So I was watching the ESPN mock draft last night and one of the critics was Bill Polian, who I think all here believe has good pedigree. His work in Buffalo and Indy were pretty impressive. He said a few things that I took to heart last night, I believe around the Denver pick, who selected Lamp and Giants or someone around us took Ramcyzk. FYI, James walker selected McDowell. Anyway, not only did Polian slam that Phins pick, he said that Guards overall should not be taken in round 1 and that the tackles in this draft (and overall offensive linemen) were not 1st round worthy. I'm not here to talk about McDowell. Couldn't care less about him. However, as Phins fans, we know we need guards. We know we need depth. However, is it appropriate to wait longer for them?
I would appreciate any stats on the last 5 seasons on high grade guards playing now and where they were drafted. On a side note, should we be concerned with the level of competition Lamp played if considered in round 1? They played Alabama, which is a pro team. Does anyone know how he did?
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Just don't take a guard in round one. The last five SB winners found their guards atop the junk pile. Some literally had guards who had been out of football. I agree with Mando, take skill positions with first round picks. http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article146797284.html
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I agree that normally guard is not a first round position. But if anybody is worth it in this draft it's lamp especially given that he can also play tackle and center.
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can you get me that proof?
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Secondly, Lamp is an excellent guard and showed very well against really good players.
Lastly, we, as a group, tend to not understand how the level of guard play effects the line as a whole. Everyone thinks guard is like every other position, where the various players can all be graded on a typical graph where the level of play can be charted at a 45-degree angle, like this:
And if you look at individual guards, it does work like that. BUT, if you look at how guard play effects the overall play of the line, the graph looks more like this:
The difference between GREAT & OK guards as it pertains to the overall line play are nominal, but the difference between OK & AWFUL is a cliff. Last year backs that up. Once we got rid of AWFUL players (Thomas, Turner) our overall line improved to the point that Thill had his best showing and Ajayi set the league on fire.
IMO, Lamp is great, but we don't need great, we just need good. We need great on defense.Pauly, Rickysabeast, Mrtree and 2 others like this. -
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He sure talks a lot of crap, that's for sure. He was lucky Manning fell in his lap, first of all. His team went 2-14 without the guy. Sure, he drafted Robert Mathis too but name another top caliber player he drafted. John Elway helped Manning win a ring a lot sooner than Bill Polian did.
He's also the same guy that claims T.O. and Randy Moss don't belong in the HOF. Also claims the Colts had a first round grade on Brady. Just a couple of days ago he said “No one that I can think of who tested positive or came up with a positive test at the combine has ever really succeeded. Just keep that in mind when you make the decision.”
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you are blasting Polian, then we had no GM close to him, maybe ever
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