I'm sure Will Allen was aware that Tebow was about to run.

 

I would venture to guess that this play works 70% of the time against any given team.

62% of all 2-point attempts that are runs are successful. Considering the Tebow factor, I don't think its necessarily that much of an indictment to allow a score on that play.

 

Simple breakdown....

My wife who knows nothing about football said Tebow was going to run it in.

End of subject.

 

Haven't you said something to this effect a few times now? Maybe she IS learning and you don't give her enough credit. :tongue2:

 

are we in a nickel defense there? considering you know tebow is going to run (even if he somehow passes, you take your chances) i think it makes more sense to have a LB in there instead in a more base package. and a DLine of odrick, starks, Paul and Wake/Misi

looks like it is Odrick and McDaniel in the middle and a straight up nickel defense that could be called at the 40 yard line at 3rd and 10

 

I was really hoping this thread was to figure out WHY Sparano went for 2pts (I dont think "The Book" says to do it). Thought maybe you had breaking news on this latest ineptitude!

as far as Tebow play.....Will Allen running right by him at top speed tells me everything I need to know about Coaching Em Up!. How the heck do you go full speed and not "break down"!

 

For whatever baffling reason, the QB draw/power in short yardage/goal line situation is a play that works against us beautifully. I still remember that stupid play against the Texans in 2008. Even in the good times that play wrecked us.

 

dont forget the packers last year

 

Or Matt Schuab before that. Every team seems to run QB draws on us on the GL.

 

Tebow's actually still running ....

 

I heard Joe Rose this morning. He said that he was sitting next to a 3 year old during the game and the three year old called the play.

 

I don't think I have, but I might have.

Even if she is, I am not giving her credit for it. LOL

 

Don't forget Big Ben or Sanchez.

It is an easy play to run because we have LB's and DB's that are routinely out of position. A lot of times the ball is snapped with them still trying to figure out where to line up. It is quite pathetic actually.

 

Did they call a hold on the play shown in the topmost photo in the article?

Regarding the article content a savvy coaching staff would have studied some film from Tebow's Florida days and perhaps been more ready for that play.

 

Why wasnt Soliai in the game in that situation, you know, on the ****ing goal line?! Ugh the coaching is terrible.

 

agree about Draw vs Power....but this says it all:

"Other than the unblocked outside rusher (W. Allen who took himself out of the play), not only were the Dolphins looking for the wrong things, they were also physically manhandled":cry:

regarding Mr. Allen and Dolphins' ability to beat themselves before the opponent does anything to impact that...:

The play was right in front of him, he is UNBLOCKED, and Allen removed himself from the equation faster than Tebow did!

 

Run defense is based on gap control, so I am not sure about them playing it significantly different if it's a QB draw or Power O. A defender has a gap assignment and he is supposed to handle it. It being a blitz complicates the matter, but normally blitzes maintain gap integrity (I think it's referred to as 'run fits').

The bottom line is we had 7 defenders in the box and the Broncos had 6 blockers. We got whipped physically and probably had a mental breakdown.

I will attempt to look at the video of the play later. Normally you can learn more from it than those blurry stills.

EDIT: Pulling guard is a pretty big key it's not a draw, but maybe since it was a blitz the LB's weren't reading keys as much as trying to fill their lanes?

 

Which is why Sparano is still the coach, how do you name Nolan as intern when his defense has not been ready all year. It's a total mess.

 

Will Allen blew the play, he had a clear shot and took a ridiculous angle, he should be ashamed.

 

I don't know why people are saying "Even my XXXXX knew it was a run". So did the the Dolphins and they played it like a run. They played it like a run up the middle, which wasn't correct, but it isn't at all unreasonable. Especially given that the Broncos lined up in an empty backfield after motioning a halfback out, something they tried to run up the middle out of doing earlier in the game.

Will Allen blew the play.

 

Unprepped/unprepared- Yes. And look to the coaching staff. Dumb- In NFL knowledge & skill? Overall no.

 

Ybell also had is share in the debacle...He played the play with absolutely no sense of urgency and completely jumped to the inside strait up with no vision of what was going on...I don't know what the hell he was doing, completely useless on the play.

 

check out this fu^%in mess of a defense..lol..scroll down on the page and check out the video..

http://www.finheaven.com/forums/sho...point-conversion-and-half-empty-stadium/page8

 

i watched the game with my brother and i said to him the broncos don't call it the wildcat its called the tebow. Sure enough tebow looked like ronnie brown and we looked like the pats in 2008 trying to defend it

 

Can someone also explain Sporano's stoopid 2 point conversion attempt? Just take the extra point you fool! I swear we have the dumbest coaching staff in the history of the nfl.

 

Coaching staff has probably been the difference between this team being 3-3 and 0-6. Just down to the conditioning, decision-making and what not.

 

There's a chart that basically dictates when a team should go for one or two. It's supposedly pretty ubiquitous, and the concept appear based on common scores and the speed at which an opponent can get them.

In the Dolphins example, they were up by 12 before their 2-point attempt. The quickest and most common score an opponent could get to tie/beat that is 14 unanswered points in two drives, so you go for a two to tie that potentiality. Beating it with 13 points requires three unanswered drives, a tie at 12 requires generally four unanswered drives. There's an underlying statistic assumption it is more likely you make the conversion than they get three unanswered drives against you, which I don't think is unsound.

 

For most teams this applies HOWEVER for this team points are a premium and they should go for the high % EVERY time.

 

Your statistical analysis assumes an offensive line with balls, which is what makes it likely that you get the conversion on a normal team.

 

Too early in the game to go for two, too many possessions left for Denver despite what the chart said.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...y-ran-wrong-defense-when-tebow-tied-the-game/


There is more in story. And this is why Sparano is still the coach, if you fire him who becomes the interim coach? You can't have Nolan because the defense has been a mess also.

 

I think there's an argument that they should have had different personnel on the field, but it's fairly uncontroversial to match the defensive formation to the offensive package. The Broncos came out with I believe 4 wide receivers a back, that's generally matched with a Dime package, which the Dolphins did. Otherwise you're potentially in a position of a linebacker being responsible for a wide receiver.

I was fairly irritated that they've been willing to give Jared Odrick most of his snaps as a 300 pound speed rusher going up against a Left Tackle, but couldn't get him on the field because it was a Dime not a Nickel package, but I don't know that fixes the play. Will Allen should have made that play.

 

I guess it's at least comforting to know we were at least expecting the run this time? Just... the wrong run.

Why we're in a nickel package there though, No idea. I'd have to agree with Langford on this one.

Im going to throw out this conspiracy theory though... Nolan's defense has been uncharacteristically bad all year. Could it be possible that Nolan is maybe sabotaging Sparano here, knowing full well that he's a lame duck coach this year after last year's experiment to get Harbaugh. Could it be that maybe Nolan is trying to weasel his way into the HC position on an interim basis, and hoping Ross might at least give him a shot, or hopes that another team might give him a shot at being a HC again??? It seems strange that this defense could regress so much in a year. I'm sure this is not what's happening, but stranger things have happened I suppose.

 

It's really not important which one it was. You knew he was going to run it. I knew it. The stadium fans knew it. Jesus knew it. But Miami Dolphins defense didn't.

 

According to the Palm Beach Post, the players knew Tebow would run it in. Mike Nolan apparently took the run-stoppers off the field and put in a scheme with more DBs than neccesary. Randy Starks, Tony McDaniel, and Kendall Langford had quotes about that play in the newspaper.

 

No team is going to give Nolan a shot when he is the defensive coordinator of the 2nd or 3rd worst defense in the NFL. That strategy would not work out for him.