Matt Moore has the tools to be a top QB in this league.

 

Whenever I watch Brady, Manning, Brees, and Rodgers, Matt Moore associations don't come to mind... He's a good backup.

 

well he DOES have two arms and two legs? I think brady manning brees and rodgers have those tools too.. :shifty:

 

Matt Moore at times can be excellent, but also true is at times he can awful

 

I disagree with you there. Moore is never going to be on par with someone like an Aaron Rogers or Drew Brees.

Miami will eventually find a great QB again some day. However, I will go out on a limb and say that Matt Moore is not that guy.

 

He has to become WAY more consistent. Plus he needs to pick up his anticipation. He is good at throwing to the wide open guy, however he isn't that good at throwing at spots to open the guy up.

One thing that I noticed when CK posted the Brian Hartline highlights was how Moore was consistently late with his throws.

 

The tools?

No, I don't believe he has the tools to be a top QB. His arm is nothing special. His accuracy is nothing special. His ball placement is generally bad. He's small, dominable in the pocket, and this is why he fumbles so much (14 times in 13 games is Tony Banks bad). He's not really adding much in terms of the kind of running ability that hurts a defense.

He was around the 20th best quarterback in the NFL last year. And that was a good year for him, with Brandon Marshall as a receiving target.

 

Nothing but your biased opinion on Matt Moore supports this statement.

 

who the hell took over your mind....??

 

Nothing, eh?

OK chief. How about you take the qualified passers in the league off Yahoo Sports and recalculate their passer ratings to account for rushing stats and fumbles, then get back to me on how Matt Moore's new rating ranks among the 34 qualified players.

I'll give you a hint. It starts with a 2. It ends with a 0.

LOL.

 

MMoore is a good Qb, BUT he simply must improve his consistency in terms of underneath accuracy.

IMO, he belongs in a Coryell style not a WCO variant as his strength is deep ball accuracy his weakness is consistent ball placement.

All in all, I'd take Garrard but would not be too disappointed of MMoore started regardless of the opinions of others.

 

I forgot where I read this, but I think it is a truism for evaluating QBs: Unless there are large men trying to kill the QB, any assessment of said QB is meaningless.

 

You guys realize we played playoff caliber football with Matt Moore? Nobody is calling him Tom Brady so save the drama. He does however have the tools to be in that second echelon of Qbs. He is.mobile and can make most throws. It just needs to all come together.

 

He went from having the tools to be "a top QB in this league" to having the tools to be "in that second echelon of QBs". Hmmmm.

 

How many games has Moore started tho ? Drew Brees was struggling and about to be replaced at that stage. Rodgers was just coming on and learning to win games.
I think Moore showed quite a damn bit really, for being thrown into the fire. It would be a shame if because he's normally a poor practice player, we discarded him without giving him a shot as the guy for a year.

I hope the fans are more patient with Tannehill than they have been with everyone else !

 

He is 27, so when might you think it will all come together?

When you look at his stats from last year against .500 teams, playoff teams, it isnt good.....

so fastforward to this year, because Miami's schedule is tit, he will put up stats, and then when they get rocked against a good team, people will be scratching their heads wondering were it went wrong....

Fin-O there was a reason he was a free agent and Miami picked him up when they did...

 

We did, how so???

 

Yep, but let's be honest here, either will rise or fall based on what the OL can do..last yr it was dreadful.

MMoore is approaching 30 starts, what he "is" will become readily apparent.

I also personally think going into the season with a full camp will be a boon to him, if he wins the job.

 

We won six games against a bunch of bad/injured teams and lost three games to the only decent teams we played in the second half of the season. Therefore we were playoff-esque.

 

6-3 do the math

What a bunch of negative BS from u "diehards" im assuming Henne would've led us ro the promise land. GTFO outta here.

 

I'm not sure if what you asked me to do is even a real thing. Some data from last year with rushing included and how they stack up.



Moore's rushing was bad, because of the 6 fumbles lost I'm assuming. How much of that goes on him can be debated forever. I can keep giving you things to support my claim from unbiased outsiders and you can keep telling me to hand calculate something on my own from yahoo but it won't matter. You're going to discredit Moore no matter what, just wish you had something better to back it up with, sport.

Edit: Image won't load :(

Can find the stats here: http://www.carolinahuddle.com/board...ith-matt-moore-all-better-than-cam-last-year/

 

A good rhythm passer? What the hell does that mean? Name me a good passer who's NOT a good rhythm passer.

 

A lot of the games he fumbled he was sacked 4 or 5 times. The ball is gonna come out. I agree that he needs to protect it better but the blame isnt all on him.

 

Quit acting like it's rocket science. Just adjust the passer rating to account for yards gained and touchdowns running the ball, yards lost getting sacked, and fumbles lost. Touchdowns, turnovers, yards, it's all basically the same thing.

People try and bring up JUST the passing, as if the fumbles don't exist, but it's a simple fact that Matt Moore tied for the league lead at the position in fumbles with 14, and the man he tied with Blaine Gabbert is pretty much universally agreed to have been awful dealing with pressure in 2011, yet he did start more games than Moore so his fumbles per game were even less than Moore's.

Incidentally, your "stats" that you brought up are not "stats" at all. They're ratings. You should learn the difference. Those are subjective ratings done by people at Pro Football Focus who watch tape and rate plays on how "good" or "bad" they look, the same as I do.

