How Many Of You Will Be Disappointed?

"KeyFin wrote:

I have very mixed emotions here. As a Gase supporter who believes that we could have had a heck of a run last season without losing so many starters to injury, we were told the team just wasn't good enough to become a sustainable contender. Okay, fine...I'll buy that. But what if we do go 3-13 this season? How can you spin it that we're now one step closer than we were before?

Some of you will say, "Well, 3-13 means we're in a prime position for the Tank for Tua sweepstakes." And sure, that's one way to build a contender....we just watched Cleveland go from being a joke to a possible SB team in a three year span. Great defense. Awesome QB prospect. That's definitely a blueprint.....but Cleveland didn't "tank" on purpose. They were just managed that poorly. So if that's really our plan, it sort of pisses me off- you don't tank a few seasons in the NFL and expect fans to remain loyal. I'd like to think we're better than that as a team and I definitely want to think all of you as fans deserve better.

As I've said before though, Gase went to a division rival, plus Flores has a division rival of his own in Belicheck. So we're going to have an apples to apples to apples comparison in order to gauge where each team is at. If we're 0-6 or 1-5 in the division, then I'm looking at that as a failure no matter what....that's Miami pride and it means something. We'd better get two wins against the Jets though and at least one vs NE- those four games are almost more important to me than overall record since our head coach is moving within the division and facing the exact same coaches.

So for me, a step FORWARD would be to come close to last year's record while scratching all the big contracts...which means I'm content with a 6-10 season and at least 3-3 in our division. Anything less is a failure in my book....anything more and I'll be ecstatic.

But let's say we do go 4-12. What does that mean? Do we say, "Well, we cut all the expensive folks, ditched a QB so it's a necessary growing pain?" I personally can't say that- as a competitor, I can't pretend to be happy about "phoning it in" and taking a few seasons off. How does that affect our young players who are being asked to buy into this system? If I was a player, I'd want out....I can't think of 3 years from now since that's the average length of a career in the league. It may be an advantage to a few players that are Landry-like and carry the team on their shoulders, but the vast majority are going to be pissed off. And then all that culture people want to preach about is going to collapse.

I'll say one last thing- winning cures all. The opposite is also true though- losing creates a losing culture where players just don't give a darn. I do not want that in Miami....for one week or one season. So I'm definitely not giving Flores, Grier or anyone a pass on 2019- they'd better give us at least 6 or 7 wins.

I'm not really sure we should have won 7 games last year. I know we did, but it took starting 4-0 against mostly bad teams who weren't rolling yet and a crazy miracle play.

I also do believe the injuries played a role of course, but even healthy I dont believe we were the team that started so hot.

Also, injuries will happen, though we did seem to have quite a few. It's important we put a scheme and roster in place that can at least mitigate the issues when the next guy in line gets his chance. Hopefully it wont be so many guys in a row next time at key positions.

That said....our pass rush was going to be abysmal either way as was our run defense. Not a great winning combo. We relied almost 100% on the talent of our secondary to limit teams and that needs to change.

I have no hard feelings towards Gase...I think he is the definition of an average and passable Head Coach. My one dislike of him is his way of passing blame along, right or wrong noone likes to hear that.

This thread represents a terrible point of view.

We can't control the team, but we can have a positive fan attitude. By definition, a fan is "an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or performing art) usually as a spectator". Clearly, someone with a negative attitude about their team is not a fan.

It has become clear to me that many on this board are here solely to complain about the Dolphins. When we do well they disappear or show a muted appreciation while waiting for any reason to debase the team. That is their pleasure and their prerogative. They are a new class of idiot that I refer to as lemmings. They are in effect "anti-fans" because that is what they take pleasure from; being anti-something. I suspect they are like that in many aspects of their lives.

I now just classify their ravings as lemming juice or lemming droppings.

I am looking forward to how the Dolphins can surprise me with what promises to be a competitive team. That's because I'm a fan of this team, not an anti-fan.

If you are offended by this post, good! Maybe there is still hope for you as a fan. If not, you can consider this a banquet of lemming fodder. We all know what you will do with that!

Flores doesn’t have to beat Gase twice to be proven he is the man.

Putting a number on Flores isn’t the right way to go in this evaluation..It’s not the year for that..Too many moving parts and positioning of the organization.

