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How has free agency impacted your draft wishlist?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Vinny Fins, Mar 17, 2020.

  1. Vinny Fins

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    ST, CB, RB, G, Edge and LB have all been addressed. still need the QB of future, another RB, S, and more OL help.

    Has your dream mock significantly changed?

    any new names enter your mind now that other holes have been plugged?

    share with the class, everyone is sitting on their *** at home for a bit ;)
     
  2. Vertical Limit

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    Still want the best pass rusher available at #5.
     
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  3. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Still the same. Would love to take best player available and trade down with 26 with hoping picking up another first next season.

    Edit: 5 being Tua, because duh
     
  4. Wilkimania

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    That would be roughly the order I'd be aiming for, however if players dropped then I'd be willing to overlook position for talent. For example, I just had a mock where the Dolphins left the first round with Tua, Simmons and Chaisson. Realistic? No but shows what I mean in terms of talent v need.
     
  5. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    5 remains QB. Preferably Tua, but I'd take either Herbert or Love if necessary.

    18 I would target a tackle, especially if one of the big 4 drops, but if not, Josh Jones. I would also be interested in Javon Kinlaw if he fell.

    26 I would be looking hard at the best remaining interior OL. Ruiz, Hennesey and Cushenberry are all possibles.

    Round 2 I'd be looking at safeties (Winfield/Davic), running backs (Swift/Dobbins) and maybe pass rush (Baun/Uche).
     
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  6. KeyFin

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    My draft board has changed slightly- but I wasn't taking a QB at 5 either. With Tua not being able to work out for teams, I have a feeling he would drop out of the top 10 completely.

    At 5, I'm taking an OT or trading back

    At 18, a DE or Tua

    At 26, I'm looking at RBs

    However, I can honestly see a scenario where the draft doesn't even happen until late May or June...which changes these boards completely.
     
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  7. Phin McCool

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    I'm sure it was on NFL Network that it would be happening behind closed doors? Don't quote that as gospel though, I wasn't paying full attention so they might have been on about something else draft based.
     
  8. texanphinatic

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    Yeah sounds like something of a digital production is in the works. Honestly by then, we may need entertainment to get out of a rut and take our mind off things.
     
  9. rafael

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    The NFL already announced that draft would remain on the same date and televised, but would not be a public event.
     
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  10. rafael

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    Short of the medicals on Tua yielding a negative surprise, I don't see any way they don't take a QB at 5 or anyway they pass on Tua if he's there.

    At 18 OT seems most likely given how FA has gone so far.

    26 and round 2 could be any of OL, S or RB or as a wildcard even WR if the rumors of Wilson being cut are true or if they feel the talent is just too good to pass up.
     
  11. texanphinatic

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    I'd see WR as more likely at 18, namely if one of Lamb, Jeudy or Ruggs reaches that slot. It's SUCH a deep WR class, I don't see the appeal in 26, not unless we have really beefed up the lines.
     
  12. Unlucky 13

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    Free agency hasn't changed much for me. The only thing that its really done is take the offensive line which was already my number one priority, and shout out loud how big a deal it is and how we need to prioritize it now. Beyond that, I thought that we might go corner with one of the second rounders depending on value, but that's hard to see now.

    As before, I want to trade out of #5. Maybe with Jacksonville, or Vegas, or maybe now San Francisco. Unless Chase Young is there, then move down and pick up another premium pick. And then, doing that, with the five picks we'd have by #39, we could get two starters on the offensive line, and three other impact players. Pass rush, safety, and a long term answer at RB are all still big needs.
     
  13. Etrius24

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    Tua at 5
    Ruggs at 18 ( Hoping he lasts ) or Move up to the 12 spot and grab Kinlaw
    Mckinney or Delpit at 26

    This would blow my freaking mind with awesomeness.
     
  14. KeyFin

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    That's what everyone has said about everything- just hoping it holds up. That's a lot of organization to figure out in a month to make it happen.
     
  15. mlb1399

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    #5- Wirfs -> Okudah -> Herbert -> Tua in that order. If Young fell to us, which won’t happen, he jumps to #1

    Okudah would be a dilemma because that’s our strongest position but I think he could the best CB in the NFL.
     
  16. thetylernator

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    Like others have said, QB -> OT -> BPA.

    Specifically, I'm hoping for Tua at #5, a trade-up with San Francisco from #18 to #13 to get ahead of Tampa and Denver for the best tackle available (Becton, ideally), then take the best player on the board at #26. Epenesa's stock has seen a dip, Diggs is an option, Delpit, Muti, Cushenberry, etc.

