How does a 340 pound man (J. Martin) get bullied?

"Deerless Dice wrote:

Anyone else find it humorous that Martin's weight keeps going up? First it was 310, then 320, and now its 340. The poor guy will over 400 by the end of the week

He weighs more than John Jerry, didn't you know lol

"Deerless Dice wrote:

Anyone else find it humorous that Martin's weight keeps going up? First it was 310, then 320, and now its 340. The poor guy will over 400 by the end of the week

That will be comfort eating then. Last thing Martin needs is an eating disorder. ;)

"schmolioot wrote:

I am one, and proud of it.Let's hope you never need one. If you do I imagine your tune will change

His tune might change. But that 33 1/3 bull**** won't ever change.

"rafael wrote:

Agreed. People kept bringing up office examples which I felt were really off the mark. Reality is that the job requires a certain personality. That doesn't mean you can't be an intellectual or an introvert, but it does mean that you have to be able to respond to physical or verbal threats. And that response has to be a a little more direct than running to the coach or your parents.

Running to his coach would have been a step up from what happened. He didn't even do that. I would accept that, especially in light of Incognito's texts and voicemails which really were inappropriate. He refused to seek aid from the team about it, right to the very end when his representation took control of the situation and presented the evidence and allegations to the Dolphins after a week of Martin talking to the coach and not saying a word, even talking to the players and explicitly telling them he doesn't put any of it on them.

"ckparrothead wrote:

Running to his coach would have been a step up from what happened. He didn't even do that. I would accept that, especially in light of Incognito's texts and voicemails which really were inappropriate. He refused to seek aid from the team about it, right to the very end when his representation took control of the situation and presented the evidence and allegations to the Dolphins after a week of Martin talking to the coach and not saying a word, even talking to the players and explicitly telling them he doesn't put any of it on them.

I was thinking of when he spoke to Philbin in April, but you're right since he apparently didn't really tell Philbin much. My impression is that the conversation may have been primarily about him thinking about quitting. Even that seems to have been more about his own desires rather than a complaint about being bullied.

Someone show me where emotionally abusing someone will make them tougher than I will emphasize with Incognito.

What are they victims from birth of though? I must have missed something....

Ck...I guess Hyde mentioned something about all this seeming like Kindergarden if all the details become public. This according to a source...any ideas on what hes referring to?

In your opinion...have we seen the tip of the ice berg yet?

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"ckparrothead wrote:

Running to his coach would have been a step up from what happened. He didn't even do that. I would accept that, especially in light of Incognito's texts and voicemails which really were inappropriate. He refused to seek aid from the team about it, right to the very end when his representation took control of the situation and presented the evidence and allegations to the Dolphins after a week of Martin talking to the coach and not saying a word, even talking to the players and explicitly telling them he doesn't put any of it on them.

Do you find it feasible that he was scared to rat Richie and the players out (both from retaliation from the players and/or how it would effect his career)? And only did after persistent suggestion from his parents and/or "representation" that it was something he needed to do?

Shot in the dark, maybe he overthought the coaches reactions. Turner or Sherman don't seem the understanding type. Philbin is a little harder to gauge.

"rafael wrote:

I was thinking of when he spoke to Philbin in April, but you're right since he apparently didn't really tell Philbin much. My impression is that the conversation may have been primarily about him thinking about quitting. Even that seems to have been more about his own desires rather than a complaint about being bullied.

Philbin flatly denied that Martin came to him in the spring, I believe.

And Adam Schefter is now saying that what happened in the spring was merely that Jonathan Martin was a no-show for two days of one of the OTAs, and that the team understood it was because he was going through something mentally/emotionally, but that they did not know what. This happened right around when Incognito sent that voicemail.

"vt_dolfan wrote:

Ck...I guess Hyde mentioned something about all this seeming like Kindergarden if all the details become public. This according to a source...any ideas on what hes referring to?

In your opinion...have we seen the tip of the ice berg yet?

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I believe it will get uglier, yes. I think the next shoe to drop will be what, if anything, Jim Turner knew about any efforts that Incognito and Pouncey made to specifically try and "toughen up" Martin. I don't have the link anymore but I remember an exact quote from Incognito proudly proclaiming that Pouncey and he made a concerted effort this year to toughen him up. If Jim Turner was complicit in that effort (even if he didn't know how far Richie would take it) then that would set off a pretty big bomb.

Also if it's discovered that Jonathan Martin has a history of mental health issues and that the Dolphins knew about that, another bomb.

And then there are the drug allegations...

"BlameItOnTheHenne wrote:

340 ponds isn't that big!

Hey, you leave FinD's lady out of this!

"FinNasty wrote:

Do you find it feasible that he was scared to rat Richie and the players out (both from retaliation from the players and/or how it would effect his career)? And only did after persistent suggestion from his parents and/or "representation" that it was something he needed to do?

Feasible in a mature, psychologically healthy adult? No. What I find feasible for a mature, psychologically healthy adult would be to:

A) Confront the person who was treating you in a manner you don't want to be treated, in an effort to find an easy solution to the problem,
B) If that fails, seek involvement from other veterans on the roster, the "leadership council" which exists explicitly for this purpose,
C) If that fails, seek intervention from coaches, explaining to them the situation and asking that they be delicate in their handling if possible,
D) If that fails, seek intervention by your players union, who are duty-bound to investigate and do their best to provide a safe work environment,
E) As a final resort, seek the aid of the NFL front office who would almost surely investigate any claims of an unsafe work environment.

As an adult faced with this situation, failing to take these steps is some combination of emotional immaturity, mental illness, and/or laziness. Or perhaps lack of awareness of the tools at your disposal for handling these situations, which is kind of an extension of the laziness angle.

We need to stop treating 24 year old adults as if they are children. It is an insult to the children who face these dilemmas and really ARE ill equipped to handle them.

"Kingleo702 wrote:

Someone show me where emotionally abusing someone will make them tougher than I will emphasize with Incognito.

I assume you meant to say empathize.

While I don't condone RI's tactics or even agree that such tactics are effective, I don't think it's necessarily as mean-spirited or ill-intented as is being portrayed. My guess is that at least part of RI's intent was to toughen up Martin. It was probably how his dad or previous team mates tried to toughen him up. I don't think it's an effective method, but there's no doubt that it's the way that many were taught. So while I may don't agree with what he did, I can emphasize with his probable intent.

"ckparrothead wrote:

Thankfully Jonathan Martin never suffered from a prison riot under the Dolphins watch.

No, but he's been beat like he was in one.

http://youtu.be/BE-anEFR7SQ

(Oh god I'm going to hell)

"ckparrothead wrote:

Philbin flatly denied that Martin came to him in the spring, I believe.

And Adam Schefter is now saying that what happened in the spring was merely that Jonathan Martin was a no-show for two days of one of the OTAs, and that the team understood it was because he was going through something mentally/emotionally, but that they did not know what. This happened right around when Incognito sent that voicemail.

Thanks, I had missed that.