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[Grier Retained for 2025, this thread has been locked] Hell yea!Bye Grier!

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by pumpdogs, Jan 4, 2025.

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  1. cbrad

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    6 SBs won by WCs in NFL history. Given the number of WC teams per year, that means expectations of us winning the SB should be in the range 1 out of 50 years lol. Don't think I'll last that long haha.
     
  2. cbrad

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    If Tua can learn to play smarter and not get himself injured, we'll probably take a step forward. Maybe not as far forward as we'd like, but it should be better than this year. The guy missed 6 games, and 4 of them were due to his stupid decision making! That's unacceptable.
     
  3. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Me neither!
     
  4. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    The concussion play wasn't even a bad decision in a vacuum. It's just a bad decision solely for him because he's so very fragile. Ignoring that he's been told time and time again to avoid it, he still does it.

    He's the LEAST hit QB when throwing in the NFL already. There's no acceptable amount of hits his body can take. There's no avoiding this. On top of that, he's got this mysterious tear in his hip. He'll probably be done after next season either via injury or the Dolphins moving on.
     
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  5. Finatik

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    I think it was stupid to put him on IR. He could have just missed 2 games instead of 4 IMO. It's nice to protect players but he needs to play.
     
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  6. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Lmfao

    All I can do is laugh about this season.
     
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  7. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    No he's not. Including sacks, Jackson gets hit 2.7 times per game. Allen and Tua both average 3 hits per game Lawrence was hit 3.2 times per game. I'm sure there are more, but I stopped looking.

    So now his injury is a "tear"? Did you get this from a reliable source or just making stuff up, again?
     
  8. firedan

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    I can't make it another 50 years watching this and hoping for a realistic chance of winning a super bowl.The stench is real.
     
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  9. StaleTacos

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    Just to further emphasize the point of Tua and his lack of being hit but still constantly being injured.

    Also read this on Twitter, "Since 2022, Tua has only scrambled 33 times, which is good for 32nd among qualified QBs in that span."

     
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  10. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    Get proven wrong and move the goalposts… lmao..


    In 2022 alone he rushed 35 times. So… yeah… you’re wrong again. Lmaooooo


    Oh… Burrows has missed the same number of games. It’s not about the number of hits, it’s the severity of the hits.
     
  11. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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  12. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    Tua played in 10 1/2 games and not a "whole season". Huntley was put on IR after a hit that injured his shoulder. Both were hit while scrambling and not while passing.

    You're not very good at rational thinking, huh?
     
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  13. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    Oh, and last season, in 17 games, Tua was sacked and hit a total of ~60 times and played the entire season.
     
  14. StaleTacos

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    Nice to see more Tuanoners see the light!!

     
  15. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    You either didn't read the tweet in it's entirety or you didn't comprehend it. This isn't the "gotcha" moment you think. lmao
     
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  16. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    Remember when Dolphins "fans" were hoping we'd miss the playoffs because then it would be a sure thing that Grier would be fired?


    That was funny.
     
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  17. JJ_79

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    Such dishonesty…
     
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  18. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Actually, many thought he would ultimately survive, but that the only hope for getting rid of Grier was a bad season.

    Unfortunately, even 8-9 was apparently too promising of a season to jettison the dead weight at the top.
     
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  19. JJ_79

    JJ_79 Well-Known Member

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    Watched Dophins Deep Dive today. I think Perk brought it up: „ They failed so good in parts of the contracts, that it‘s best to keep them one more year around“ or something in that context. Was a good listen, Hyde was there as well.
     
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  20. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    You realize the posts from multiple people still exist showing exactly what I wrote, right?
     
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  21. RGF

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    ^ this
    At least now it makes a bit more sense as to why his head-scratching posts are so ridiculous.
     
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  22. Tuanon4Life

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    The last few weeks of the season if I remember correctly. It started getting heavy before the Browns game.
     
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  23. JJ_79

    JJ_79 Well-Known Member

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    Res answered to your ridiculous post already, there you should find all the answers you seek…
     
  24. dolphin25

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    I wont be alive that long
     
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  25. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Right. Even the people who said they didn't want to win, because that was a surefire way to keep Grier, were very upfront that losing wasn't a guarantee to get rid of Grier, but it was a better chance than winning.

    I'd argue that we won too many games. They have excuses as to why it wasn't a good season. So we are stuck with Grier again. I believe I said months ago that in order to be rid of Grier, I think we need to be below 5 wins. If we had won only 4-5 games this season, with all the expectations that media and fans had, 4-5 wins would have made a much stronger case that heads had to roll.
     
