this year. The SEC is in a down year in terms of quality really only 2 top tier teams with 2 middle of the road teams.

The SEC is still toughest conference in the country. From top to bottom. Just because some of the big name schools have had less than stellar years does not mean they have horrible other teams. However we will all see in Bowl season

"Skeet84 wrote:

The SEC is still toughest conference in the country. From top to bottom. Just because some of the big name schools have had less than stellar years does not mean they have horrible other teams. However we will all see in Bowl season

Bro who else is good in the conference besides Bama, and Florida? I can't believe Georgia lost to Tech. The SEC is in a down year no matter how you look at it.

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

Bro who else is good in the conference besides Bama, and Florida? I can't believe Georgia lost to Tech. The SEC is in a down year no matter how you look at it.

Ole Miss has caught stride and they look great. They also came very close to winning v.s. Bama. There losses all came early in the year. SEC bottom teams are still pretty goood.

"Skeet84 wrote:

Ole Miss has caught stride and they look great. They also came very close to winning v.s. Bama. There losses all came early in the year. SEC bottom teams are still pretty goood.

Ole Miss is a nice surprise but overall the conference was middle of the road. SEC should be back on top next year.

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

Ole Miss is a nice surprise but overall the conference was middle of the road. SEC should be back on top next year.

Please name me a decent school other than TT, Texas, and Oklahoma? Please