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Harbaugh thinks Luck staying in College. Panthers Fans on Suicide Watch

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by adamprez2003, Dec 27, 2010.

  1. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    According to Peter King of Sports Illustrated, Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh told him he thought Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck was leaning toward staying for a fourth year.

    King said to Harbaugh Sunday that he heard the Luck family (his dad, Oliver Luck, is a former NFL quarterback) was concerned with the fact that drafted players, because of the prospect of a protracted work stoppage, might not even see their playbook or start practice 'til Labor Day -- or later.
    "I don't think that's the correct logic,'' Harbaugh said from his home in northern California. "But I do think it's more likely he'd come back. If I had to bet one way or the other, I'd bet he's coming back. He loves college. He loves the college life. He's such a good kid -- and so smart. He's got a 3.5 GPA in Architectural Engineering, and all along his plan has been to go to college for four years, get his degree, then figure out what to do with his life. This is a kid who has a plan. And he's a kid who's not the big-man-on-campus type. He just fits in.''

    http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescr...aning-toward-staying-at-Stanford/Default.aspx
     
  2. ckparrothead

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    While other people read that article and see "Andrew Luck's family wants him to stay"...I read that article and see "Jim Harbaugh thinks he should leave".

    Count on Harbaugh to prevail in this one. Especially since Harbaugh himself will probably leave.
     
  3. schmolioot

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    I give Harbaugh credit. He's thinking about the kid, not himself.

    Too many coaches don't. Looking at you Pete Carroll.
     
  4. dolfan22

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    I agree with both points.
     
  5. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    You could be right. Maybe carolina should offer harbaugh the head coach job
     
  6. padre31

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    Panthers fans..back away from the edge, slowly..climb back into the window..
     
  7. sports24/7

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    Right. I said it in another thread, but you'd have to think if (maybe when) Harbaugh leaves it should increase the chances of Luck leaving. Plus, he's almost certainly a lock for the #1 pick. That's hard to turn down, especially when there's the potential of a rookie scale in 2012.
     
  8. SICK

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    i live in charlotte. the fans here would be on suicide watch if luck doesnt come out. jerry richardson would probably have his house burned down :lol:
     
  9. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    The last college coach I've seen in any sport publicly convince a star athlete(s) to leave was Billy Donovan, so that's pretty cool if he's urging Luck to go.

    Poor Panthers. They have a couple down years and are suddenly the Bills.
     
  10. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I never understood why you would stay to get an education. That is throwing money away when you can still get your education playing professional football.
     
  11. ckparrothead

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    Absolutely, fully agreed.

    He's getting his education right now. His job is going to be football, and playing football at Stanford gives him an education in that job. He should prepare for that job, and that probably means coming out. Now, he probably knows this. As his dad says, it boils down to what he wants to be. Does he want to be a football player, or does he want to be an architectural engineer. You can ALWAYS go back and finish off your degree. You only have so many playing years.

    Between Jim Harbaugh's influence, his Dad insisting that Andrew will make his own decision, Andrew's being a smart, logical guy, and the logic CLEARLY pointing toward coming out...I have to disagree that he won't come out. I think he will.
     
  12. ToddsPhins

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    For the overall college experience of it (and b/c he's still playing football). What's the rush to get into the NFL when you're still going to be making mega millions? Do you really need the money a year sooner to where you just cant live without it?

    Why can a guy not enjoy his last year in college before the s*** really hits the fan and the pressure kicks in? You can finish your degree while in the NFL, but that's not the same thing as finishing it with your class, your friends, and playing your Senior year with hopes of a national championship. There are things in life that are more important than money...... and there are life experiences that money can't buy. I'd stay and enjoy my senior year too if I knew I'd be making $70 million when I graduate.
     
  13. ToddsPhins

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    His education and job preparation is for architectural engineering, not football..... and he clearly has a huge passion for it. Why should he jump around- go to school, then the NFL, then finish his degree afterwards when he's 1 year from finishing now while everything is fresh to him?

    He could be a 35 year old man when he's done in the NFL. Who wants to go back to school after being out for 13 years when he can finish it now while it's more enjoyable to do so, try and play for a national championship, and have his degree in hand and ready for when he retires or is injured? College is a fun experience when you're 21 and have less "adult" responsibility; it's not so fun when you're an old man on campus. Why should he give up 1 year of enjoyment in his life in order to hurry up and earn a payday? I mean, he's still playing football isn't he. Isn't that why most of us play football in the first place?--- b/c we love it?.
     