    I'm looking at Jonathan Taylor or J.K. Dobbins with #39 and Ashtyn Davis at #56. #70 would ship to SF.

    Beyond that, I'd like to see us target depth at the slot (offensively and defensively), nose tackle, and find a true in-line blocking TE to pair with Gesicki.
     
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  17. rafael

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    If the top 4 OTs are gone before 18, which is a strong possibility, and Ruggs was there, he'd be tempting. I have Lamb and Jeudy as the best two WRs in the class, but Ruggs could end up as good as them in the pros. I like our current WRs if everybody comes back healthy, but we don't know what will happen with Wilson and I hate to pass up great talent when the opportunity is there.
     
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  18. Etrius24

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    I would love to trade up to the 13 spot... But if we do.. I hope that Kinlaw is there... The guy is a monster inside and would be maybe the most important piece to our defense.

    I want more O line help.. I think they draft a tackle and a center in the second round... With the 26 pick I think we need to go after the best safety left... McKinney or Delpit.

    Kinlaw and Delpit make this the best defensive team in terms of talent since the 70's ( Potentially )

    If we do snag Dillon later in the draft... and Tua is the 5th pick we can lean on the running game and on the defense to win football games as Tua learns.

    our defense and special teams is going to win us football games moving forward. I think everyone here but that one poster Loves Tua... The guy that said he never made more than one read or hit a receiver that was not already three feet open... ( Name???)

    If they move up to 13 and Jones is there and they grab him... Yeah I will be happy because that is a major addition for the O line. If they move up to 13 and take Ruggs I will be just as happy because he is a Tyreek Hill type of player that changes the field... Combined with Parker and Williams we would have a top 10 wide receiver trio to put out there in front of Tua.

    Any of these three scenarios are fantastic.
     
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  19. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Not particularly, I still think we need many of the things we did before in the early rounds that were a priority to me, but at the same time I do think it gives us more flexibility in the later rounds.
     
  20. KeyFin

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    I don't love Tua because he's been injured every single year dating back to middle school- he has NEVER played a full season in his life at any level. I do think he's talented and I won't be opposed to drafting him if he falls to us, but I definitely don't want to move beyond #5 to get him...that's a huge mistake in my opinion. If someone jumps us to #2 or #3 to grab him then that's on them....but I really don't want that team to be the Dolphins. If I had to guess today, I'd say Tua goes around #8-12 overall.

    Again, that doesn't mean that some people here don't like Tua...it's that they don't like his history with injuries vs. the cost it would take to sign him.
     
  21. Etrius24

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    I love Tua... and I agree we should not move up to get him.... But if we do get him with the 5th pick I will be trying to do cartwheels.
     
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  22. AGuyNamedAlex

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    I'm going to be okay with any of Herbert, Tua or Burrow. Of course Burrow would be a blockbuster trade though and would depend what we gave up.

    I think in the Rivers thread my reply to you was maybe a bit rude so I apologize for that if you took offense to it.
     
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  23. Hooligan

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    I didn't know that Tua has never played a full season because of injuries. That's pretty damning. Do we really need a very talented part time QB?
    I was also surprised to learn that Pat White still holds the NCAA record for rushing yards by a QB. That's an indication of how durable he was,, at the college level.
     
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  24. DOLFANMIKE

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    Just a thought, not even a hunch really.... but will the corona virus limits on meetings and workouts impact the Tua Train hype and reduce his Toot Toot? Will Tua slide?
     
  25. KeyFin

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    What's being "leaked" is that Cinci wants a 1st + Xavien Howard + another pick for #1 overall. And honestly, I'm not sure how I feel about that since Howard may be facing a suspension for the domestic violence stuff- would it be smart to move on now? If so, then that's basically a steal for Burrow.

    No worries about the other thread...I rarely take offense to anything here. We all have our own opinions and that's cool by me. I do like Tua a decent bit, but I'm not convinced that he's worth #5 overall AND that someone else would take him in the top 10. I could be way off-base and I fully realize that....but it's my personal opinion anyway.
     
  26. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    The only way Howard gets suspended is if it is bad PR for the league. Since the only place I am seeing this as a possibility is on this board, I think it is safe the say that he will most likely not be suspended.
     
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  27. Etrius24

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    All good man.... We just had an amazing week as an organisation. They have really shown they have a plan and they are building this team with hard hitting high character players... I have not been this excited to be a Dolphins fan since Jason Taylor was in MVP form
     
  28. Etrius24

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    If The Dolphins landed Burrow for Howard... Our 18th pick and a second round pick next year... I would do it in a heartbeat.

    If they wanted a couple low level picks on top of this to sweeten the deal.... I would do that also... Like a 5th this year and a 5th next year... On top of the 18th pick and our second round pick next year.

