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Heath Evans slams Daboll hire

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Muck, Jan 21, 2011.

  1. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    After being cut midseason by Nick Saban, Evans and Daboll spent the rest of the '05 and '06 seasons together in New England.

    http://www.espn760.com/blogs/dolphins.php?action=blog&post_id=2781

    Ironically, Daboll has been lauded for his work with the receivers during his time with the Pats.

    At any rate, this is an active player openly criticizing this coach. Evans, if you don't know, is a pretty straight shooter when asked a question. So it's no surprise to me that he would share this. And this is about as damning a criticism that a player can make against a coach.
     
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  2. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Really, bc:
    Is the same way I think of Heath Evans.
     
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  3. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well hell, since Heath Evans says it, any chance they polled Henne's momma as well?

    This is becoming sort of sad.
     
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  4. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    A bit OT, but why do we as fans always go to this?

    Like if a guy isn't a superstar, his opinion can't be taken seriously. What does skill level have to do with anything anyway?

    If the opinion of a 10-year NFL veteran means nothing on the matter, what does that say about ours?

    I hope he's wrong as much as the next Dolfan. But from a 10,000-foot view, whose opinion is more likely to be correct? The guy who spent 2 years with him, or some slug like me on an internet forum?
     
  5. X-Pacolypse

    X-Pacolypse Loose Cannon

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    I'm not a fan of the Daboll hire, but Heath Evans' opinion has about as much value as the US dollar.
     
  6. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    What bothers me about this Muck is not Heath Evans per se, it is this juvenile attempt to keep the disenchantment alive by the S Florida media.

    Lebetard reading a email from Chad Henne's mother? Lavicka dredging up Heath Evans who knew Daboll 5 seasons ago?

    At what point do they act like grownups?

    Wouldn't it make more sense to bang the gong on Darren Rizzi whose unit performed as poorly as Bonamego's but apparently has been lost in the shuffle and retained by Sparano?
     
  7. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Evans is a local guy. He grew up a Dolphins fan in the area ESPN 760 serves (Wellington, WPB. I actually saw him play in high school at King's) and still lives there during the offseason. They're involved in the community and that's what he was promoting as I understand it. They didn't dredge up anything. He was asked a question and, as usual, shot straight. He was on the Jim Rome show not two weeks ago and gave a fantastic interview. So it's not like it's Joe Blow who had a cup of coffee in the league 15 years ago.

    It's just like I always say (complain). Why do we get bent out of shape as if players come out and proclaim controversial things? The reporters ask them questions, and they answer them. Not the other way around. ;) We can not like what they say, but I don't subscribe to the automatic "he's an idiot" stuff.

    LeBatard has douche like tendencies. I didn't hear him read the email, but I don't like it one bit.
     
  8. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    And Evans could be wrong. I mean, could we get 'worse' than Dan Henning?

    Probably not.

    But the gains might not be all that great.

    Solidify the QB situation and he'll become an improved coach immediately. Coach them up right and he's even better.
     
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  9. keypusher

    keypusher Well-Known Member

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    I'm shocked. Not good.

    Also, I can't say your post made me want to "pump my fist." More like it made me want to hang my head and cry.

    I would rather just say thanks. But I guess fist pumps are what's on offer...
     
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  10. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    The thing is to me that it just looks like an attempt to posion the well before Daboll ever blows his whistle during a practice, he may be Henning Jr., he may not be, the slings and daggers are coming out a bit early for the man aren't they?

    With Rizzi, his unit was demonstrably terrible, he was retained, and no one says a thing? My goodness it can be said for a fact the man did a poor job and yet the guy who has not done anything one way or another is the one already being hit up?
     
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  11. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    I'm not saying he's a scrub bc he's not, but why should anyone give a **** what Heath Evans thinks of our OC?

    Evans could say he's the best OC ever and we're destined to win SBs with him and my reaction would still be :confused2:
     
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    As far as I'm concerned there's only one coach in NE worth having (as much as I hate the guy) everything else to come out of there has been (and will probably continue to be) rubbish. So far I've seen nothing to entice me to be in favour of this signing... I hope I'm wrong but I'm expecting another bumpy year.

    You kind of get the impression that Ross is sabotaging this team in favour of the team he originally intended to purchase... :lol: (no wait, that's not funny – that's sad :()
     
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  13. Dude

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    That was over 4 years ago since they been on the same team. Alot might of changed since then. Pennington seems to hold Daboll in high regards and likes the hire. Brady Quinn said the QB's were always well prepared on gamedays under him.
     
  14. DrAstroZoom

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    Did Heath Evans even work directly with Heath Evans? Is this residual discontent for Daboll not incorporating Evans into whatever gameplanning he may have done with the Patriots? Is this another attempt by an ex-player to sabotage/demoralize his former team? It's not like we've never seen that before.

    These are all questions that occur to me.
     
  15. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I hope to be proven wrong, but I think Daboll will be an unmitigated disaster. He might just have us clamoring for GASP Henning by midseason.
     
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  16. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    This is exactly what this is. Evans is just taking another pot shot at us just like he did when we fired his ***.
     
  17. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    Heath Evans can go f@ck himself.
     
  18. Ophinerated

    Ophinerated Preposterous!

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    Dear lord! Your signature scares the hell out of me! I will give that hire some time but, that just makes me shiver when I see it.
     
