How can Miami Dolphins fix the passing game?

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ATVZ400ATVZ400New MemberOP
Nov 12, 2009, 09:19 AM

How can Miami Dolphins fix the passing game?
http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2009/11/how-can-dolphins-fix-the-passing-game.html

Admitting you have a problem is the first start. That's why it puzzles me why straight-talking Tony Sparano hasn't done so.

What's Sparano looking for from his receivers?

“Let’s see. Separation, quickness, I think is a pretty important attribute. Hands critical factor. Speed is a critical factor," he said. "Those are the critical factors: hands, speed, elusiveness, those types of things.”

But wait. What good is speed if they can't catch the ball?

Dolphins passing game suffocating the offense
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-dolphins-passing-game1112-20091111,0,7874500.story?track=rss

adamprez2003adamprez2003forum_veteran
Nov 12, 2009, 10:44 AM

thats the difference between a pro and an amateur. A pro will tell you that its seperation that a receiver needs. An amateur will tell you its hands. Why? Because everyone can catch up to a point in the NFL but very few can get open consistently.



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RunRickyRunRunRickyRunNew Member
Nov 12, 2009, 10:56 AM

I wonder if the management team has thought about splitting Ronnie or Ricky in the slot to try to improve the reciving corps as a whole.

Outside from wildcat plays ofcourse.

Ted Ginn makes Bryant Gumbel look like Malcom X.

SICKSICKforum_veteran
Nov 12, 2009, 11:01 AM

wtf is the stuff about catching the writer brings up at the end? didnt sparano say "hands" was one of the things needed?

djphinfandjphinfansubscriber
Nov 12, 2009, 12:44 PM

How can Miami fix the passing game?

By making a conscious decision to make Greg C the #1 option..

From what i saw, that decision has been made and imo, was an excellent one..

He will now be targeted early and often, which will get the offense back into its rhythm, which will allow Ginn and bess to find their proper roles.....

Greg C is about to lift this offense, and the offense is about to find a rhythm that we have not seen this year...and when it does, he will of deserved some apologies for unjust criticism of his talents..

He's better then most think...before his injury last year, i was seeing some biletnikoff in him...i know his knee wont be 100 percent til next year... but watch what happens on sunday...

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SICKSICKforum_veteran
Nov 12, 2009, 12:46 PM

ginn needs to be on the field to open the passing game....with no deep threat everyone sits on the short routes....imo ginn needs to atleast be on the field to open the run game and short routes up again jmo

OnehondoOnehondosubscriber
Nov 12, 2009, 12:54 PM

The main thing needed is the ability to make catches of anything thrown in their area. We need receivers who can make the clutch catches when needed. Our receivers inability to catch the ball when needed is making it tough for a young offense to find its identity and for Henne to develope into the quarterback he can be. Henne needs a go to receiver that he can count on and he hasn't found one yet. It would help some if we had a TE Henne could go to in a clutch situation and he doesnt even have that. But this is JMO.

Rick 1966Rick 1966forum_veteran
Nov 12, 2009, 01:25 PM

The main thing we can do to fix the passing game is spend our first round pick on a legitimate number one receiver.

BigDogsHuntBigDogsHuntNew Member
Nov 12, 2009, 01:28 PM

We had similar discussions about our CB play....it can all be solved in one offseason!

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adamprez2003adamprez2003forum_veteran
Nov 12, 2009, 01:39 PM

sparano's take i think is that the biggest problem is the receivers arent getting open and the offensive line isnt blocking well enough. at least thats my take on what he's saying



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like2godlike2godluxury_box
Nov 12, 2009, 01:42 PM

"SICK wrote:

wtf is the stuff about catching the writer brings up at the end? didnt sparano say "hands" was one of the things needed?

Have you ever known Omar to pass up an opportunity to rag on a player? It's just his attempt to ignore what Sparano said to once again beat up on Ginn. while ignoring the drops of Bess and Fasano. Targeting players is a sport to him, he's like the National Enquirer of Miami Dolphins reporting, flashy headlines that get everyone riled up, but very little in the way of content.


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jetssuckjetssuckNew Member
Nov 12, 2009, 02:10 PM

"SICK wrote:

ginn needs to be on the field to open the passing game....with no deep threat everyone sits on the short routes....imo ginn needs to atleast be on the field to open the run game and short routes up again jmo

Maybe for a dozen fly patterns a game. Other than that he's pretty much useless as a WR and Henne would be better served by having Camarillo out there.

Defenses have long been stacking the box on us, with or with out Ted Ginn and his crossed arm catching technique.

JS

jetssuckjetssuckNew Member
Nov 12, 2009, 02:17 PM

"like2god wrote:

Have you ever known Omar to pass up an opportunity to rag on a player? It's just his attempt to ignore what Sparano said to once again beat up on Ginn. while ignoring the drops of Bess and Fasano. Targeting players is a sport to him, he's like the National Enquirer of Miami Dolphins reporting, flashy headlines that get everyone riled up, but very little in the way of content.

