Goodell gives Miami an ultimatum...no soup for you!!

When was this said DJ?

"Berezo wrote:

When was this said DJ?

Rule changes press conference..

Goodell = Soup Nazi...

it all makes sense now...

"Hurricane wrote:

I don't think it needed to be said. This isn't anything that Ross & Co. were unaware of.

Think he was just reinforcing it for the Miami voters.

"Hurricane wrote:

I don't think it needed to be said. This isn't anything that Ross & Co. were unaware of.

I'm campaigning for our team..they and we need this the most..we cannot continue to be at such a disadvantage when it comes to home games..

"Hurricane wrote:

Are you insinuating that Goodell, perhaps, wants the Super Bowl in Miami, too?

He came across as its a very unfortunate situation if this bill doesn't get passed, " everyone wants to go to Miami for the Super Bowl" it's a fantastic city for the event"

"djphinfan wrote:

I'm campaigning for our team..they and we need this the most..we cannot continue to be at such a disadvantage when it comes to home games..

This is not the place to campaign DJ...

You campaigning here will have minimal, if not zero impact. Most here will favor it already. If you want to make an impact with your campaigning... do it in a place where there is a decent amount of opposition.

Here it is just wasted time/energy...

"Hurricane wrote:

Are you insinuating that Goodell, perhaps, wants the Super Bowl in Miami, too?

I think he wants the Super Bowl in a renovated stadium in Miami.

I travel to away stadiums every year. Miami is not even close to the worst venue in football.

"djphinfan wrote:

To summarize, he said that he respects the job Ross has done, and loves his approach and vision about the stadium, says Miami needs to pass the bill, that there's to much competition now, he said and I quote, everyone wants to go to Miami for the Super Bowl, BUT, there is too much competition now.".. Interpretation, either pass the the bill or you get nothing..

Your move Miami..do you wanna play with the big boy markets, or do you want to let your culture continue to deteriorate, and continue to play in the worst venue in football, do you have the patience and vision to do the math on missing out on world class events and superbowls, or are you gonna blame the marlins and make a bad investment choice for your city...think big picture.

The city will make their 200 mill back, and much more..it's healthy for the city's perception, healthy from a world perspective, healthy for the economy, and extremely healthy for our culture..Our owner is a good owner, if you don't pass it, I'm sure he will cover you, but man is that a shot into this football culture, don't complain when the Peyton mannings of the world snub you when the time comes.

Look what happened here in San Diego. The two super bowls we've hosted here were excellent. Sunny warm days. But alas, none the last decade.

Can't say anything about Miami, but San Diego's stadium is pretty crappy.

"jdang307 wrote:

Look what happened here in San Diego. The two super bowls we've hosted here were excellent. Sunny warm days. But alas, none the last decade.

Can't say anything about Miami, but San Diego's stadium is pretty crappy.

Miami's isn't as bad as SD's. But when compared to the new stadiums, its not very good.

SD is a good example of a perfect location losing out on SBs because of a less competitive stadium.

The new Marlins stadium was called a visionary world class facility. MLB just awarded the 2015 all-star game to Cincinnati over Miami. : /

People aren't gonna vote for this after what the Marlins just did. Stephen Ross has the money, so he can pay for it himself.

"djphinfan wrote:

To summarize, he said that he respects the job Ross has done, and loves his approach and vision about the stadium, says Miami needs to pass the bill, that there's to much competition now, he said and I quote, everyone wants to go to Miami for the Super Bowl, BUT, there is too much competition now.".. Interpretation, either pass the the bill or you get nothing..

Your move Miami..do you wanna play with the big boy markets, or do you want to let your culture continue to deteriorate, and continue to play in the worst venue in football, do you have the patience and vision to do the math on missing out on world class events and superbowls, or are you gonna blame the marlins and make a bad investment choice for your city...think big picture.

The city will make their 200 mill back, and much more..it's healthy for the city's perception, healthy from a world perspective, healthy for the economy, and extremely healthy for our culture..Our owner is a good owner, if you don't pass it, I'm sure he will cover you, but man is that a shot into this football culture, don't complain when the Peyton mannings of the world snub you when the time comes.

The city and local area will make $200M for every SB that is there...While you can't count on them to happen every year, the reno's would be good for at least 2 SBs...

Minny was horrible. It is a bad version of an indoor Orange Bowl with a caving roof. Cleveland's stadium sucks almost as bad as the city. That's just two I have visited over the last couple of years. We have to be in the middle of the pack somewhere if we are going to be realistic about the crappiness of our stadium compared to the rest.

"Hurricane wrote:

Where would you put us? Who's at the bottom?

I've only been to a few football stadiums to compare, but what I can say about our stadium (IMO) is that it is very average. I do really like the architecture and colors inside and out, but it doesn't have the feel of a great stadium. I can't put my finger on it, but even when the fans have been into the game, it wasn't exactly a Lambeau atmosphere. I think it's a few, relatively minor changes away from being great. Not sharing it with the Marlins (as was the case the last time I was in town) was a huge plus. In that era, I'd put us bottom 5 without a doubt. I hated having the diamond on the field--especially when it rained.

