I know there's been quite a tizzy about drafting Dez, wanting to dump Ginn, the rest of the core are pedestrian, etc.
I've said it all last season and I'll say it now, defense is our biggest need, specifically the front 7.
Look at some stats from the AFC last year:
On Defense:
We gave up 24.4 points a game. That puts us at 14th out of 16 teams we were in direct competition with for a playoff spot. Our defense, in the most important defensive stat was worse than defensive juggernauts like Oakland, Jax, Browns and Texans.
We allowed 349.3 yrds a game. That put us at 11 out of 16.
We took the ball away on turnovers for a grand total of 21 times. That put us at 14 out of 16.
We sacked the QB for a grand total of 34 times. That put us at 10 out of 16.
Our defense sucks. I'm as excited as anyone else, about Dansby & Nolan, but they are not enough to right this ship. We need more playmakers on defense. I'd rather see them spend the entire draft on defensive needs and go with our offense as is.
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You can look at it this way....
the offense was always 3 and out(over loading the box to stop the run) causing the D to be on the field all the timeMonstBlitz, stoodioratt, SICK and 1 other person like this. -
A healthy mix between the two is what I would like to see happen. Although I would like to see a little more defense than offense. I posted a mock in the draft forum just a few minutes ago titled "just a thought..."
I went with two WR and two TE, but made a few trades for extra picks and the remaining picks were all defensive players. Mostly DE and OLB with a FS and ILB thrown in the mix. -
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I agree the defense sucks. However, I don't think we need to draft defense solely. I'm high on Bryant, and would be upset if we passed on him as I feel he'd be the BPA at that spot if he fell.
Also, what those stats don't show is that we had two rookie corners and a horrible safety who was cut. I have to think that Smith and Davis will be better, and that whoever we add at FS will be an upgrade over Wilson.
When I look at a team like the Saints or the Pats or Colts or Cardinals for that matter, I don't see a dominant defense. I see teams that put up points are put pressure on the oppostion to put up points. This is going to cause turnovers. You force the other team to score, they'll end up making mistakes sooner or later. The NFL is now a passing league and bend-but-don't-break defense league.PhinsRock, dolfan7171, MonstBlitz and 4 others like this. -
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Well next year we will have a whole new set of problems as we wont have any running backs.
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we need someone who strikes fear in to the d we are facing... theres no one on our O that does that... no one that has to be gameplanned for. brown is a good but not great rb so he doesnt count as someone a D would game plan for or go out of their way to stop. he simply doesnt make enough WOW plays. We need D help, yes but I say we go offense 1st and then , in this deep draft, pick up some upfront help on the d-line and lb corp. seriously, stop being a fan for one sec...who on our offense would you drop 100 bucks for a jersey on? on D we got dansby now... hes our big name there, our offense has nada, zero...unless you want to make a case for jake long and hes doesnt score so nuff said.
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I agree, I hope they don't waste a pick on a wide receiver, and I don't think they will.
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Insert Bryant or Marshall for Ted Gin and we win both of those games....and a couple others.
Several years ago we had the leagues leading rusher and a top 5 defense and missed the playoffs.....because our passing game sucked. And now, it's even more of a passing league.
When you can put up 35 points a game, any defense looks better.....ask the Super Bowl Champions or the team they beat.
You don't need a Ravens 2000 defense, just some play makers in the core positions..Springveldt and MonstBlitz like this. -
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Jest made the AFC Title game with a 9-7 record and a rookie Qb and no Wr gaining over 1k yds, B Edwards had 680...Fin D likes this. -
We need a WR NOW.....right, ****ing now.......not after we spend several mid round picks over the next few years looking for bargains and diamonds in the rough.
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Edwards is better than anyone we have.....and he was a big play guy. He torched the hell out of us. And when the Jets grab another good WR and we can't keep up, you guys are going to want even more defense. -
This is the last player such a mancrush existed for, the same sorts of things were said..
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaYgGSHJ5hM&feature=related"]YouTube- Dolphin Fans React to their First Round Pick[/ame]
They were cheering for Brady Quinn...
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The problem is that the stats being used in this thread are largely irrelevant. Poinst scored or points allowed are poorly correlated with winning. Meaning that there will be some teams that score a lot and win and some that score a lot and lose.
To win in this league you need an offense that passes efficiently (7.0 YPA or better) and a defense that can stop the pass. We were sub par on both sides of the ball. To improve that the two positions that would have the greatest impact are WR/TE for the offense and FS for the defense. At #12 we may have the option of adding Bryant of E. Thomas. If Bryant is there then we should add him b/c he would be the BPA. If he isn't ther then we should add E. Thomas.Springveldt, MonstBlitz and jetssuck like this. -
If we had last years defense, with a stud WR, we would get walked over alllll day long.
It's got to be a combination of the two. If it requires us to pick early on Bryant, or trade for someone who can scare defenses, then we need to do that. But while WR is an important priority, we'll maybe win an extra game, or two, if we played with our defense from last year. Any legitimate TE had their way with us, bad. Does no one remember all those ridiculous plays we had made on us constantly? I sure do. -
That has nothing to do with this teams current lack of play makers....
But......I'll play
Again, ppl wanting Quinn were mostly just tired of not addressing the most important position on the team. BQ was hardly man crush material......like you Padre :hi5:MrClean likes this. -
I rarely drink, never really been my thing.
As far as the defense.....after we sign JT we'll need one OLB.
I'd wait on NT other than a late round flier
My first priority on defense would be a ball hawking safety...a play maker
How much better talent wise do you think the Saints and Colts defenses are than ours?
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Because other than that I fail to see what any of this has to do with man crushes or Brady Quinn.
Unless you're just desperately trying to win this argument by saying that those of us in the WR/play maker camp are just skipping around with our heads in the clouds. Which is hardly the truth.....the Dolphins need for play makers is a widely accepted notion. -
The D needs work, alot of work, to the point that I have to put some trust into the "magic coach" Mike Nolan because even with Dansby we still a FS who can run and we still need a Nickel Lb, there are just holes everywhere. -
Substitute "Dez Bryant" for B Quinn.
My offensive "guy" is Jermaine Gresham, imho he is the best of both worlds and can be an every down player as either a Receiver or Blocker, but even then the Defense is just an open wound that must be stuanched then cauterized with an influx of talent.
In some ways I would not mind taking Ro McClain at #12 and sending Crowder to the unemployment line..sorry Channing...FinSane likes this. -
What about our young QB with 13 games under his belt, heading into his crucial sophomore season? Not getting him some help is setting him up to flame out...
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