Omar is just one of many reporters in so Florida to bag on Ginn...... hell even some old lady in the Food section of the PB Post the other day was saying how oven temperature was the key to making your biscuits come out Ted Ginn soft.

JS

Nov 12, 2009, 02:17 PM

"RunRickyRun wrote:

I wonder if the management team has thought about splitting Ronnie or Ricky in the slot to try to improve the reciving corps as a whole.

Outside from wildcat plays ofcourse.

Ronnie and Ricky are good pass catchers, why we dont throw the ball their way more is anyone's guess.

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like2godlike2godluxury_box
Nov 12, 2009, 02:32 PM

"jetssuck wrote:

Maybe for a dozen fly patterns a game. Other than that he's pretty much useless as a WR and Henne would be better served by having Camarillo out there.

Defenses have long been stacking the box on us, with or with out Ted Ginn and his crossed arm catching technique.

When we had quarterbacks who couldn't stretch the field, that's an important fact to overlook.

"jetssuck wrote:

Omar is just one of many reporters in so Florida to bag on Ginn...... hell even some old lady in the Food section of the PB Post the other day was saying how oven temperature was the key to making your biscuits come out Ted Ginn soft.

Omar takes it to a whole different level, you haven't forgotten how he targeted Beck and skewed his reporting to fit his narrative, have you? You could read the PBP or other media and see that Beck had a pretty good day, only to read in Omar's "column" how Beck sucked, missed receivers and was going to be dropped for McCown. He guaranteed it and took great pleasure in skewering Beck at every opportunity, even when the kid did well.

To this day I'm convinced that Omar is a FH troll, nothing that I've seen so far convinces me otherwise.


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The G ManThe G Manforum_veteran
Nov 12, 2009, 02:55 PM

"jetssuck wrote:

omar is just one of many reporters in so florida to bag on ginn...... hell even some old lady in the food section of the pb post the other day was saying how oven temperature was the key to making your biscuits come out ted ginn soft.

lmao...

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MIm inoNew Member
Nov 12, 2009, 03:01 PM

"Frumundah Finnatic wrote:

Ronnie and Ricky are good pass catchers, why we dont throw the ball their way more is anyone's guess.

i have been saying this for years scratching my head in wonderment why they arent targetted in the passing game and i have come up with the conclusion that they are also our best blockers while in passing situations.

a cure all to our recieving problems is picking up a #1 reciever wether it be through draft or free agency we will not get better with 2's n 3's being selected in the later rounds of the draft and the bottom of the fa pile. or as you stated...throwing to our best recievers bieng r&r.

ALalen1New Member
Nov 12, 2009, 03:02 PM

I think once they find a way to have Fasano working the seams, everything else will open up.

jetssuckjetssuckNew Member
Nov 12, 2009, 03:03 PM

"like2god wrote:

When we had quarterbacks who couldn't stretch the field, that's an important fact to overlook.

Ginn was actually more effective with the weak armed Pennington at QB......those frozen ropes from Henne have done nothing but exposed him for the one trick pony he is.

Omar takes it to a whole different level, you haven't forgotten how he targeted Beck and skewed his reporting to fit his narrative, have you? You could read the PBP or other media and see that Beck had a pretty good day, only to read in Omar's "column" how Beck sucked, missed receivers and was going to be dropped for McCown. He guaranteed it and took great pleasure in skewering Beck at every opportunity, even when the kid did well.

To this day I'm convinced that Omar is a FH troll, nothing that I've seen so far convinces me otherwise.

Well Beck did actually suck so in hindsight I don't see the problem....I prefer today's approach much more than back when the reporters were afraid to say Jay Fiedler needed to be replaced and that Wanny was taking this team into the abyss.

Another thing is that those guys are forced to play to their audience......look at the comments below almost any article or blog. Most of them are about Ginn. Not defending Omar, he's a very mediocre talent......but he's just giving the readers what they want.

All those blog guys are nothing more than glorified posters with their own forum. Fan forums on the internet forced them to get "interactive", or get left n the dust.

JS

like2godlike2godluxury_box
Nov 12, 2009, 04:04 PM

"jetssuck wrote:

Ginn was actually more effective with the weak armed Pennington at QB......those frozen ropes from Henne have done nothing but exposed him for the one trick pony he is.

Which may lead one to conclude that there is going to be an adjustment period. After spending months and years running plays and getting timing down with a weak armed QB, it's not surprising that Ginn and our other WR's may struggle at first.

Well Beck did actually suck so in hindsight I don't see the problem

You're missing the point, willfully or otherwise.

