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Heath Evans and others suspended

Discussion in 'Other NFL' started by dirtylandry, Dec 12, 2017.

  1. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree I drink your milkshake! Club Member

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    Right up there with pizza delivery drivers.
     
  2. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    what is pantsing? never heard of that one
     
  3. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    never heard that one before.
     
  4. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    As a father with daughters. You are my role model and hero. :D
     
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  5. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yes! lol...

    However, not many of them are keen on the 65 year old, geeky, awkward surgeon hitting on them.
     
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  6. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Its sneaking up on someone and pulling their pants down in public.
     
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  7. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    oh, that has been going on for years right, not just doing it to a girl thing. i think boys do that to boys too, not that that makes it right.
     
  8. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    I was referring to the continued pussification of the country through the propogation of extreme feminism. It refers to the Kardashian culture effect going on now which looks to turn men into Caitlyn Jenner. Remember bruce Jenner the perfect respectful loving husband and father who was surrounded by beautiful women like yourself and ultimately let them have their way with him until his manhood was completely gone?

    BTW I have no problem attracting and retaining Women, I am a fairly good looking guy, am well off financially and I understand and respect Women. I also know however that there are as many manipulative women out there as there are guys, they just operate differently and use different methods.

    And if I were you I would stop handing out physical threats on message boards, it reeks of insecurity and I highly doubt you could kick my *** in real life. I train with professional fighters on the regular and I hold my own with most of them.
     
  9. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree I drink your milkshake! Club Member

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    It is obvious that those two statements are false.

    Also, your entire post reeks of insecurity with a dash of crazy. Literally crazy. Like, you should be locked up to protect society crazy.

    Men's right activists are worse than flat earthers.
     
  10. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    I've been getting my *** whipped for years. Had one guy do it five times before he got tired and quit. Think you got something to teach me? I was getting put in the hospital by a guy who was a lot like you when I was 8 yrs old. What you got? Kick my *** today, I'll be back for more tomorrow because evil is evil and I fight for the light. I will NEVER FEAR someone like you.

    I apologized to the board for my posts and the personal attack against you last night. I'll apologize to you for last nights post also. Not for this one tho.

    I feel sorry for you man. Looking at life thru those filters of yours must suck. Find peace.
     
  11. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    Funny you should put it that way, I am a fairly attractive guy and I have had aggressive advances attempted on me from gay men on a few occasions, I simply shut them down and embarrass them to where they would never try it a second time.

    Women have no problem rejecting and shutting down men when they want to. In my experience most men will not even try if the woman doesn't give them some sort of oppening, and even if they do it's even less common for them to continue once they have been clearly rejected.

    Doesn't it seem funny to you that these 6 different men had her number and felt comfortable enough to make advances at her and she never said anything all that time or shut them down until after she got fired?
     
  12. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree I drink your milkshake! Club Member

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    Have you never actually talked to a woman?

    I have known many women who are afraid of shutting men down based on what they will do to them. Especially ones who are bigger and stronger.

    It doesn't seem funny at all that 6 different men had her number and felt comfortable enough to make advances on her and she did not want to say anything until she got fired. How is that remotely funny? It makes so much sense that a person would do everything to keep their highly prestigious job, that she has to deal with harassment everyday with work being another place, and finally when society starts to actually look to possibility believe and support women that she would finally come out after being unjustly fired.

    It makes perfectly logical sense and has nothing to do with his stupid immature idea of pu******* of society.
     
  13. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    6 different men had her number? That makes it OK? I've handed out many thousands of business cards with my number on it. Nobody has ever texted me a picture of their junk. Maybe cuz I'm a fat old man and not an attractive young lady?
     
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  14. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree I drink your milkshake! Club Member

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    Apparently only sluts have business cards.
     
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  15. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Again, I resemble that remark! I'm just not an attractive young lady so nobody cares if I am a **** or not. And now that I've been married a LOOOOONG time, retired **** is a more appropriate title.
     
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  16. Pauly

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    Most women I know are very careful about who they give their phone numbers to. And if one ex-jock started sending her dickpics then why did she keep handing her number put to 5 more. She’s a make-up artist, what reason has she to be giving these guys her number? It isn’t as if they’ll need professional makeup for going to a wedding.

    In no way am I saying that what these creatures did was right, but there is something about this story that is ringing my alarm bells.
     
