How about a little props for Roth...

I still think that he needs to drop weight and could only get better if he were to play at about 260 lbs instead of the 275-280ish that he is now (he was 285 at the beginning of TC).

We'll see how it plays out. He'll more than likely do some nice things rushing the passer, but I can't believe he wouldn't be a liability against the pass on early downs, especially if he's going about 275.

I want him to succeed. He's going to have quite a challenge adapting to pass coverage as an OLB. He could do it, I guess, but he seems awfully stiff for that sort of assignment. If I were a DC, I'd want to exploit that.

I've been rooting for his success since we got him. Probably like a lot of people on here. I actually believe this time he will flourish the way the coaches are utilizing him. This is the frist time i actaully thought that way too.

I want him yo do well but I just dont know how he is going to do it pass coverge. But if he was not good at pass covering they would not keep him there so I really hope he does well

"Jaj wrote:

I still think that he needs to drop weight and could only get better if he were to play at about 260 lbs instead of the 275-280ish that he is now (he was 285 at the beginning of TC).

That size at LB makes me think of levon Kirkland :up:

"Jaj wrote:

I still think that he needs to drop weight and could only get better if he were to play at about 260 lbs instead of the 275-280ish that he is now (he was 285 at the beginning of TC).

Yeah, I think at OLB, he'd be more effective at the 260-265 lb area, but it must not be an issue with the coaching and training staff as there hasn't been one mention of an issue with his playing weight...

But he has played well so far and I am looking forward to seeing him develop as the year goes on...

Hmm...how about Matt Roth is our AJ Duhe.....

:lol:

I doubt Matty is 285 anymore, he has been working at OLB for a while now, it would not be a stretch to assume that the Staff has told him to drop some weight to up his movement.

I'm an official Roth naysayer. I am not easily swayed by neat tattoos.

I want him to do well, just like I want ALL Dolphins to do well. He needs to be an impact player this season or he'll be a big-time bust. That's right, I said the b-word. He was a second round pick that's done next to nothing on the field...so far.

I wish him the best, but I ain't ready to give him any props yet.

I hope he turns it around but I see him as nothing more than average.

"padre31 wrote:

Hmm...how about Matt Roth is our AJ Duhe.....

:lol:

I doubt Matty is 285 anymore, he has been working at OLB for a while now, it would not be a stretch to assume that the Staff has told him to drop some weight to up his movement.

Hey Padre, what was AJ's official position, some sort of hybrid back in the day

"djphinfan wrote:

Hey Padre, what was AJ's official position, some sort of hybrid back in the day

LB "officially", when I tried to google him I did not find out very much about his position.

His wiki is sort of barren, he had a whopping...8 sacks in 8 years...and 3 int's all in the game against the Jets....but I do recall him playing up and down, as did Kim Bokamper who started as a LB...

Duhe was alot like Vrabel is, larger guy who could move well for his size, could play inside or outside, and had a knack for making a play.

Well as far as the weight my opinion there would be he's waiting to see his final position or to see if he'll be retaining OLB fulltime before shedding some mass. If he plays DE and OLB he may want to keep a little extra. Look at Dallas though, Ware and Ellis ain't little guys... If he can pick up the pass coverage a little I think he'll end up staying at LB.

I am not really cocerned about the coverage aspect. He has been dropping back and not picked on at all so far. The position does not have to entail much more than jamming the TE and dropping into a short zone. He isnt going 30 yards downfield in man coverage vs Antonio Gates. Physically, he is on the slow end, but hardly unheard of. What did Terrell Suggs do, like a 4.90?

I'm actually convinced that if at 278 lbs he was a 4.82, he's probably a low 4.7 if he's in the low 260s. That's fast enough to play OLB.

He better succeed, he'll never get his spot back from Langford now...

The strange things is I always envisioned him being a good ILB at about 255-260 lbs (just about the weight he came to Iowa, except way stronger and in much better shape). At that spot a 4.7 is actually quite normal.

In the end however I think we're getting a bit too caught up in the time rather than how he plays out there.

"Disgustipate wrote:

I am not really cocerned about the coverage aspect. He has been dropping back and not picked on at all so far. The position does not have to entail much more than jamming the TE and dropping into a short zone. He isnt going 30 yards downfield in man coverage vs Antonio Gates. Physically, he is on the slow end, but hardly unheard of. What did Terrell Suggs do, like a 4.90?

I agree with everything else but Suggs 4.65 forty.

Roth will get props at the same time Hagan does:

When they do something in a regular season game, not impress in practice and TC only.

"slickj101 wrote:

Roth will get props at the same time Hagan does:

When they do something in a regular season game, not impress in practice and TC only.

Bingo! Show me something on Sundays. Until then, they've done NOTHING!

He's a bit stiff but Parcells is using him as effectively as you can in our system. He's looked good on a few occasions. I think alot of people were down on him unfairly last year. he played the entire year with a bad hamstring or quad (dont remember exactly) that he injured in training camp. It looks to me like he's back to his rookie self but in a new position that suits his abilities

"alen1 wrote:

I agree with everything else but Suggs 4.65 forty.

I was under the impression he didn't run at the combine, but I've seen pretty repeatedly he ran a bad time somewhere at least...

http://www.kffl.com/article/1065/123

KFFL wrote:

SUGGS WORKOUT HURTS DRAFT STOCK
Strength was also not on Suggs' side, as he managed just 19 reps during bench press drills. In the 40-yard dash, his times were a very pedestrian 4.84 and 4.88. He had a 33.5" vertical jump, 9-foot-0 broad jump, 32 7/8" arm length, 7.46 three-cone drill and 4.37 and 4.47 short shuttle. Whether he's just a poor workout player or what not, teams are definitely going to be forced to think twice come draft day and this workout probably pushed him out of the top five selections.

For comparison's sake, this is what I dug up on Roth:

4.85 40, 26 bench reps, 32.0" vertical, 9'4" broad jump, 7.65 three-cone, 4.36 short shuttle.

Pretty well identical, except for the three-cone. However, the other agility drill, the short shuttle, Roth had an insignificantly better time.

"Disgustipate wrote:

I was under the impression he didn't run at the combine, but I've seen pretty repeatedly he ran a bad time somewhere at least...

http://www.kffl.com/article/1065/123

For comparison's sake, this is what I dug up on Roth:

4.85 40, 26 bench reps, 32.0" vertical, 9'4" broad jump, 7.65 three-cone, 4.36 short shuttle.

Pretty well identical, except for the three-cone. However, the other agility drill, the short shuttle, Roth had an insignificantly better time.

I read on NFLdraftscout.com that he ran a 4.65. One of them is wrong lol.

"djphinfan wrote:

Hey Padre, what was AJ's official position, some sort of hybrid back in the day

1977 - RDE in the 3-4
1978 - same
1979 - same
1980 - RILB in the 3-4
1981 - LILB in the 3-4
1982 - same
1983 - same
1984 - same

When he was a ILB, he would often move around from down to down, usually on down and distance that said pass, and could line up in several possible places. One of the Redskins' plans in the Super Bowl was to use formations and personnel packages that would more or less force Duhe to remain more than usual at ILB. They didn't want him roaming around and attacking from multiple positions and were able to fairly well neutralize him in that regard. If they ever show the replay of that Super Bowl again, either Gibbs or Bugel, as I recall, talks about what exactly they did to game plan against Duhe.
I don't recall for sure since it was long ago, but it seems like he wasn't even in the game on Riggins historical TD run that broke our backs.

BTW, Roth doesn't come close to displaying the ability to drop in coverage, or the lateral agility that Duhe had, although if he slims down to 260 and works at it, he may improve.