Yea, give me Kyle Orton over Henne anytime....:shifty:

DOUCHE!

 

Statistically, Henne IS the worst QB Marshall has played with. The problem with Barnwell is that he's looking backwards, not forwards.

 

Henne isn't at least as good as Orton?? Wow...

 

Worst QB of his career? Isn't it a little presumptuous of him to make a claim like that? I mean Jay Cutler isn't exactly a shining star and neither is Kyle Orton.

 

Statistally, are we talking about the Orton in Denver with B. Marsh. or the Orton in Chicago with... um... hmm...

 

The problem here is that Henne hasn't played a regular season with Marshall yet.

 

His passing is flawed at best, he has trouble reading defenses and pushing the ball. He doesn't seem to know how to fool defenders. His decision-making is questionable at times. He lacks the athleticism needed and speaking of which he doesn't make proper use of the athleticism on his team because he just can't get passes high enough over defenders; has zero touch in that department. Henne is probably the single worst I have ever seen play at the Point-guard position. I suggest he sticks to football, methinks he's gonna be pretty good at that.

 

Forward thinking and forecasting would include deducing what those QBs have done without Marshall. Which is?

 

FO can devolve into SABR geekdom quickly plc, Statistically they are correct, Orton is a "better" Qb than Chad Henne...so far.

However there is no way they can accurately project how Henne will play moving into Yr 2 as the Starter with this offense, no matter how hard they may try..

 

Don't get me wrong. I'm not offering a defense. But I don't think Orton is as bad as reputed, nor do I think Cutler is as good as reputed.

 

From ESPN as well...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=11291

 

This.

Kill me now if Henne doesn't become better than Orton AND Jay Cutler.

 

Marshall is playing with the greatest QB that he, or any other reciever will EVER get to play with :up:

 

This is the funniest thread I've read in a long time. And this guy is who? And he knows about football how? I like it, let the entire league think Henne to Marshall will never work, then all of a sudden we're deep in the playoffs and the same idiots are proclaiming they saw this combo as the second coming of Montana to Rice, or Aikman to Irvin.

Let's fly under the radar, and win it all :up:

 

agree..... If the Bears would have developed Orton as they should have there would have been no reason to have to trade for Cutler.
Grossman was a waste of time. Orton is better.

 

yeah i hear ya. i was just taking your point a step further.

 

Why do you force me to have to thank your posts?

 

Maybe you should start small and work your way up to death. Like eating your own leg live on the internet, or one of your children perhaps?

Practice makes perfect. :shifty:

 

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Just for reference Denver ran the ball 440 times last year. Miami ran it 509 times. Denver lost many games down the stretch and did throw more than they'd like to/likely would if they were leading. And, Miami broke in a QB who had thrown what 17 passes before hand for the final 13 games.

The difference is 69 carries. 4.31 carries a game.

 

Ekaika's distant relatives called that "long pig"..just sayin'...

 

Ortons pretty underrated In my opinion.

 

Well since we are discussing nonsense, I was thinking of painting the sky purple...thoughts?

 

What is behind the Green Door?

Eh, cannot wait for preseason gm #3 and then the season opener my goodness it seems like forever ago Thigpen was throwing passes that counted against the steelers.

 

You bastard, you killed Kenny!

 

Whats funny is what this no brained guy writes is irrelevent when the season starts in a few weeks.

 

BARNWELL......say hello to the new you!!!!........................................................ :bag:

 

Yet Statistically he has yet to play 1 FULL SEASON. This guys a idiot. Maybe im wrong but didnt henne beat twice the best defense in the nfl last year. Plus I clearly remember that 50yd perfect bomb for TD against Revis.

 

Strange. Have a funny feeling that both players played significantly worse without Marshall than they did with him. Kinda think that sort of thing just might happen here. Just a guess, though.

In fact, I'm pretty sure Orton had a significantly worse first season starting than Henne did... Cutler was good, though. Almost as if he had Marshall even that year. ;)

 

Until henne proves it on the field, and not just in the minds of dolphin fans, he hasn't done squat yet. he had a pretty darn impressive rookie season, and is expected to get better. He has to get better. Lets not forget Henne ended the last quarter of the season with 3 TDs and 6 INTs. he was looking good at the beginning of the last game before he got hurt. He started the season off, better than he ended it.

I know we added Marshall, and we hopefully have a healthy Brown.

Orton had a damn good year last year. cutler's years were overrated but still statistically better than Hennes. Henne has to prove he is better. remember this article was about fantasy so it's all stats, nothing else. Wins losses don't matter. It's stats.

 

whats also silly to me is that guys who supposedly go in depth and study stats completely missed the fact that polite is a major cause for converting 3 and short. the guy just attributes the conversions solely to ronnie brown it would seem

 

Since you asked...a brief look at just how these three compare when they are NOT playing with Marshall:

Cutler (yr 4): QB Rtg = 76.8; Yards/Att = 6.6

Orton (yr 1): QB Rtg = 59.7; Yards/Att = 5.1
Orton (yr 4): QB Rtg = 79.6; Yards/Att = 6.4

Henne (yr 1): QB Rtg = 75.2; Yards/Att = 6.4

As you can see, when all three didn't have BM to throw to, they were relatively similar in performance, particularly the two stats I've listed here. It's worth noting that Henne's stats are comparable despite it being from his first year as starter. It's not conclusively stating that Henne is any better, but it certainly doesn't suggest he's any worse.

Now, although we have yet to see what Henne can do with BM, it's useful to look at the impact of BM on these other two and the same stats:

Cutler (yr 2/3): QB Rtg = 87; Yards/Att = 7.4

Orton (yr 5): QB Rtg = 86.8; Yards/Att = 7.0

So, what this tells us is that it appears as though the variable in question, BM, has produced a marked increase in his QB's overall play, which is a good sign for Henne and the dolphins. If his game improves similarly to the other two, Henne should be turning in a QB rating in the low to mid 80s and a 7 yard per attempt average clip. I'll take that, and I'll also take Henne over the other two. He's got Cutler's arm and guts, and just enough of Orton's (really Penny's) sense of smart play to surpass both, IMHO.

 

A mid-80's QBR would be exactly on schedule for Henne's development, imo.

We can hope for more next year, but that's a reasonable expectation of him this year (his first as a full starter, second on the field, and third in the league).

With this team, this offense, and this talent around him anything less is a very bad sign. Anything more is a VERY good sign, but not to be expected.

 

Ya'll don't go jumping off the ledge just yet. Check the waters first. That sounds like a classic Jetsons fan.

 

is there any proof that henne has a bad camp so far as mentioned in one of the espn reports, also marshall had the same questionmark written over him with orton as his 1st year QB, in the end i think he could play with anybody, because any nfl qb can throw a 5-10 yard pass and let him do his magic