"Hurricane wrote:

That was a shot at Loria, and nothing more. If we traded teams and ownership with the Nationals, we have the 2015 ASG before a Strasburg fastball reaches the plate.

The city had nothing to do with the latest firesale. We were promised an all-star game that would bring in revenue to the local economy, and that promise went to ****.

"Stringer Bell wrote:

Miami's isn't as bad as SD's. But when compared to the new stadiums, its not very good.

SD is a good example of a perfect location losing out on SBs because of a less competitive stadium.

This!

Take it how you want in relation to Miami's stadium issue.

"Joe Robbie wrote:

The city had nothing to do with the latest firesale. We were promised an all-star game that would bring in revenue to the local economy, and that promise went to ****.

To be fair, Miami is a pretty toxic baseball market right now.

"Hurricane wrote:

Where would you put us? Who's at the bottom?

I've only been to a few football stadiums to compare, but what I can say about our stadium (IMO) is that it is very average. I do really like the architecture and colors inside and out, but it doesn't have the feel of a great stadium. I can't put my finger on it, but even when the fans have been into the game, it wasn't exactly a Lambeau atmosphere. I think it's a few, relatively minor changes away from being great. Not sharing it with the Marlins (as was the case the last time I was in town) was a huge plus. In that era, I'd put us bottom 5 without a doubt. I hated having the diamond on the field--especially when it rained.

True, since Robbie made it a combo stadium (football/baseball), it lost the old feel of being close to the field that the OB had, that fields like Lambeau, etc do, but it doesn't really feel any different than the Jet/Giant stadium, the new facility in Washington DC, Foxboro, Arizona, etc... These reno's will put the facility back on the map again at least for a while...

Wow I did not know Peyton Manning, Harbaugh, and fisher snubbed us becaust they all have nicer stadiums. Thanks for explaining how people should make a bad investment with thier money in order to attract those type of guys here. I'll bet if Miami had announced it was building a new stadium prior to last years draft, Andrew Luck would of demanded that the Colts sent him to Miami or he would just sit out for a year.

"Stringer Bell wrote:

To be fair, Miami is a pretty toxic baseball market right now.

True. But that's not the point. People here aren't gonna vote for it after what just went down.

"Joe Robbie wrote:

The new Marlins stadium was called a visionary world class facility. MLB just awarded the 2015 all-star game to Cincinnati over Miami. : /

People aren't gonna vote for this after what the Marlins just did. Stephen Ross has the money, so he can pay for it himself.

To be honest, I don't think Miami would have gotten that AS game no matter what they built. Selig knew that MLB owed the Reds an AS game ever since the city ponied up the money to build GABP in 2003. He has apologized to them more than once in the press about not getting one up there more soon.

"Joe Robbie wrote:

The city had nothing to do with the latest firesale. We were promised an all-star game that would bring in revenue to the local economy, and that promise went to ****.

"Hurricane wrote:

Sure they will. Ross/Ireland recently brought in a new coaching staff, got amongst the priciest free agents this year, and even got new jerseys and logos.

What could possib--

/sarcasm

He also kept everyone's favorite GM. Lol

There is very little evidence to support that public funding for private stadiums has these positive effects on local tourism, guys.

http://heartland.org/policy-documents/research-commentary-damaging-effects-tourism-taxes
http://www.american.com/archive/2008/april-04-08/a-closer-look-at-stadium-subsidies

Not to mention the that, combined with the Marlins situation (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-marlinsfinancials082410) I'd totally understand people saying no. The NFL, for what it is, is a complete scam. Not for profit organization that holds cities hostage for subsidies while making false claims about economic growth.

For every away game you earn that extra money from the visitor tax, you are losing 2 weekends of visitors who go to similar destinations, just because the cost is greater now to come to Miami. That hurts tourism. That hurts the city. These are all great reads. Now, it's not to say that it's 100% against building new stadiums with taxpayer funding... but don't do it under the false claim of "It'll improve business and tourism and we'll make our money back in no time!"

http://www.imakenews.com/cppa/e_article001083889.cfm <--- This is the best article to read, IMO.

In the last 20 years, billions of public and private dollars have been spent building sports stadiums across the United States. Proponents of a new stadium often cite economic development benefits that will be associated with the new stadium. Academic economists have not found statistically significant relationships between various measures of economic growth and stadium construction. The academic studies probably better capture the effects of a stadium because they are not subject to a number of errors that often occur in the economic development assessments done by pro-stadium advocates. However, throwing out the economic development argument does not necessarily lead to rejecting public spending on stadiums. Quality of life arguments may justify public subsidizing a sports facility

"FinNasty wrote:

This is not the place to campaign DJ...

You campaigning here will have minimal, if not zero impact. Most here will favor it already. If you want to make an impact with your campaigning... do it in a place where there is a decent amount of opposition.

Here it is just wasted time/energy...

hoping that some of these beat writers that come here may get a little inspiration to help rally this doormat culture, maybe write an article on what this 200 mill could do for a team, a culture, a city, simply from a monetary POV...

I mean if it doesn't get passed and Ross decides not to do anything, the losses will be huge...it simply makes sense if you take the guard down.