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  26. Fireland

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    It was also pretty unrealistic to think they really could have only won like 4 games without Tua just never returning
     
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  27. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yeah I agree with that. But it's also just another example of why they would want us to lose. With Tua, we win enough to be almost relevant, which keeps us out of reach of that actual franchise QB we desperately want.
     
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  28. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    So if the Dolphins with Tua have won the same number of games as Cinci with Burrow… does Cinci also need an actual franchise QB?
     
  29. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Lol

    Ok. Even if I were to grant your premise, it wouldn't mean that I was saying we should have Burrow. I wouldn't be happy having a guy with Burrows injury history, but I don't think it took the same level of abuse to get him injured as it did Tua, and Burrow has gone farther. Burrow doesn't seem to disappear in big games like Tua.

    But whatever. I'm not sure why you in one breath will claim that Tua isn't better than Burrow and that no one ever claimed that, while also always wanting to compare Tua to Burrow. I don't really understand what you're arguing here. What did Burrow have to do with the post you quoted?
     
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  30. danmarino

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    I’m saying that winning has more to do with team play. Tua has played lights out and the Dolphins still lose a lot of the time.
     
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  31. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yes, I obviously believe that winning is a team stat, and in and of itself should not generally be used as a metric by which to judge a QB. Tua generally has not played well in the big games against the good teams. I'm not disagreeing, there were team factors that absolutely played into that. However, we're seeing Tua do things rookies do, when he gets under pressure against good teams. It's not like Tua plays as well as can be expected given what's around him, it's that Tua is often a part of the problem.
     
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  32. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    All QB’s suffer under pressure. It’s just that good teams win even if that’s true. Look at Burrow’s 2nd and 3rd playoff games. He had a 93 and an 86 passer rating in each, respectively. Average to below average games for Burrow. The Bengals won so Burrow is considered awesome. There were a couple of games this season where Burrow had 110 and higher passer ratings and the Bengals lost. People here say, “Damn, too bad Burrow playing such a bad team. Look at how well he played. What more can he do??!!”

    Tua has a 125 against the Bills and loses. He has a 115 against the Packers and loses. People say, “Tua just didn’t do enough! Winning is what counts, not stats!” That’s pretty much verbatim as to what was said around here. How is that fair?

    And the opposite is also true. Tua puts up a very average 91 passer rating against the Rams, but wins. Now he’s credited with winning a game against a playoff team. The same things apply to Herbert, Burrow, all QB’s.


    Point being, Tua, like all QB’s has had good and bad games against good teams. The Dolphins lose a lot of those games regardless of how Tua played, yet he gets the blame of they lose. Whereas these other QB’s get the benefit of blaming their teammates or coaching.
     
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  33. resnor

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    But dude, again, passer rating is relatively meaningless without context. I don't remember if it was those games, but if you look at QBR, flawed as it may be, it paints a different picture of some of these performances.

    Rating isn't points. Tua was getting high ratings without scoring a bunch. A ton of easier to complete short passes and screens, tons of YAC. All ratings are not equal. I dunno, we're just not gonna ever agree on this, I don't think.
     
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  34. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    They scored over 30 in the Bills game. Last year, even if you knock down the 70 points against Denver to 30, they still have the 4th most points in the league.
    You can’t get a 125 or 115 passer rating without having a great and highly efficient game. However, you can have a really high QBR without either. And no one knows why because ESPN won’t release the formula.
     
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  35. danmarino

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    Also, with Tua this season, the Dolphins averaged around 25-26 points per game. That’s a top 10 offense.
     
  36. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Again, though, those stats almost exclusively when against non winning teams
     
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  37. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    How many PPG did those team's defenses give up last year and what did the Dolphins score? What did those team's offenses average and the Dolphins' defense gave up?

    The Bills defense averaged 18 PPG. The Dolphins scored 20 and 14.
    Dallas defense gave up 18. Dolphins scored 20
    Ravens gave up 16. Dolphins scored 19.

    The offense did pretty well against some really good defenses.

    Was the reverse true regarding the Dolphins defense?

    Bills offense averaged 26 PPG. Dolphins defense gave up 45 and 21
    Ravens offense 26. Dolphins defense 56
    Cowboys offense 29. Dolphins defense 20
    etc etc
     
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  38. dolphin25

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    I'd take Burrow over any QB in the league.
     
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  39. dolphin25

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    are there any HOF QB's with losing records?
     
  40. resnor

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    Probably not, but I also believe that almost HoF QBs have teams built around them allowed for long term success. Like I don't believe that wins are necessarily in and of themselves reflective of the quality of the QB.
     
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