I would hope he is just as good at matt Ryan because Flacco sucks. He makes horrible decisions. i hope Henne becomes the next great Miami Dolphins QB.

 

Look who's teaching him

 

In Flacco's defense, his offensive line is Horible. Another thing is, in the games i have seen (against Browns, Steelers, Colts), his receivers are not getting the separation needed. Add the two factors and it easily can be drawn up as "Flacco sucks," but when a rookie qb is faced w/ this, i dont see many having different results.

Oh, and most of Flacco's ints are when he is pressured and running towards the outside of the pocket... not like he has all day to make bad decisions in a comfy pocket.

 

I think someone does not remember that the Ravens said in preseason that Flacco would not start, than Smith got sick and Boller is well, Boller (Hurt also).

Flacco was thrown into this while not ready, much like Beck was for us.

 

You sure are judging Matt Ryan based on his first five games.

 

Actually Flacco has it worse than Beck did... Beck had a few games watching Trent Green before he got thrown in the fire.

I expect Henne will be much more polished than either Ryan or Flacco in his first start, and more likely end up being better over-all than either. Pennington may not have a deep ball, but there really isn't a much better tutor for a rookie QB out there.

 

Matt Ryan absolutely has been exceeding my expectations. Having Michael Turner doesn't hurt either btw.

 

As you have alluded to Pennington may not have a cannon arm but he can teach henne what years of experience have taught him that can't come along with a rookie QB in the NFL. Namely his game management; which is criticized and favored by about the same amount of people. I am in favor of his game management.

Henne has the arm.

 

Nor does a coaching staff that uses Ryan to his strengths.

 

I believe Henning on this one. Not just because im a michigan fan too. I've seen Henne play the last 4 years or so, his arm is strong, he makes good decisions, throws accurately, and he always had command of that michigan offense and was their leader. Now he's here, he's performed well in preseason, and in action against Arizona. now bring in pennington, the NFL's most accurate passer, and a great game manager, and a great leader. Pennington here, is perfect to Henne to learn behind. There's no doubt in my mind that ones Henne gets the chance, he's going to prove to us all that the QB search in Miami is over.

 

I really think henning should have just kept his mouth shut on this one. No need to even state something like this. Fact of the matter is, Ryan's playing in real games, Henne has not except some minutes against AZ.

What did Wannstedt say? What can Trent Green do that Jay Fielder cannot? In no way am I even advocating Henne is fiedler or anything, just sometimes it's better not to say anything.

 

Flacco is going to be a good QB. I might be biased but so what?

 

Ryan is no doubt a franchise QB in my opinion. Henne has just shown brilliance in preseason and a bit in regular season but his body of work is too small to judge. If Henne ca show franchise QB ability, we just picked up a franchise LT and QB in one draft people. That's mind blowing. I hope Henning is right.

I'm not high on Flacco though. I think he'll be pretty average as a QB. Just my thoughts after watching him a little bit.

 

Interesting. I have the complete opposite opinion. I think very highly of him but it will take some time for him to develop IMO. He's very mature though for a Quarterback and has a big arm. He makes questionable decisions but that will get better over time. What I like about him is that he can extend the play like we saw on Monday Night against Pittsburgh a few weeks ago.

 

We can only hope Henne is our guy but I really like what I've seen out of him.
He does have one hell of a teacher in Penningtion, I'm sure he'll be ready when the time comes.

 

And you also don't have nearly enough of a sample to say Matt Ryan is the real deal yet. He may have looked good so far, but he will have some bumps in the road and lets see how he reacts to those when they come, and they will.

 

It's way too early to made a determination on this.

Ryan is certainly surpassing my expectations of him thus far, but he could regress. And we simply haven't seen enough of Henne to make a determination of any kind (though I did like what he did in cleanup duty against the Cardinals)

 

Alen, remember they said the same thing about Carr & Boller. Bad decision making that would get better over time. Now Flacco could be that guy who does get better. What do you see in him that is missing with the other guys ?

