Since the season began I set some goals for the Dolphins Franchise:
-Top 5 Defense
-9-7 record
-Henne tops Cus Frerotte's numbers from our last 9-7 season:
18 Td's, 13 int's, 3k passing yards 52% accuracy
Chad Henne after Wk #14
13 Td's 14 int's 2,676 yds 60.6% accuracy
3 games left, two against teams with 5 wins combined, Henne needs:
5 Td's
334 passing yds
Cannot throw another Int though I suspect he will and interestingly, Frerotte had 9 fumbles lost in 2005, Henne has 4, so that balances out the interceptions.
To low a bar for Henne perhaps?
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Thanks for not including that BS Pit INT. I can't believe they'd reward Harrison for a clean game like that.
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Occasionally it sneaks in on me, but 90% of the time I simply ignore it as it was total BS then, and it still is total BS now.
Interesting thing about Frerotte that season, iirc he made the pro bowl as an alternate, the last Dolphins Qb to do so as once again, iirc, Pennington was not selected in 2008. -
Pretty low bar Pad.
But Linehan was a much better coordinator and actually took some shots downfield. However, if Henne's best year is Gus Frerotte, I think we've seen all we need to see. -
Well, different situations though, Gus was 34 and had yrs of experience, Henne is 25 and has 2yrs experience.
I do think on offense though, this team is more talented, so this is not a cheerleading effort for Henne, just attainable goals for this situation, Gus was actually quite good that yr, of course lil nicky did not think so and we all know the rest of the story.
Which is why, to me, Dolfans have been in this situation before.MarinePhinFan likes this. -
Well, not really:
Henne through 13 games: 385 attempts
Frerotte through 15 games: 494 attempts
Safe to say 30 attempts at least for the next 3 games and the parallel is remarkable.
Suspect Frerotte's 9 fumbles lost is something Henne won't come close to passing, though Henne probably will pass him in terms of interceptions but not enough to tip the scale away from Henne.
And Gus had a functioning running game with Ronnie and Ricky.unluckyluciano and MarinePhinFan like this. -
Dude, there are people here that would tell you that the second group had MORE talent.
http://www.nfl.com/players/martybooker/profile?id=BOO033965
http://www.nfl.com/players/chrischambers/profile?id=CHA109171
http://www.nfl.com/players/weswelker/profile?id=WEL219433
http://www.nfl.com/players/randymcmichael/profile?id=MCM290007 -
Chris Chambers did have unlimited potential, and that's equivalent to infinity even.
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Those guys actually scored TDs for us. If it was just for one year I'd take the 2005 Chambers over the 2010 Marshall anyday. The other receivers are a wash basically. Maybe our new group is a little better because of Bess.
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Why is it a low bar? Henne is a 2nd year quarterback. The bar seems pretty good to me.
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LMAO!! What?!?!?
Henne is averaging 238 YPG
Ryan is at 242 YPG
Brady is at 260 YPGunluckyluciano likes this. -
Frerotte was TERRIBLE that year. Why on earth would someone with a 52% completion rate be the benchmark for anything???? I like the fact that you're trying to be objective in quantifying Henne's performance, but Gus Frerotte ain't the guy.
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Hartline injured had a better season than Booker did in 05.
Chambers had his lone all pro yr that season
McMike had 582 yds 5 Td's which Fasano has 467 4 td's
Bess easily dusts Welker's 29 for 424
The running game though, not even in the same ballpark.
As I glance at those stats, the similarities are remarkable, save for TD's, if Marshall had not missed 2.5 games he would be parallel with Chambers season that yr.
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He was the last Qb to pass for over 15 Td's not named Pennington, you have to go all the way back to 2001 to find any Dolphins Qb that broke 20 touchdowns.
Gus's 9 fumbles is an amazing number..wow..:D
As a point of perspective, comparing Henne to Frerotte makes sense to me simply because they have similar traits, though Henne is more accurate, Gus had 9 yrs experience on Henne, so it evens out.
And that was the last team with a winning record in Miami aside from 2008's 11-5.. -
So it's your fault we'll never hear the end of how we got ripped off!
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Just perspective Zod, for example I thought Henne played a smart game yesterday, his one serious flub was botching the handoff in FG range in a close game, but he did not make any dummy throws.
I somewhat recall Frerotte that yr, I was still suffering from Wanny Dolfans Displacement Syndrome and just had lost interest in my beloved Dolphins.
What will be even more fun, when the season ends, comparing 05's Defense to 2010's Defense.
Saban had vets and plugged in just a couple of rooks (Crowder mostly) Nolan has Rooks and 2nd or 3rd yr players across the defense for the most part (Crowder, Bell, Dansby, Soliai) so it will be interesting to see just how good this Defense will end up. -
One of the biggest complaints that season was the lack of shots downfield.
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Samson Satele has a career because of you, my gawd man, what have you done!!?!?
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Yes, yes I was there with you in the gameday thread.
But now you go back and watch that game again. He didn't even look at Marlen Moore. The high/low reads went to the low except for the one deep to Marshall. We still have the same issue. They will squat on the underneath and we can't bank on 10 point wins. It's been the same issues all year. I don't know what to call it. Scared maybe? I don't know. But somehow in some way this team can never strike deep. And the receivers are down there. Boy howdy are they down there. -
No way, it's been scientifically and empirically proven twice over thus far that Henning is a dinosaur and does not send receivers deep, and that what we need is a coordinator from the Coryell tree to come in here and straighten things out.
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Unnoticed in the game day thread though, 5 sacks given up, Lydon Murtha was terrible in that game, with the early lead hard to blame Henne for not taking the shots down field..in that situation.
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Kevin Gilbride maybe?
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Yeah, it looks like the positive, aggressive Chad Henne that emerged in the Titans and Raiders games, has vanished the last two games back into his "Safe Mode" function, but to be fair, the Ryan Bros' defenses in back to back games is no picnic for a young Qb.
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Did you not hear? Kevin Gilbride comes from the run and shoot. He could never possibly, ever possibly think of anything other than run and shoot. Therefore he can never have a championship offense. Oh wait......er....uh....
Hang on. The sister that I don't have is calling.......... -
I'm completely for this in the hope that he can goad Rex into punching him.
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No Padre, the Titans and Raiders brought that punishment on their own self. They played coverage that they knew he could beat like a drum. They played Dave Wannstedt "this is what we do." Henne is going to slay single high safety coverages. Anyone in the NFL not watching that should give their paycheck back to the owner.
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Well, if he can work with Eli Manning he can work with Chad Henne..who knows though?
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