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Hard not to miss this fire

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Fin-O, Aug 8, 2018.

  1. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    (He cusses for those who it offends, do not click)

    Say what we will, but this is the Jarvis fire we all miss and wish was still around from that standpoint.

    I support the decision to trade him, however this type of leadership is like he say’s 34x.....contagious.
     
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  2. Den54

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    So glad he's off our team. Leadership? Don't make me laugh!
     
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  3. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    I can respect this more, IF I saw you post something like this when he was still a Dolphin. Some have, you may be one of them.

    But don’t be that guy that acts like he was some worthless player who we hated having on the team in his tenure here.
     
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  4. Den54

    Den54 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He was a cancer and those in the know, know.
     
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  5. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    so glad you posted this, i was watching this last night and the best thing he said was "i cant take no days off because i cant be great that way" funny how this kind of passion was too much for gase. Got his money and still telling people to practice as well as himself. Thats a gamer if i ever seen one. Big ups to you Juice!!!! Miami has had little greatness since #13!!
     
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  6. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    “In the know” as in guys who have $20 to sign up for Club.

    I get he was giving Gase and company some trouble when the team was losing. But he was here for years without these issues.

    I won’t demonize him for complaining to the coaches in that 2017 setting. Others want to? That’s fine, I just think it’s kind of funny.
     
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  7. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    he was a cancer because he has passion and wants to win, Miami's mediocrity wasn't good enough for him? that's a cancer? a cancer is someone like TO who no matter what happens is never happy, if Juice was a cancer he would be pissed off going to a win less team hes not he has fire and wants to win.

    Its funny to me i read all these posts of everyone "in the know" yet miami has never gotten better when everyone's a cancer i wasn't thrilled with the ajayi trade but it could be positive with drake. We let a top 5 receiver go for peanuts and have noone to fill his shoes juice does alot that noone really even understand how big juice was to miami and asking edelman to produce the same way isnt going to happen.
     
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  8. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    I’d be quite happy with Edelman!!

    I’m not sure we will suffer drastically without his skill set, but my god he was a fireplug on the field.

    Not ashamed to admit I will miss that.
     
  9. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    This is who Landry is. Great play followed up with acting like a dumbazz.

     
  10. Stringer Bell

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    I'm not sure emotional instability constitutes leadership.
     
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  11. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I can take that video two different ways-

    1) He wants the team to get better and he was trying to give a passionate speech about working hard.

    2) He was tired and felt others weren't pulling their weight. He was pissed because he had to work harder than others....which is the EXACT OPPOSITE attitude of what he's lecturing them about.

    One is a leader stepping up, the other is a selfish jerk who makes everything about him. I'll let you guys decide which version we just watched there.
     
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  12. Fin-O

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    I wouldn’t say that athletes sit back and analyze in that way.

    Athletes are a different animal, guy’s like Jarvis CAN motivate other football players.

    He may not have a post football career in speaking to corporate America, but he just might be perfect for athletes.
     
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  13. patcobb

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    Miss him. Having said that Im tired of having our whole O run through him. We used to pigeon hole it to B Marshall and then juice. I think Gases O will be much more dimensional. Which will hopefully translate into more points.
     
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  14. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Great post. Agree
     
  15. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    If our offensive line is as good as expected, that opens up the entire offense. Part of the "screen game" came from weak protection and having little other choice, which made players like Landry a great fit. In my opinion though, no player should receive 160+ passes their way per year unless the offense is putting up 40+ a game. The lack of scoring and poor 3rd down conversion rate clearly illustrated that Landry was not our best option...he was basically our only option other than a quick pass to Drake or Parker.

    This season I expect to see a balanced offense with a lot more people taking ownership of a winning culture. Drake should have better running lanes. Wilson, Grant and Stills should have more clean looks on deep routes. Amendola, Parker and Gesicki will be able to work from sideline to sideline. It all starts up front though and that's the key- giving RT enough time to work the whole field.
     
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  16. djphinfan

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    I’m not smart enough in that field to know if that’s the right thing to do for a culture that’s been a joke, maybe it is..who the fu## knows..

