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Greg Jennings vrs Mike Wallace..a year later.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, May 1, 2014.

  1. Alex44

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    If you think who the receiver is impacts your throw as a QB, on the fly, you've never played football in your life at any level and I doubt you understand what goes on mentally while a play is happening.

    That or Im mentally tougher than our QB....one or the other.
     
  2. jdang307

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    I was highly critical of the move to grab Marshall but I do like him. I just preferred someone with a higher YPA, and Brandon isn't outrunning anyone but he's a great outlet for a QB. Brandon plus Alshon is a deadly combo.
     
  3. Fin D

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    So, you should never let how much someone is getting paid to color your expectations of their performance? What the hell is FA pay based on then?

    No, its being used as a figure of speech. I know, I know you can't wrap your mind around anything unless its taken literally. (<----I don't mean taking your brain and physically wrapping it around something.)

    This ^ is just stupid.
     
  4. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    From the same article:

    Now I know we had the only coaches in the NFL that would rip a player to the media, so effusive praise for a player (who even thought his own season sucked) should be taken as an absolute fact. Seriously, you guys are ridiculous.

    Ok then, why doesn't Tannehill just rip it to Wallace? Is it because his arm is weak? An arm that even Wallace said was stronger than Big Rape's......
    Is it because he's stupid? Is the pre-med QB dumb?
    Is it because he's scared? Who without Wallace in his first year was one of the best QBs against the blitz....
    Please enlighten us as to why Tannehill just won't let it rip if not for the fact he doesn't trust Wallace will go get the damn ball......
     
  5. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    You're right. All the QB does is just throw to the open guy, he doesn't factor in the individual WR's speed or timing when throwing the ball. In fact, chemistry between a WR & QB doesn't exist, because how could it if who the individual receiver is never crosses the mind of the QB on the field.

    On a side note, I think I speak for the board when I say we'd love to here about your NFL QBing days.

    (For future reference, ^ post was me being snarky. Now you know the difference, and knowing is half the battle. Go Joe.)
     
  6. Fin-Omenal

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    Fin D is drowning, someone through him a preserver.
     
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  7. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Two players had more deep targets than Wallace in the league last year. It was also more than he ever had in his career. That isn't a problem.
     
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  8. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Taking what a coach is saying about a player at face value is about as dubious an exercise of critical thinking as wondering why a guy literally isn't giving 110%

    Wallace's route running isn't good. To the point where you don't really even have to be someone who really has cultivated any sort of extra understanding of it to notice it.
     
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  9. Fin-Omenal

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    Maybe if Wallace ran better routes he could get open a lot.

    Hold on?? He WAS open a lot.
     
  10. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Mike Wallace's days are numbered in Miami. He never should have been signed in the first place. Poor scheme fit due to poor route running ability and lack of versatility, and now we see that he lacks a work ethic.

    Dolphins will draft Mike's replacement this year, and eat the cap hit it will take to release him after the season. Poor, poor signing by Jeff Ireland.
     
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  11. Fin-Omenal

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    A 5'9 mid rounder is going to replace Mike Wallace......LOLOLOLOLOL


    If the contract is an issue and they decide to part ways, I sure hope they have a better contingency plan than that.
     
  12. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Herron is already better with his routes than Mike Wallace is, and he played both inside and outside in Wyoming's offense. Brings more versatility to the table, better route runner, more willing to go up and get the ball. Will probably actually work with his quarterback some in the off season as well, unlike Wallace. Miami has also worked out Mike Evans, Odell Beckham Jr, and Marqise Lee. Lee could be a potential target at 19. Dolphins also have interest in Brandin Cooks and Donte Moncrief. So, it isn't just Robert Herron they are looking at. He just happens to be the guy they went to workout most recently.

    Also, contract isn't as much of an issue with Wallace as his play is. He's a limited receiver that can only run a couple of routes in the tree and can only play on the right side. Lack of versatility, poor routes, poor work ethic are much bigger issues than contract at this point. The contract is just the nail in Jeff Ireland's coffin.
     