 

Not sure about Boller but the difference between Carr and Flacco IMO is that Flacco doesn't hold on to the ball as long as Carr did. Flacco knows to get rid of the ball and when he does hold on to the ball, he is able to buy time with his feet to make a play downfield unlike Carr. Not to mention that Carr basically got killed behind that offensive line (was sacked 19 times in his first three games where Flacco has been sacked 6 times). My worries with Flacco is that he may not protect the ball too well. I've seen him stripped several times because he holds it in one hand. Also, Ravens HC Harbaugh named him the starter for the remainder of the season and I'm not sure if that was the right move just yet. The offensive line is battling injuries and they just lost one of their linemen. If Flacco takes enough beating, he could end up like Carr or Beck for that matter and may lose his confidence. If Troy Smith was healthy, which I believe he may be right now, he should be in there to take a beating instead of Flacco. JMO.

 

I don't think questionable decisions get better over time. Personally i believe you either have it or you don't. Mentally, if you can't make the right choice in a split second time frame you never will. I don't think it's something you can teach. I think you can teach to read a defense better but to make the right read under pressure quickly is not something a person can learn. I think Ryan and Henne ticks the boxes but Flacco doesn't.

 

I agree.

I think knowing what decisions to make does improve, though. QBs are always going to have questionable decisions from time to time. It's making the right decisions more often

 

I agree with you. To just throw Flacco in there, when Cam wouldn't do that with Beck last year is quite curious. Lesson learned ? Of course that could be Harbaugh's call to do that and Cam may not agree. We'll never know.

 

That's what I was aiming for. Sorry for the poor wording Luda.

 

well the one thing I saw in Flacco was the best raw tools of any of last years QB prospects. The one thing he lacked however was any understanding of pro style defenses coming from division 2. Its not just the schemes but the speed. I actually thought he would look worse when he started because of that. And I never dreamed they would throw him in the first game lol. I thought he would be a three year project kind of like Kevin Kolb in Philly. He's ahead of schedule from my expectations but he has a long long way to go still. This is a guy that if he arrives it probably wont be till 2010

 

Flacco was a lot more raw than Ryan or Henne. They played a higher level of competition in college than Flacco did. He might need more time to get up to speed but he's fantastically gifted and I think he's going to a be a solid starter. I was suprised that Flacco went in the 1st round and that Henne dropped to us in the 2nd. I'd have been happy with either but Henne was a good pick for us.

 

I agree..... just no reason to go here.

Son of a............

Dang you Dang for all of this qoute.
Dang you For bringing up that infamous quote and Dang you for linking Henne to Fiedler even if it's in a staement where you're proclaiming that you're not comparing them. TOO LATE! :angry:

Bad Ju Ju!

 

Flacco transfered from Pittsburgh and everyone realizes why he transfered ?

(the answer is Wannstedt)

He ran like a bat out of hell when The 'Stache was coming in.

Like has been said he has the talent, raw may it be, because he was recruited & signed by a Div 1a school.

 

Ah, memories....

I won't even mention that we could have had Drew Brees. Twice. :cry:

 

When's the last time someone with great physical tools but bad fundamentals and tangibles turned it around? A knock on Flacco is his fundementals etc.

Remember when we were on the older board, and a lot of people wanted Adrian McPherson because of his physical tools?

 

Lol. If you dig deep Coral, you'll see I didn't link Henne to Fiedler (who wasn't THAT Bad until the wheels fell off our whole team) but Henning's statement to Wannstedt's statement. Nothing more, nothing less.

Unless something happens to Henne's arm, he's no Fiedler. If Henne is fiedler with a strong arm, that might not be so bad, Fiedler was a damn gamer until that last year.

 

First of all Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco are rookie qb's and so far they are doing pretty darn good.

Second of all please do not say that Chad Henne is going to be the next great miami dolphins qb you will jinx him.