    Here’s what I know. I know I would of paid him 12 mill a year, and I know that he can’t play on the outside effectively, I know he’s very talented inside his own box, and I know his demands were met by another team..
     
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  17. Fin-O

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    Good move by a team with a stud outside guy, and more than enough cap space
     
  18. Tin Indian

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    Loved the guy on the field doing his thing. The guy has great hands and plays hard.
    He also produces stupid penalties repeatedly. I cant say about the locker room, I wasn't there.
    I do miss him on the team but I also think we are going to be just fine without him.
     
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  19. djphinfan

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    Who’s the stud, Gordon?

    Right now they don’t know when Gordon is coming back, Coleman was traded, and Callaway just got pooped for Maryjane..
     
  20. Fin-O

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    All indications locally are that Gordon will be back for the season opener. And obviously when he plays......he’s special
     
  21. Bumrush

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    This is how I feel about Jarvis.

     
  22. mooseguts

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    Did the Dolphins know that before they offered him a 5 year 55 million dollar contract? I wonder how often teams make cancers their highest paid WR.
     
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  23. djphinfan

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    The thing you have to remember is his judgement and how that reflects in his character, he had no reason to sh## on us or the qb, but he did... to me that shows he has serious immaturity and entitlement issues
     
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  24. Fin-O

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    Typical young wr
     
  25. The_Dark_Knight

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    I'm not sure how to take that video. Almost sounded like a verbal beat down of his teammates. Guess we'll see how it translates on the field during games.
     
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  26. Fin-O

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    You know, it's important to note that how we feel about Jarvis after the fact is a personal opinion rather it's right or wrong on any of our parts is unknown and unprovable.

    So anyone claiming otherwise, or trying to poke fun for those of us who didn't flip the switch to acting like Jarvis was a horrible guy and nobody wanted him, aren't "loving it" we are simply just seeing it differently.

    No reason for anyone to hop on a high horse over something so basic.
     
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  27. Fin-O

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    I think teammates that WANT to change that culture and WANT to work will respect it. We all know he at the very least busts his *** in practice and games.

    However after that team is like 1-5? All bets are off in regards to how he responds i think.
     
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  28. invid

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    I do think he's being honest in the clip.

    Whether or not it's effective is up for debate. I was having flashbacks of Jameis Winston's infamous "Eat a W" pregame hype up while I was watching.
     
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  29. djphinfan

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    there’s lots of young receivers that would be grateful for that contract and have the class to not crap on the guy that threw you the rock more targets than any other receiver, if he had half a brain he would know that the targets given allowed him to make that amount of catches, he displays no ability to have perspective
     
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  30. Fin-O

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    I'm not going to defend the attitudes that many of these young good successful WR's have, however it is quite common and we wanted to keep this WR that all of a sudden everyone around here is claiming is a worthless head case who is only good because of his targets.

    I just can't be THAT guy.
     
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  31. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I get what your saying, he’s not an easy eval.. but it’s quite possible his personality and locker room presence was not team oriented, none of us know for sure.. we did see selfish signs, and we see how he was when he departed, which like I said, doesn’t reflect well on who he was when he was here, what don’t we know about him ya know?

    I agree that we loved him in our uniform and on our field, but wouldnt you agree only for the right price point?

    O, he’s out in public right now telling everyone that because he was blessed by god to play football he now goes around to everyone saying “ bless you”

    That’s crazy talk man
     
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  32. Fin-O

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    I totally do not believe he was team oriented during those frustrating times last season.

    We want to give Adam Gase, Devante Parker and the team as a whole all these passes for 2016 because of Jay Cutler, hurricanes, and coaches doing blow off of escorts....

    But some (not you) seem to insist on demonizing an obvious emotional player who was frustrated with the situation he found himself in as well. And the fact the team offered to make him our highest paid WR tells me that we most likely are overanalyzing or overexaggerating the talks he was the modern day T.O.

    Again, I can't tell you I would've been happy with paying him what the Browns did, I do think him not being here can possibly make us a better offense in the long-run. I fully support our team trading him.

    I just refuse to attack his character to make myself feel better about the situation, that's too typical of how people on social media react to just about everything.
     