If we go 3-13 there might not be any semblance of direction to get excited about, but I don't think we have the dearth of talent to be that bad. You're most likely to see Flores on thin ice if the season ends up like that. I'd like to see a steadily improving, 6-8 win team with the flexibility to be maneuverable in the draft next year. Of course, the best outcome is Rosen becomes a revelation and we use all of those picks next year to continue to collect young talent, but that's a bit of a dream right now.

"KeyFin wrote:

I have very mixed emotions here. As a Gase supporter who believes that we could have had a heck of a run last season without losing so many starters to injury, we were told the team just wasn't good enough to become a sustainable contender. Okay, fine...I'll buy that. But what if we do go 3-13 this season? How can you spin it that we're now one step closer than we were before?

Some of you will say, "Well, 3-13 means we're in a prime position for the Tank for Tua sweepstakes." And sure, that's one way to build a contender....we just watched Cleveland go from being a joke to a possible SB team in a three year span. Great defense. Awesome QB prospect. That's definitely a blueprint.....but Cleveland didn't "tank" on purpose. They were just managed that poorly. So if that's really our plan, it sort of pisses me off- you don't tank a few seasons in the NFL and expect fans to remain loyal. I'd like to think we're better than that as a team and I definitely want to think all of you as fans deserve better.

As I've said before though, Gase went to a division rival, plus Flores has a division rival of his own in Belicheck. So we're going to have an apples to apples to apples comparison in order to gauge where each team is at. If we're 0-6 or 1-5 in the division, then I'm looking at that as a failure no matter what....that's Miami pride and it means something. We'd better get two wins against the Jets though and at least one vs NE- those four games are almost more important to me than overall record since our head coach is moving within the division and facing the exact same coaches.

So for me, a step FORWARD would be to come close to last year's record while scratching all the big contracts...which means I'm content with a 6-10 season and at least 3-3 in our division. Anything less is a failure in my book....anything more and I'll be ecstatic.

But let's say we do go 4-12. What does that mean? Do we say, "Well, we cut all the expensive folks, ditched a QB so it's a necessary growing pain?" I personally can't say that- as a competitor, I can't pretend to be happy about "phoning it in" and taking a few seasons off. How does that affect our young players who are being asked to buy into this system? If I was a player, I'd want out....I can't think of 3 years from now since that's the average length of a career in the league. It may be an advantage to a few players that are Landry-like and carry the team on their shoulders, but the vast majority are going to be pissed off. And then all that culture people want to preach about is going to collapse.

I'll say one last thing- winning cures all. The opposite is also true though- losing creates a losing culture where players just don't give a darn. I do not want that in Miami....for one week or one season. So I'm definitely not giving Flores, Grier or anyone a pass on 2019- they'd better give us at least 6 or 7 wins.

Ok let’s try it this way..

You are suggesting we are “phoning it in” and “Taking a few season off” if we go 4 and 12, that’s based on what??

In summation I think this year is about getting to know the coaching staff more than the actual players on the roster.

"Irishman wrote:

This thread represents a terrible point of view.

We can't control the team, but we can have a positive fan attitude. By definition, a fan is "an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or performing art) usually as a spectator". Clearly, someone with a negative attitude about their team is not a fan.

It has become clear to me that many on this board are here solely to complain about the Dolphins. When we do well they disappear or show a muted appreciation while waiting for any reason to debase the team. That is their pleasure and their prerogative. They are a new class of idiot that I refer to as lemmings. They are in effect "anti-fans" because that is what they take pleasure from; being anti-something. I suspect they are like that in many aspects of their lives.

I now just classify their ravings as lemming juice or lemming droppings.

I am looking forward to how the Dolphins can surprise me with what promises to be a competitive team. That's because I'm a fan of this team, not an anti-fan.

If you are offended by this post, good! Maybe there is still hope for you as a fan. If not, you can consider this a banquet of lemming fodder. We all know what you will do with that!

I dont think anyone here hates the Dolphins or just wants to be negative.

They are more negative about the moves we have made in the past and up to this point. It's natural to be angry if you feel like something you love is being destroyed by bad decisions.

Example: I'm a big fan of Sonic The Hedgehog....I grew up playing it and watching the cartoons. The new games are HORRIBLE though generally and no matter how much nostalgia I have....I cant blindly support trash.

I try and stay positive and supportive myself but it's not crazy that some people feel discouraged and negative about the last....what 20 years?