You said that NOTHING but my "biased" opinion supports my statement that Matt Moore was about the #20 or so quarterback in the league last year. Yet *I* brought up an objective statistical measure, and all *YOU* brought up was essentially an opinion-based set of subjective ratings.

You made a ridiculous and absurd assertion that nothing objective backs up my conclusion that Moore was about the #20 quarterback in the league last year. You were wrong. That's all there is to it. I never said that there is conclusive objective evidence that Moore was definitely the #20 quarterback in the league last year. I have not shied away from that being my opinion. However, your assertion that there is zero objective evidence for that is flatly wrong. Just flat out wrong.

 

Your math sucks. Matt Moore was 6-6 as a starter, and 6-7 in games in which he played significantly.

 

Lots of blah blah blah in there. You take sacks and fumbles, not all of which are lost, yet don't comment on how we had a very poor Oline. Moore was very high in the league in Total QBR, QBR, and a host of other stats out there readily available. No one is going to go back and calculate passer rating with sacks and fumbles as passer rating takes into account, attempts, ypa, etc and whatever you made up sure doesn't do that. Stats out there back up the fact that Moore was very good against the pressure as well. Moore completed 66.2% of his passes when pressured good for 3rd in the league. He was sacked a high percentage but that goes to pass protection as much as it does the QB. Moore also attempted almost 60 passes over 20 yards, possibly contributing to sacks/fumbles as the ball was held longer, and he completed them at a 47.5% rate (Attempts good for 4th in the league and comp % good for 9th).

I think you're focused just too much on fumbles. He sure could add some weight to his frame but it's not like our line or rookie back helped him much in pass protection. We were rated 17th in run blocking and 30th in pass blocking.

I'd love to see your calculation for Moore though and your QB rating system play out for some other guys in the league.

 

Moore had his faults, especially in some close games towards the end. But when do you ever expect a QB to play to his full potential in his 1st year with a team? Not to mention a season in which he got there a few months before it started and was prepped as the backup. He showed flashes, more than Henne ever did. Whether he can improve upon that is the question.

The fact that he got better as the season went along should be an indicator. Didn't he throw 15-5 down the stretch ? Fumbles are fixable ! :lol: We did have some of the worst pass protection in the whole league. Lets include that in the evaluation.

 

Moore has started 25 games in his career, and 12 last season for the Phins. He's now going into his 6th season, and he's still just an average QB. 5 years is plenty enough time to develop into a legitimate starter, and he hasn't.

I disagree. I don't think Moore showed anything of note to warrant serious consideration as a franchise QB. He had 12 games as a starter, and one game as a relief QB for the Phins. Personally, I've seen enough to tell you he isn't the answer at QB. You disagree? Fine.

Wait and see who's right.

Spoiler: It's me. :wink2:

If he plays well and wins, fans will like him. If he doesn't, fans won't like him. Just like every other Miami QB. I wouldn't try and put any more into it than that.

I'm no hater... Moore just isn't very good.

 

Yep, of course detractors ignore how dreadful our OL was, 2 starters are no longer in the league.

MMoore had a solid QBR, solid Td/Int ratio as well, and the D gave up 4 4th qtr leads, but once again..blame the Qb.

That said, Garrard is more athletic, more ball conscious and can rush for Td's, this is one of the reasons why I prefer him to MMoore..but who knows how it will play out?

 

Moore also was #28 in the NFL in passing yards per game and had only 16 passing TDs in 12 starts. Let's put that into perspective, shall we? Drew Brees averaged over 340 yards per game and had 46 passing TDs. Brees' stats aren't just 'better'... they absolutely dwarf Moore's, and should be an indicator of exactly how 'good' Matt Moore really is, in the grand scheme of things.

Matt Moore is nothing more than yet another wanna-be in a loooooong line of wanna-be QBs to play for the Miami Dolphins. He will fit somewhere between Joey Harrington and Gus Frerotte.

NEXT!

 

He was highly efficient to say the least, and MMoore is in start 25, Brees is at what?

Over 100 starts?

In your opinion, MMoore with a full season tops the 20 Td mark, probably more, this behind a dreadful OL.

 

He was named the Miami Dolphins team MVP.

Im assuming you "gurus" didnt do the voting by the way you are pooping on the guy.

 

I don't care if Moore has 200 starts... he's never going to be a legitimate starting QB, regardless of his experience level. Just like 90% of every QB who competes to play in the NFL. Brees has it. Moore does not... not even close. That was my point.

You know, if we were discussing a rookie or second year player, then, yeah... I'd say give him some time to develop. But, Moore is no rookie. He's had his chances. He's an average NFL QB (at best), and unless you have a historically-good defense, an average QB just isn't going to cut it.

You guys can keep wishing, and hoping, and spinning the stats all you want... it just ain't gonna happen. It's Tannehill time. He's the guy they drafted, he's the guy they need to develop right now.

20 TDs? That's nice... NEXT!

 

That says a LOT more about the state of the Dolphins than it does about the skill of Matt Moore.

 

I think Reggie was obviously our MVP, but I still like Moores upside.

 

So you acknowledge you were wrong. Apology accepted.

 

Either way, I think Garrard starts. Moore did well but I just don't think he will have the upper hand on Garrard.