    I just do not see any logical argument for the Bengals to trade down though.... THEY NEED A QB

    Unless they really liked say Love and felt that he would be there for them at the 18 spot... They trade down... Get Howard and three or four extra draft picks....

    If they would do that.... We need to make it happen.

    If the trade was the Dolphins giving up the 5th pick, Howard, a second next year... and low level throw ins Yeah I am still down with it.

    I like Tua... But if we are trading up.... I would much rather it be for Burrow.

    Trading Howard frees up a ton of cap space... If we end up cutting Wilson and trade Howard we can make a couple more decent signings...
     
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  29. Vertical Limit

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  30. rafael

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    That's interesting. I don't want to trade Howard and I don't believe there's much chance of a suspension, but if that #1 is anything but the 5th overall, that would be tempting (also would depend on what the 'other pick' is). It would be tough to complain about getting your QB + Simmons or whichever guy is your top T in the draft. Or use that 5th to trade down a bit and end up with one of the top 4 Ts (if you have them fairly even) and maybe one of the next tier CBs to replace Howard.
     
  31. KeyFin

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    Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well- if we could end up at #1 and #5, that's an ultra-dynamic draft. I don't want to trade Howard either but it's hard not to at least think about.
     
  32. texanphinatic

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    I don't know how Cinci can trade the first overall and NOT end up with #5. If that happens Greir should be executive of the millennium and the Bengals should be sent to the XFL.

    18, next year's #1 (whichever is lowest) and Howard for the first overall? That's an insane deal imo.

    Also just for fun I did a recent mock that had me picking Tua, Wills and McKinney, which I found amusing.

    More interesting is that I am seeing the big tackles reaching 18 in a fair number of mocks, which is good for us considering our lack of FA urgency in that regard. Nabbing Wills or Thomas in the first and someone like Niang in round 2 or Peart in (plus a g/c like Ruiz, Cush, Biadesz or Hennessy) would be ideal.
     
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  33. Unlucky 13

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    I was thinking the same thing.

    Based on the draft pick value chart, which I understand is only a rough guideline, the #1 pick is worth 3000 points. The #18 pick is worth 900 points. So you would have to assume that Howard is worth something in the neighborhood of the #3 pick for him to be worth this supposed trade.

    Now, if you suggest that the Dolphins trade #5 and Howard for the #3 pick from the Lions, and then trade the #3 pick and the #18 pick to the Bengals for the #1, then that's plausible. I'm not in favor of it, but its sane.
     
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  34. DOLFANMIKE

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    I think I'm more interested in OLB/SS Simmons after our signings, More interested in DL Brown, Kinlaw, Espinoza.
    More interested in Dobbins and Swift at RB. More interested in Delpit at FA.

    Same level of HIGH interest in OT and Center Biadasz.
     
  35. KeyFin

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    When healthy, Howard is the best CB in the league...likely demanding a Revis-like contract if he hit the open market. So I could see him being worth a top-5 pick since he's young and still in his prime. That doesn't mean another team would see it that way, LOL, but I can see the argument there anyways.
     
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  36. texanphinatic

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    Hard to see that tbh. Massive contract, injury issues, inconsistent play when last on the field and now off field problems? Whose lining up to give away first round picks? Look at what Darius Slay and AJ Bouye just got and that's probably much closer to Howard's actual value.
     
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    Yeah, I can see Howard potentially being traded for a future first round pick in 2021 should he pass a physical cleanly. But I have a really hard time seeing a team trading a pick that they know is in the top 4 for him straight up.

    However, should he be healthy and not in trouble with the law, the contract itself shouldn't look like a burden at all for another club. They'd have him locked up at about 12m per year through 2024 with zero dead money on their end.
     
  38. BucksFinsfan

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    My wishlist is and has always been, fix the freaking line problems! Without that evolving massively, this organization will remain a thing of the past.

    I've been reading that the Redskins coach really loves Tua. If I were the Dolphins FO, I would make a serious offer for Dwayne Haskins. Say give them our 3rd pick n the 1st and maybe two later ones to get that done. I think they would go for that the way the noise is coming from Redskin camp. Then they would take Tua at #2 and we still have Love, whom I like better than everyone not named Burrow.

    None of this stuff really matters though if you still have the worst Oline in the league and your Defense isnt completely dominant to save you. Too many holes to fill to throw all the eggs in the QB basket. Thats why the successful organizations continue to dominate while others flounder. Please let us get back on the right track and don't knee-jerk and mortgage the farm.

    Someone call Kevin Costner for draft day! Draft Day
     

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