"KeyFin wrote:

I have very mixed emotions here. As a Gase supporter who believes that we could have had a heck of a run last season without losing so many starters to injury, we were told the team just wasn't good enough to become a sustainable contender. Okay, fine...I'll buy that. But what if we do go 3-13 this season? How can you spin it that we're now one step closer than we were before?

Some of you will say, "Well, 3-13 means we're in a prime position for the Tank for Tua sweepstakes." And sure, that's one way to build a contender....we just watched Cleveland go from being a joke to a possible SB team in a three year span. Great defense. Awesome QB prospect. That's definitely a blueprint.....but Cleveland didn't "tank" on purpose. They were just managed that poorly. So if that's really our plan, it sort of pisses me off- you don't tank a few seasons in the NFL and expect fans to remain loyal. I'd like to think we're better than that as a team and I definitely want to think all of you as fans deserve better.

As I've said before though, Gase went to a division rival, plus Flores has a division rival of his own in Belicheck. So we're going to have an apples to apples to apples comparison in order to gauge where each team is at. If we're 0-6 or 1-5 in the division, then I'm looking at that as a failure no matter what....that's Miami pride and it means something. We'd better get two wins against the Jets though and at least one vs NE- those four games are almost more important to me than overall record since our head coach is moving within the division and facing the exact same coaches.

So for me, a step FORWARD would be to come close to last year's record while scratching all the big contracts...which means I'm content with a 6-10 season and at least 3-3 in our division. Anything less is a failure in my book....anything more and I'll be ecstatic.

But let's say we do go 4-12. What does that mean? Do we say, "Well, we cut all the expensive folks, ditched a QB so it's a necessary growing pain?" I personally can't say that- as a competitor, I can't pretend to be happy about "phoning it in" and taking a few seasons off. How does that affect our young players who are being asked to buy into this system? If I was a player, I'd want out....I can't think of 3 years from now since that's the average length of a career in the league. It may be an advantage to a few players that are Landry-like and carry the team on their shoulders, but the vast majority are going to be pissed off. And then all that culture people want to preach about is going to collapse.

I'll say one last thing- winning cures all. The opposite is also true though- losing creates a losing culture where players just don't give a darn. I do not want that in Miami....for one week or one season. So I'm definitely not giving Flores, Grier or anyone a pass on 2019- they'd better give us at least 6 or 7 wins.

While I hear you about teams tanking intentionally, that is, putting out a poor product in order to lose, I'm not sure the Dolphins are doing that. I think they know that the team isn't what they hope it to be, but they believe that they've got some distance to travel before they can get there from where they are right now. Either way, the players on the field are going to give their best, Flores and co are going to give their best - and they had jolly well better do that. What I can't do, however, is hold Flores, or even the FO, responsible as negligent for not having a team this year that performs as well as other divisional teams. I can hold the organisation responsible for past in managing things so poorly that they've reached a low point (thought that remains to be seen). But if Flores is out matched this year because of talent on the field, the question has to be asked, why? And I think the answer is that they wanted/needed to clear house and build a team that wins more than it loses year in and year out. To that degree, a losing/worse record season this year can be progress - in the same way that bankruptcy can be progress. Bankruptcy isn't a success. It's an indication that something has gone badly wrong. Nevertheless, sometimes it's the only way to level things out and start all over again. It's a horrible step in the path to building something new.

Financially, the Dolphins were clearly clearing cap space and preparing to do something new. The clearing has to come first, but the building can't happen in a year. Therefore, this year of clearing can be progress even if we don't have the pieces to compete. And that also excuses Flores for a potential losing year. The reckoning will come if, with all this power and freedom and space, he can't build what he promised. And that does start this year, but won't be visible properly until next year, and maybe the year after.

"Irishman wrote:

This thread represents a terrible point of view.

We can't control the team, but we can have a positive fan attitude. By definition, a fan is "an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or performing art) usually as a spectator". Clearly, someone with a negative attitude about their team is not a fan.

It has become clear to me that many on this board are here solely to complain about the Dolphins. When we do well they disappear or show a muted appreciation while waiting for any reason to debase the team. That is their pleasure and their prerogative. They are a new class of idiot that I refer to as lemmings. They are in effect "anti-fans" because that is what they take pleasure from; being anti-something. I suspect they are like that in many aspects of their lives.