  17. invid

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    I don't know, she was a makeup artist on a "breaking news" type of network, it might make sense that she was on call, plus all it takes is for one person to have your number to disseminate it to a bunch of other people. Also, believe it or not, these people on NFLN might use her for private events outside of work. This is, admittedly, all guesswork on my part.

    If what she says is true, it should be easily recoverable. Let's see what happens when the other shoe drops. I don't think she would make such dire accusations without some convincing evidence. But I'm willing to suspend any of my own personal hunches until the case goes through (all of these cases, really).

    Heath Evans is still a douche.
     
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  18. djphinfan

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    lol..karma a ***** eh Evans...doucherat...predictable too
     
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  19. Pauly

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    Make up artist are hired by the studio, not the on air talent, so even if they requested her as their preferred make up artist there is no need for them to have her business card. I am no expert on the TV business but make up artists are supposed to be pretty low on the totem pole.

    I have no doubt that what she says is true, as far as the events are concerned. What is concerning me is whether or not it is the whole truth.
    I would not be surprised that when the totality of the messages come out that a different picture emerges.

    As you say Heath Evans is a douche and pro athletes (well famous people in general too) are used to getting sex whenever they ask for it, so douchebag behaviour is the normal standard for them. So it wouldn’t surprise me if she has told the whole truth.

    There’s enough warning bells going off for me to be very cautious about this one.
     
  20. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    No, stop being a **** human.
     
  21. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Why do you assume that it happened like that? I have no idea how they all had her number but I doubt it was because "one ex-jock started sending her dickpics then why did she keep handing her number put to 5 more". Maybe her number is on the company website? Mine is.

    The whole it could be her fault argument is disgusting. Yes, there are times when women abuse the system. But do you really think any woman WANTS to go thru this ish? Just so they can earn a paycheck?

    What the Neanderthals in the room STILL don't get is that none of this, none of the womens actions, none of the men's actions that are coming to light have anything in common with sex, or sexuality or romance or normal female and male interactions. Those things are not supposed to happen in the workplace.
    It's got NOTHING TO DO WITH SEX!!!! It's about power and control and respect. And these animals (they don't meet my standard for men, sorry) who think they can control women in this way need to be corrected.

    Just stop the victim blaming.
     
  22. Pauly

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    The simplest explanation is that she gave her number to each of the guys independently.
    To assume otherwise is to believe that the players conspired to harass this woman by the most easily proven method known to mankind.
    Now if they’ve conspired together to treat one woman like this, why stop at one? Where are the other victims?
    In the abscence of other victims then the simplest explanation is she willingly gave the ex-players her number. If more victims come forward then I will happily revise my opimion.

    I do not assume she is lying, nor am I saying anything about her motives. Historically there are plenty of cases of wrong accusations brought forward for a multitude of reasons, ranging from mistakes made in good faith, financial gain, revenge, being caught up in hystera (or doing what they think is expected of them a la Salem witch trials) for political gain, to cover something embarrassing. All I am saying is that at this point I do not believe the full story has come out.

    In a previous career I investigated workplace harassment claims. When the Jonathon Martin thing came out I quickly and publicly said here that what he was saying fit workplace bullying patterns perfectly. There’s something about this one that doesn’t fit the normal pattern, primarily sexual harassment in the workplace is usually done individually, rarely by a group, and I've never seen a situation where a succession of individuals has harassed the same person in the same way. But after saying that I’ve seen how pro athletes treat women, so what has happened isn’t out of character for pro athletes even if it is out of character for regular joes.

    If and when the full texts, including relavent texts between the ex-players come out we’ll have a better idea of what went on.

    At this point in time I’m happy to say the ex-players behaved like pigs. The open question, for me, is whether it was harassment or something consensual she had willingly participated in.

    Saying I want to wait and see the evidence before making a judgement is not and never has been blaming the victim. Rushing to believe an accuser is how the Salem witch trials happened.
     
  23. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Just...WOW.

    I gotta take a break. People are making me throw up in my mouth a little bit right now.

    See ya'll after the Fluffy Ho's game.

    Oh the flippin humanity :cry:
     
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  24. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    one solution in this example might be having a 3rd party always with two others. My dermatologist's asst never leaves the room. It is a fairly new practice.
     