  13. Fin-Omenal

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    Most of us knew what Mike Wallace was/is before he signed. It's the pundits who believed his contract would turn him into Calvin Johnson who struggle daily. Mike was paid to take the top off and make big plays, he has done his part in those areas thus far.
     
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  14. Stringer Bell

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    He was good at one of the less valuable things for his position. He is the world's greatest bridge salesman.

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
     
  15. Fin-Omenal

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    Again, I knew what Mike could do before he got here...and he did it.
     
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  16. invid

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    If given the option to redo last year without Ireland, I'm not sure Philbin would sign either Jennings or Wallace.
     
  17. KB21

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    No, he hasn't.
     
  18. Fin-Omenal

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    Yes, he has.
     
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  19. Fin D

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    Lol. Yeah, I'm the one drowning.

    You've consistently got your *** handed to you by everyone arguing against you. All you come back with, "he's fast"
     
  20. Fin-Omenal

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    You are making yet another poor attempt, then describing yourself and claiming it is me. You lose again. How many is that?? Oh I see, 52,470.
     
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  21. Sceeto

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    You would've thought, huh? :pointlol:
     
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  22. Disgustipate

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    That's not true either, there was a big push before he was signed that Wallace was totally not a one-trick pony and Mike Tomlin even said so!

    And he's absolutely hasn't made big plays here, and hasn't really been all that remarkable since 2011 in that regard.
     
  23. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Just stop. Your entire argument consists of "Wallace is fast, Derp"
     
  24. Fin-Omenal

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    He has been in numerous positions to make big plays, that's our point.
     
  25. GMJohnson

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    This benefit of the doubt you extend to Philbin is borderline comical.
     
  26. RGF

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    Actually, towards the end of last season it was probably more like Wallace saying why should he trust Tannehill. I`m not saying it was solely Tannehills fault either, I can only imagine what was going through Wallaces mind when he was open deep numerous times only to turn around and see Tannehill on his ***.
     
  27. GMJohnson

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    At least Wallace is the best at something.

    Joe Philbin's skill set appears to begin and end with getting rid of as many good players as possible and winning inter-office power struggles.

    The guy has never been a HC at even the Pop Warner level and yet I'm hearing knowledgeable football people on this forum defer to his "system" over proven, Pro Bowl caliber veterans? And now we talk draft picks based on whether Philbin will approve of them. Fugg that.

    He's the supposed OL guru who's team just set a franchise record for sacks allowed. And all the while he's walking the sideline doing what? Coaching em up on the bench? Hell no. Meeting with Tannehill? No. What the fugg does even do? He's like the man w/o a purpose. Belichick is a legend in the game, and he's constantly coaching up his DL, DBs , even Brady on occoasion. He's earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to picking his own players. Philbin claps, and yells let's go to no one in particular. He hasn't earned jack sheeit.

    So enough with dumping on good players b/c they aren't exactly what Joe wants, like he's the only coach to ever have to deal with guys he didn't necessarily want. The excuse making on his behalf is way outta control.
     
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  28. GMJohnson

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    That happened an awful lot, as in several times per game. RT either on his back or forced to come off of Wallace bc the pocket is collapsing. That's why it's so silly to blame Wallace not fighting for balls or RTs deep accuracy.

    Theres this insatiable appetite for scapegoats. In a single year we have gone from Ireland to Ross, Sherman, Philbin, the OL, RT, Wallace, Ellerbe, Wheeler, who's next?
     
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  29. RGF

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    Premature assumption if you ask me. If Wallace AND Tannehill light it up this year I hardly think the people in charge will say " Wallace had a great year for us , He`s got to go."
     