  14. CaribPhin

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    I think it's entirely possible he leaves, and finishes his degree in the same year:

    1. If a CBA gets done, there will most likely be a Rookie Cap. If he leaves and none gets done for this season, he'll be a very rich man.

    2. With a lockout, he'll be able to do classes I presume. If there's no play, he gets rich AND he gets to finish school.

    3. A Matt Ryan level deal of $70 million+ is a lot to leave hanging.

    4. If Harbaugh leaves to Carolina, it'll look like a done deal.
     
  15. Stitches

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    While I can understand your argument, even if he were to stay and get his degree, by the time he was done in the NFL nothing he learned in school would be fresh so IMO it wouldn't matter if he got his degree now or later (in fact it might be better to wait). Hell, I'm only like 2.5 years removed from my engineering education and a lot of what I learned in school has been replaced with OJT.
     
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  16. ckparrothead

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    Well if he thinks he's going to make $100 million in Architectural Engineering, or be one of the best Architectural Engineers on the planet, all the power to him. He does, however, have a shot at $50 million as a football player, and to be able to say that he is legitimately one of the best football players on the planet. He can easily finish one more year of schooling at age 35. You can't necessarily play another year of NFL football at age 35, just because you want to, ask Chad Pennington.

    Football is his occupation. It's about time he grows up and realizes it. He's not working toward it so that he can finish his degree, pull out of the Draft and forego the NFL, decide to be an Architectural Engineer. As Jim Harbaugh says, he's operating under incorrect logic.
     
  17. ToddsPhins

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    This is all true, but try telling that to a well-grounded kid with a good head on his shoulders who has an obvious passion for architecture. He smiles from ear to ear when he talks about it. Entering the NFL now means he has to pass up on that for while, and I'm not sure he'd want to give up his 2nd passion a year early. That's just my impression. Why would he give it up now when he can still have 1 more year of both passions?
     
  18. ckparrothead

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    If he's well-grounded and has a good head on his shoulders, I expect him to see that Architectural Engineering will be available to him a lot longer than an NFL playing career. I think it's maturity that is exactly the factor here. He likes his college lifestyle, he likes the Architectural Engineering stuff, and he wants to have his cake and eat it too...but he's playing with fire. One big injury, it could all be over. I don't see him losing his draft position to Matt Barkley but it is of course possible. And let's say for a moment that he isn't actually destined for NFL stardom...one more year of college will only give the teams more opportunity to see that for themselves before they go ahead and give him a $50 million bonus. That's what happened to Matt Leinart.
     
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  19. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    It is a lot easier to work on your passion when you have $100 million in the bank. If he has a good head on his shoulders and if he does have a long NFL career, then he should realize that he can finish his degree during his 10 year NFL career. Plus the fact that if he going to be a Architectural Engineer after his playing days, he is going to have to continue his education because a 10 year old degree will be a little out dated.
     
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  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    It can end in an instant. Players have lost millions by not striking when the iron is hot. IMO, Jake Locker lost a lot of money going back for his senior year. He might have convinced a team to take him in the first round and that he has potential after the huge improvement he made between this sophomore and junior year. Now he will be lucky to be a 2nd round pick.

    I do agree there are things that are more important than money. Winning a Heisman and going for a National Championship would be an amazing experience. So is being drafted #1 over all and signing a monster contract. He is basically working for free, when he can do mostly everything while getting paid a lot of money.

    I would get out when the getting is good. Plus the fact if there is no rookie cap this year there will be next year and he might lose 40 million dollars or more if he is still the #1 pick the year after.
     
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  21. DOLBET

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    "I would get out when the getting is good. Plus the fact if there is no rookie cap this year there will be next year and he might lose 40 million dollars or more if he is still the #1 pick the year after."

    I do not get why people think this. That is wrong wrong information...

    1. If CBA passed - Rookie Salary Cap is in for this year rookies....

    2. If CBA not passed by draft - No teams can sign rookies until new CBA is passed so Rookies will be waiting for contract.... Therefore there will be Rookie Salary Cap for new draftees because they will be signing contract after CBA passed...


    No matter what happens, Rookies will have Rookie Salary Cap this year.
     
  22. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    you do not know that.
     
  23. caneaddict

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    someone offers u $50MM, u take it. simple as that. worry about everything else later, money buys choices
     
  24. ToddsPhins

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    I agree with you, but I don't think that's how he's thinking at the moment. He wants to have his cake and eat it too, and he's probably thinking that his big strong self isn't prone to injury.
     