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  33. Pauly

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    My comments

    1) Knowing the camera is there changes how people behave, so I don’t know enough about Landry’s off camera behaviour to know if that is genuine or not. If it isn’t how he behaves when the cameras aren’t there then it will not work.
    2) Not knowing the context, but if one of the people he was calling out was genuinely injured then what he said could backfire badly. On the other hand if other players were not working through fatigue then it could be effective.
    3) he inferred this was what was done in the past at the Browns, but he wasn’t there. Again this has a risk of blowing up in his face if the Wrs from last year think he’s spouting off about things he doesn’t know about.
    4) “That s#&t is contaigous” hmmm, maybe a reference to Devante Parker.

    Without knowing more about the situation/background I’d say it is more likely to turn his teammates against him than motivate them, but if it was in the right situation it could have been effective.
     
  34. KeyFin

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    I was a massive Landry fan up until around week 9 or 10 last year. He had that violent block over the middle of the field and lots of folks said it was dirty....I personally didn't think so. But then a series later a few players get nose to nose and Landry is in the corner of the screen punching an opponent in the neck (the refs didn't see it). And just like that, all my fandom flipped from a fanatic to a skeptic.

    He had several more stupid penalties in the following games and those 1st down celebrations started to piss me off- you don't celebrate a six yard catch when you're down 20. What really did me in on him was AFTER game 17 when he punches a guy, then said "There was nothing else I could do- the guy choked me!" He had almost two hours to reflect on starting a brawl and his very first response was that it wasn't his fault. That tells me he's just too darn immature and doesn't get it at all- he had to be traded in my opinion and I would have lost respect for the team if they didn't.

    He is absolutely a cancer and he never once bought into what Gase was trying to accomplish. It was always about money and fame for him. It took me 4 years to see that and he literally convinced me to hate him over that six-game stretch. That's never happened to me before in any sport, with any athlete. I honestly feel more fan-loyal to Jay Cutler than Landry at this point...that's how disgusting his final six weeks in Miami were.

    You guys have no idea how hard I'm rooting for Cleveland to go 0-16 again.
     
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  35. Nappy Roots

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    I love this video...whether Jarvis did it for the cameras or not. This is the type of fire I felt like I saw every Sunday and I will miss seeing it tremendously. Do I think our team is worse off? I think Jarvis is a really good player that got overpaid. As good as Jarvis is, I am not sure we are worse off because of our other WR additions.

    Regardless, still love him and his passion.
     
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  36. Fin D

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    If this fire is so great, why were we not great when he was here with all that fire?
     
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  37. djphinfan

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    Pretty sure it was the cameras, and if players sensed it, then that team is toast.
     
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    I can't bring myself to root against Cleveland. 1-31 last two years and 4-44 last 3? Got to be terrible for the fans. Hate their uniform colors but I'll be quite pleased if they win a decent number of games.

    I also want to see at least SOME success with their moneyball strategy. Go 0-16 or so again and it will seriously inhibit future experimentation like that in the NFL. I personally don't think statistics is that useful for drafting purposes, but I also don't think it's completely useless, and you need teams to experiment like that to find out what works and what doesn't.
     
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  39. Pauly

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    Look at the body language of the other people in the room.
    By my count there was one person genuinely engaged by what he was saying (front left), one half engaged/half bored (front right). The guy in the middle right looked switched off, but the other 2 in the back row were giving very defensive body language. Now body language is very inexact especially when looking at individuals you don’t know well for a short time, so we can’t assume too much.

    However, the majority of the body language I saw was negative. Now if that is a true indication of how it was recieved in the room he may well have caused more harm than good with that speech.

    I had mixed feelings about Jarvis, basically when you went back to his efficiency numbers they didn’t add up to anything special, even though I felt really positive about his on-field effort.
     
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  40. KeyFin

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    Well, if you look at their drafts over the past several years, they've completely missed over and over again. Then they turn around and make Landry one of the highest paid receivers in the game- I just can't see him making that much of an impact when he couldn't make one in Miami. Everyone loves Landry's passion but I don't see that translating to wins unless they find their QB and completely revamp their defense.

    I haven't followed their other trades this year- I'll definitely comment more after watching Hard Knocks. It's recorded on the DVR but I hadn't had time to watch it yet.
     

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