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  19. Stringer Bell

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    Would you take a students opinion of a teacher seriously? As a player, there could be plenty of reason why Evans may have a personal bias against any coach.

    Evans' opinion is about as impartial as Chad Pennington's.
     
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  20. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Heath Evans?

    Really?

    Are you sure it wasn't Dale Evans?
     
  21. DrAstroZoom

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    I'm glad somebody pulled that Trigger.

    Hah chachacha .... :groucho:
     
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  22. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    This just reeks of some type of personal grudge. Mangini was also with the Pats during that time and thought highly enough of Daboll that he hired him as his OC.
     
  23. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    I think the most important question one should ask himself when pondering the Evans statement is "What did YOU personally learn in the past 5 years?" The dude probably started coaching as an unpaid intern charting tendancies from film. Why stop at opinions from 5 years ago? Let's get the opinion of the guy that smoked a doobie with him in high school....
     
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  24. NFL2102

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    I'm not judging Daboll until I see how his first few games here go.
     
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  25. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    Heath Evans is a local guy and he's on the radio quite a bit...... he's not just some bonehead player
     
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  26. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    Actually that's the guy that should know him best
     
  27. padre31

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    It's not Evans per se JS, it is the notion(s):

    -Daboll remained the same guy he was 5 seasons ago
    -Lavicka dredged him up and plastered it on front street as if "thus sayeth" before Daboll has done a single thing in Miami.

    AFAIK all he has done in Miami is signed a Contract and gave a presser, why the long knives?
     
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  28. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    This hire has a lot of question marks is why...... we're depending on this guy to come in and do something different than he's done as an OC, turn over a new offensive leaf. Which is the same thing we were promised of Sparano.

    The fact is this moves smells a lot like status qou...some of the knocks on this guy made it sound like you were reading about our offense last season.

    This is supposed to be the cure all for the offense .......replace Dan Henning

    Of course they're gonna be all over this guy.....and he better kick *** or him and Tony will both be gone by mid season
     
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  29. padre31

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    Daboll IS likely to produce the same results IF the same personnel are all he has to work with, recall we at least will have one new Running Back, maybe a new Qb, better production out of the #2 Te, better Oline play as well.

    To me, it is the same fallacy that Lavicka is making to think that things and people remain static, that is simply not so.
     
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  30. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Come on man.

    They worked together 5 years ago. You can't think of anyone else that may know him better?

    Then again, maybe Belichick's an idiot for keeping a moron like Daboll on his staff for 6 years.
     
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  31. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    You can thank the Big Tuna for the media feeding frenzy that is going on..... the Freemasons could only wish they had as many mysterious secrets as the Trifecta, For 3 three years we had no idea who was responsible for what on this team. The media will be all over Sparano and the new OC this year...every step
     
  32. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    I was referring to the last part of that

    "Let's get the opinion of the guy that smoked a doobie with him in high school...."
     
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  33. padre31

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    Nonsense, the media should behave more responsibly they are paid professionals they need to act like it.
     
  34. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    yeah after seeing Daboll's press conference I got the same impression. I dont think he's the brightest bulb and his resume seems to back that up. I think we traded in an offensive coordinator who at times would out think himself to a coordinator who will never be accused of overthinking
     
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  35. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Really because he played while Daboll was in New England you don't think Evans has a right to his opinion on the matter? I'm optimistic on the hire its sad we couldn't get someone else but hey what can you do, Miami isn't great spot to be in right now.
     
  36. GMJohnson

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    You have a habit of casting yourself as intellectually superior to NFL level offensive coordinators, without ever giving any concrete reasons for anyone to take you seriously. Strange.
     
  37. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Yeah right. And my girlfriend needs to put out more often. The South Fla media hates the Gestapo like operation being run in Davie, and they are forced to put out bull****e on a regular basis to cover for the fact that no one will talk to them, especially on the record.

    BTW, while we're bashing Daboll on the strength of a CAREER BACKUP FB and ST player's opinion, keep in mind that Pennington, A QB, had nothing but positives to say. Bernie Kosar, another QB who has observed Daboll extensively, also came away impressed:

    "I know I've gotten a bit of a reputation for disliking and criticizing the way some offensive coaches have been doing their jobs lately, but I can honestly tell you Brian Daboll is not among those guys I would criticize too much," ..."Brian is a guy who knows the game as well as anyone. You can sit down with him, as I have, and talk about offensive football and strategy and come away pretty impressed with his ideas and his approach ... Brian's work with Colt McCoy was one of the reasons he played better and better as a rookie."


    So as much as I'd love to mark us down for 3-13 based on Heath Evans' opinion, common sense dictates that I wait a little while longer, like until November, before I begin to pass judgment.
     
  38. Roman529

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    If we can get better players and draft smarter it won't matter much who our OC is. I think every one of our coaches, from Sparano on down, is only as good as the players we draft and bring in. I never saw an OC drop back to throw the ball or run it. Give Daboll a chance.
     
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  39. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    not really. i was referring to his resume which on the surface doesnt look all that impressive. And I was referring to his press conference which was about as cliche ridden as you could get. There wasnt one instant in it where he sounded like he knew what he was looking to do. "We're going to take what the defense gives us?" All coordinators will talk in the coach speak but the good ones will give you an idea of what their philosophy is. My impression is he doesnt have a philosophy. He just throws **** at the wall and hope it sticks
     
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  40. adamprez2003

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    i agree. we should be much improved next year on offense if for no ther reason then the influx of new talent
     

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