  25. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    our Buffalo game will be co-anchored by a woman on Sunday. Beth Mowins. Woman or not, we need to hear someone other than Jay Feely
     
  26. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It was most likely a necessity for her job that those she dressed could get in touch with her. I have the phone numbers of all the Cardiologists and Interventional Radiologists that I work with. About 8 are women. Maybe I should send them a text of my dick because they gave me their number?
     
  27. Rickysabeast

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    So you're saying that no man has any rights? Anything that comes out of the mouth of a woman against a man is gospel just because their lungs powered the words or their hands the keyboard?? We seem to be heading there. Sure, 90% of the guys getting brought up probably did it bit I'm sure somewhere there are a couple women making stuff up. There needs to be some level of accountability before it gets to the media. This used to be called slander when it was false now it seems to not even matter.
     
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  28. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    this is the delicate matter hitman was killed for.
    Some cases don't make sense, but the collateral damage is devastating. Here is a woman that was being harassed by 6 men. How does this even happen?
     
  29. Rickysabeast

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    It shouldn't. It's reprehensible. She had an HR department to go to but it's the NFL network so I'm sure she was turned away or har her job threatened. Here me correctly, I do not condone harassment of any kind. Sure there are times where fun and just workplace goofing around gets mistranslated but that was not the case here. There were obvious boundaries these guys blew past and they deserve what they get.
     
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  30. dirtylandry

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    I agree with you. after a while, the "men over-powering," "not wanting to lose your job" excuses run thin. There are resources available to her to help her. Guys will get away with things until they can't
     
  31. danmarino

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    It's quite possible that she "played along" due to fear. It's common for that to happen in these types of situations.

    A women is surrounded by men and instead of being the "ball busting *****" she tries to be "one of the guys". Maybe she says a few crude jokes, laughs at a few of theirs...you know...to fit in. This is all normal human behavior. However, the men are now feeding off of each other and go further and further. Now she feels guilty because society has told her that she "led them on".

    In reality, a human should have the ability to "play along" and yet still expect people to not cross certain boundaries or they should be able to say "Stop, that's crossing the line" without fearing any repercussions. Sending dick pics or rubbing your crotch on a woman or groping, etc etc is crossing that line. Normal men understand that. I promise you that if Faulk witnessed another man doing what he did to this women he would kick his ***.

    And frankly, it's thinking like yours and hitman's that has caused all of this.
     
  32. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    what? I was agreeing with you all the way. However, you have to be open to cases that seem fishy. One woman and 6 guys? Cmom man
     
  33. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I just explained away the "fishiness".
     
  34. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    How does it happen? Six men decide they have the right to harass a woman. What the **** is so hard to understand?
     
  35. hitman8

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    What is a little hard to understand is how she did not shut them down or complain until after she got fired, and how they all had her number and felt comfortable enough with her to try it for an extended period of time without getting rejected.

    I'm not saying she is lying about them sending lewd messages, what I am not convinced of is that it was not consensual or that she really tried to stop it at any point before she lost her job.
     
  36. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree I drink your milkshake! Club Member

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    I don't understand how that is hard to understand. Even a little. It all makes perfect sense.
     
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  37. Vertical Limit

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    The most disturbing trend going on in social media is this repeated joke that a lot of guys are saying in just about anything

    “”She’s going to accuse him of sexual assault in a few years”.

    Really, guys? This is funny how?
    Lol i stopped replying as soon as hitman was justifying their behavior.... i believe the woman accusing them.

    Now granted, there are women out there who are straight up lying and our filing heavy lawsuits to cash in, but when you provide detailed evidence, filed a complaint, arent seeking money, then its best that everyone keeps their mouth shut and give your condolences to the woman.
     
  38. hitman8

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    Women know how to shut men down and reject them when they really want to. The "she didn't want to lose her job" excuse doesn't cut it for me. If they actually fired her for rejecting sexual advances then she would have a clear cut lawsuit there. In this case letting it go on for so long makes me think she could have been manipulating the situation and decided to cash in at the end.
     
  39. dirtylandry

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    I agree. If she had kept the first text or recorded anything, and then went to HR and they fired her, she's be rich. Instead 6 guys later and all of the other junk in between (no pun intended) and you ruin the careers of people? enough is enough
     
  40. texanphinatic

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    Good thing nobody gives a **** what you think in this situation.
     
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