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  30. Sceeto

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    Wallace did exactly what he was brought here to do. He got "college open" deep many a time. He also did more. He actually ran more routes than even I expected. I posted about it right after the games. Regardless, he wasn't brought here to be Bess or a Welker, etc, etc, etc. Some of those quick, short passes that he took to the house was done purely with his elusive speed. If those passes were to Hartline or even a Jennings, they are not TDs. Tannehill himself as well as the coaches as well as just about anyone else in any way related to sports, could see and mentioned that Tanne needs to work on his timing, deep ball accuracy and anticipation. So. everyone under the sun, aside from a few posters on a fan website(which I love, by the way :pointlol:). has no idea what they're talking about or what they're seeing?? ok, right. Even that dude alen1 had a long piece about how Tanne needs to improve his timing and anticipation. This debate is just so stupid, but it is definitely entertaining, so please, keep it up. :up:
     
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  31. jdang307

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    Don't disagree much with what you said but are you sure about the bold? What makes that so?
     
  32. jdang307

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    Seriously. Sherman's the fall guy but WTF was Philbin doing the whole year? If he had a problem with Sherman's playcalling why wouldn't he change it? Obvious answer is he didn't have a problem with his playcalling.

    We debate endlessly Wallace vs Tannehill but in reality, perhaps it was the coaching the whole time.
     
  33. Disgustipate

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    Mike Wallace looking open deep doesn't mean he actually was, and this has been explained multiple times with nothing other than purposeful obtuseness in response.

    There's got to be a better argument than insinuating with no proof that Wallace was open deep a lot because he looked open to you on TV. Well, that and denigrating Tannehill.
     
  34. jdang307

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    Out of30 something deep throws to Wallace, Tannehill was inaccurate on all but 8 of them. So either Wallace was open a lot deep or Tanny was forcing it to him ...

    Throw in a few for Wallace not being in the right spot just for good measure.
     
  35. GMJohnson

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    Agreed. Philbin either liked what Sherm was calling or he was too impotent to fix it, I dunno which would be worse.
     
  36. GMJohnson

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    I'm pretty sure I know the difference between open and not open. TV doesn't tell the story but coaches tape sure does.
     
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  37. Disgustipate

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    It can be fairly subtle? I'm not sure what to tell you, but there wasn't a whole hell of a lot left on the field. If anything, there was stuff on the field that shouldn't have been. Mike Wallace has no business being targeted as often as he was.
     
  38. Disgustipate

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    "Catchable" doesn't mean that it was the quarterbacks fault. It means it literally hit the receiver in the hands.

    That's all the balls Mike Wallace didn't want to extend for or come back to the ball on. So there's a whole **** load of a lot before you even get to Tannehill being not great on deep passes.
     
  39. Fin-Omenal

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    That's false hope analyzing. Mike Wallace is faster than any DB covering him, if anything he was "open" more than you and some others realize.

    Another ridiculous comment that lacks merit, you guys are on fire!
     
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  40. ToddPhin

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    Ahh yes yes, the "Mike Wallace can't do anything but run deep" fable. I like that one. The non-fiction version is a little better though.
    On throws of 10 yards and less, 70.6% of Wallace's targets were completed [48/68].
    On throws of 20 yards and less, 62.6% of Wallace's targets were completed [67/107].


    Let's see how that compares to your exalted king-of-route-running Brian Hartline shall we.
    On throws of 10 yards and less, 66.2% of Hartline's targets were completed [49/74].
    On throws of 20 yards and less, 60.2% of Hartline's targets were completed [74/123].

    Looks the title of world's greatest bridge salesman belongs to a different Miami receiver. :wink2:

    To take it further, let's see how these stats compare to Tannehill's overall completion percentage over those distances.
    On throws of 10 yards and less, 69.6% of Tannehill's attempts were completed [272/391].
    On throws of 20 yards and less, 64.2% of Tannehill's attempts were completed [344/534].

    Gee look at that, your golden boy Hartline was also inferior to Tannehill's stats, so I guess that means it was HARTLINE who was the one most holding Tannehill back, made all the more disturbing by the fact Hartline received more favorable coverage opposite Wallace. That's far from Miami maximizing the position..... and is probably why we'll be drafting his eventual replacement in a few days.
     
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