  25. DOLBET

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    I don't know what?

    That rookies can't sign contract until CBA is passed..... That is fact.
     
  26. DOLBET

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    I did mention this link in another post but here is the link to information.

    If there’s a lockout, will there still be a draft next spring?

    Yes, but it won’t be business as usual for the teams or for the players they select. With no CBA in place, teams won’t be able to sign players, and those post-draft minicamps will be non-existent. Also, in the absence of a CBA, the league’s ability to generate revenues from the new crop of big-name draftees will be limited. In other words, if you want to purchase one of those sweet new Jake Locker jerseys in the aftermath of his being drafted, you’ll have to buy one without his name on the back of it or wait until a new CBA is signed.

    That's from http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-laborquestions090810
     
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  27. ToddsPhins

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    Those are reasons why "you" would do it, and they're legitimate reasons..... and trust me, I'd be highly weighing those same reasons if I were in his shoes, too. I'd also ask some past Heisman & National Championship winners if they could put a price on their trophies or if they'd be priceless. If I get a lot of "priceless" answers, then I'd know that there are 2 things that $100 million won't buy me. Plus, if I took the money, I'd have the "what if" factor playing in the back of my mind long after I retire from football.

    His rationale could very well be: "Am I (and my family) starving enough for the money 1 year earlier to where it would make me pass up on 3 dreams: Heisman, Championship, and graduating with my Stanford class the right way rather than 13 years later. If I know I'm gonna eventually be a multi-millionaire, then I'd be very inclined to go after the things that money will never buy me.
     
  28. ToddsPhins

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    "worry about"? like choosing to go after a national championship?... a Heisman?...... graduating in 4 years with your friends from Stanford like you've dreamed of? Money can buy those choices? Sorry but money isn't the end all be all meaning of life..... and having $50 million can get boring. There's only so much stuff you can buy before you grow tired of it and are left wanting something more meaningful than a pocket full of cash. You act like this is his only opportunity. He's the most talented QB to come out in a while. The money will be there when he's ready to take it.
     
  29. sports24/7

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    I believe he's too smart to be that ignorant. I think when it's all said and done he'll take everything into account. His draft status, the CBA, potential injuries, etc.
     
  30. sports24/7

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    It's not like they won't eventually get paid when the CBA is agreed upon, or they won't come to some other agreement allowing those players to be signed. I'd rather come out this year with questions about the lockout, etc. than wait until next year and risk having to be subject to a rookie cap or wage scale.
     
  31. ToddsPhins

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    2 question for you:

    1. Would you skip work for a day if it meant being able to watch a big Dolphin game?
    2. If you were allowed to take off from work right now for a year to do something that you're highly passionate about and it won't cost you a penny and your job will pick up the tab and make sure your bills are taken care of for the year, would you do it?
     
  32. DOLBET

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    You know that owners and veteran players want rookie cap to be effective asap?

    I do not believe owners and players will sign agreement allowing rookies to be signed before CBA agreement is reached.

    The rookies are ****ed this year or next year in salary because they have to follow the cap or tiered pay scale.

    Thats why there is so many talented players coming out for draft last year and there is lack of talented players this year.
     
  33. mroz

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    I find it hard to believe that a guy is going to pass on being the #1 overall pick of the draft and the benefits that come with that. I don't care if the guy has a passion from roasting peanuts... that is a lot of money...
     
  34. sports24/7

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    Right. It's possible, and maybe likely the rookie wages will be the same this year compared to next year, but the possibility of that not being the case could be enough for me to take that chance. We're talking about potentially a lot of money. And there's really almost no way they'd make less this year compared to next.
     
  35. Big Red

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    Dolphins Fans too. Since it will have a ripple effect that could affect whether or not we are able to draft one of the top quarterbacks coming out.
     
  36. sports24/7

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    Not necessarily. If Luck comes out the Panthers will almost certainly take him. If he doesn't I wouldn't think they would take Newton unless he blows everyone away in workouts and interviews and even then I'm not sure. They have a lot of needs.
     
  37. NorFlaFin

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    THe Panthers are incredibly cheap. It's the reason why Cowher isn't looking at the Panthers which leads me to wonder.

    Will they take Luck? With the QB and all that? When the Dolphins took Long it was partly a money situation, so does history and cheapskateness repeat itself?
     

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