When Beck was doing well in practice, Omar skewed his reporting to give the appearance that Beck didn't do well. He has no journalistic integrity whatsoever and Im not afraid to point it out at every opportunity.

....I prefer today's approach much more than back when the reporters were afraid to say Jay Fiedler needed to be replaced and that Wanny was taking this team into the abyss.

Another thing is that those guys are forced to play to their audience......look at the comments below almost any article or blog. Most of them are about Ginn. Not defending Omar, he's a very mediocre talent......but he's just giving the readers what they want.

No they aren't, they are paid to report the truth, not to spin their own agenda. The people making comments at the bottom of his blog aren't of any consequence to the paper, they most likely aren't paying for the print addition and that's where the paper makes their money. If they are pandering to that crowd, they deserve to lose readers/subscribers.

All those blog guys are nothing more than glorified posters with their own forum. Fan forums on the internet forced them to get "interactive", or get left n the dust.

Unfortunately that's true in alot of cases, but that doesn't mean that you toss your credibility and integrity out the window.


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the 23rdthe 23rdNew Member
Nov 12, 2009, 05:52 PM

two elements in the equation
the receivers are half the problem
in time it will work itself out

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padre31padre31luxury_box
Nov 12, 2009, 06:19 PM

What a load of B$:

"gee, that passing game is not like the colts or patriots, they have to get up to speed!!!!!!!!!!"

Qb: 5 career starts

Wr UDFA 3 yrs nfl experience
Wr UDFA 1.5 yrs Nfl experience
Wr 4th round pick Rookie
Wr #9 overall Disappointment

Te UDFA
Te 3rd round pick

Think about it folks, Henne is in his 5th start for pete's sakes, do they expect Manning in yr 5 or Brady in yr 3? The plain fact is, our passing offense is crude because the players who operate it all have less than 5 yrs NFL experience to begin with, Fasano is the "grizzled vet" and only by a year over Ted Ginn.

Those bloggers lack perspective, unsurprising, their job is to generate controversy, Sparano and Henning are trying to develop players.

PHPhinfan0802New Member
Nov 12, 2009, 06:33 PM

So why didnt we go after chambers and what about patrick turner? Speed, can catch, and size is what both these guys have ........could have also tried for boldin!!

padre31padre31luxury_box
Nov 12, 2009, 06:36 PM

"Phinfan0802 wrote:

So why didnt we go after chambers and what about patrick turner? Speed, can catch, and size is what both these guys have ........could have also tried for boldin!!

Because Chambers was waived and the Chiefs had the right to claim him first, we never had a chance to claim him.

As for Turner, he is just another rookie./

jetssuckjetssuckNew Member
Nov 12, 2009, 07:10 PM

"like2god wrote:

Which may lead one to conclude that there is going to be an adjustment period. After spending months and years running plays and getting timing down with a weak armed QB, it's not surprising that Ginn and our other WR's may struggle at first.

So after this adjustment period, Ginn will be back to kicking ass as a WR again like he did with weak armed QB's? I mean it's not like he's ever been that good regardless of who throws to him. There are just far too many routes that are just a waste of time to send him on. He's just too limited of a receiver to be targeted very often. I don't see where you can expect a big improvement from him based on more familiarity. It's his own game that is lacking, he's the problem.

Returning kicks and running fly patterns where he can catch the ball over the top is pretty much all he has in his tool box. I can see taking shots down field with him but other than that he just doesn't warrant many attempts his way.

You're missing the point, willfully or otherwise.

When Beck was doing well in practice, Omar skewed his reporting to give the appearance that Beck didn't do well. He has no journalistic integrity whatsoever and Im not afraid to point it out at every opportunity.

I see your point, I just think it's an over reaction. For the simple reason that Beck couldn't even hold off Henne as a rookie in camp. Most of the reports out of camp weren't about how great Beck looked. In fact most were giving us the impression that we were screwed with him or McCown. The only QB that I remember getting much praise is Henne.

No they aren't, they are paid to report the truth, not to spin their own agenda. The people making comments at the bottom of his blog aren't of any consequence to the paper, they most likely aren't paying for the print addition and that's where the paper makes their money. If they are pandering to that crowd, they deserve to lose readers/subscribers.

Unfortunately that's true in alot of cases, but that doesn't mean that you toss your credibility and integrity out the window.

They're paid to get your attention and keep it, rules be damned ...............and the internet is a lot more important to them than what you described. These guys have been scrambling to catch up, putting a lot of extra time in trying to take advantage of this new platform. Mando throws his online numbers into every other blog. Hell the writers from rival papers use it to take shots at each other. They have to be loving this....people all over the world are reading them, not just the locals in their market.

I get the Post delivered and can buy the Herald or Sentinel out of a box, two minutes away. But now that these newspapers are online, I have a lot less use for the paper itself. And I've been a very avid newspaper reader for many years......

JS

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