I now just classify their ravings as lemming juice or lemming droppings.

I am looking forward to how the Dolphins can surprise me with what promises to be a competitive team. That's because I'm a fan of this team, not an anti-fan.

If you are offended by this post, good! Maybe there is still hope for you as a fan. If not, you can consider this a banquet of lemming fodder. We all know what you will do with that!

I really disagree. A fan can be deeply invested in the long term best interests of the team, and have an educated opinion that things are likely to, or even need to, get worse before they can get better. Frankly, people who are invested in a pro team 365 days a year and follow every little move are more likely to take that view than someone who only turns their TV on Sunday afternoon and watches the live game action.

Now, you are of course free to take a totally different approach, and there's nothing wrong with that. But being a fan doesn't need to be all rose-colored glasses 100% of the time. A fan can dislike the coaches, the players, the owner, the stadium, the uniforms, ect.......and still love the team. They may just want things to be very different from how they are.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I really disagree. A fan can be deeply invested in the long term best interests of the team, and have an educated opinion that things are likely to, or even need to, get worse before they can get better. Frankly, people who are invested in a pro team 365 days a year and follow every little move are more likely to take that view than someone who only turns their TV on Sunday afternoon and watches the live game action.

Now, you are of course free to take a totally different approach, and there's nothing wrong with that. But being a fan doesn't need to be all rose-colored glasses 100% of the time. A fan can dislike the coaches, the players, the owner, the stadium, the uniforms, ect.......and still love the team. They may just want things to be very different from how they are.

I think he’s talking about the illogical syndrome of connecting present eras to the past.

I would not be disappointed with a losing record so long as the team:

1) Cuts down on mental mistakes/penalties.
2) Shows progression on a weekly basis (i.e. be the best version of themselves in game 16 as opposed to fading).
3) Able to sift through roster and solidify roles for young talent.
4) Has definitive answer either way on Rosen (i.e. yes, he's the guy or no, we're drafting a QB in 2020).
5) Remain competitive in losses, especially road games. Don't get Gased...I mean blown out by 20-30 points seemingly every road game.

"djphinfan wrote:

Flores doesn’t have to beat Gase twice to be proven he is the man.

Putting a number on Flores isn’t the right way to go in this evaluation..It’s not the year for that..Too many moving parts and positioning of the organization.

Exactly.

Rest assured we will have fans somehow validating Gase as a HC if he beats the projected worst team in football. Just the world we live in.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I really disagree. A fan can be deeply invested in the long term best interests of the team, and have an educated opinion that things are likely to, or even need to, get worse before they can get better. Frankly, people who are invested in a pro team 365 days a year and follow every little move are more likely to take that view than someone who only turns their TV on Sunday afternoon and watches the live game action.

Now, you are of course free to take a totally different approach, and there's nothing wrong with that. But being a fan doesn't need to be all rose-colored glasses 100% of the time. A fan can dislike the coaches, the players, the owner, the stadium, the uniforms, ect.......and still love the team. They may just want things to be very different from how they are.

RONG!

"Irishman wrote:

RONG!

Um, ok then? Peace, man.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

Um, ok then? Peace, man.

Fair enough!

"Galant wrote:

While I hear you about teams tanking intentionally, that is, putting out a poor product in order to lose, I'm not sure the Dolphins are doing that. I think they know that the team isn't what they hope it to be, but they believe that they've got some distance to travel before they can get there from where they are right now. Either way, the players on the field are going to give their best, Flores and co are going to give their best - and they had jolly well better do that. What I can't do, however, is hold Flores, or even the FO, responsible as negligent for not having a team this year that performs as well as other divisional teams. I can hold the organisation responsible for past in managing things so poorly that they've reached a low point (thought that remains to be seen). But if Flores is out matched this year because of talent on the field, the question has to be asked, why? And I think the answer is that they wanted/needed to clear house and build a team that wins more than it loses year in and year out. To that degree, a losing/worse record season this year can be progress - in the same way that bankruptcy can be progress. Bankruptcy isn't a success. It's an indication that something has gone badly wrong. Nevertheless, sometimes it's the only way to level things out and start all over again. It's a horrible step in the path to building something new.

Financially, the Dolphins were clearly clearing cap space and preparing to do something new. The clearing has to come first, but the building can't happen in a year. Therefore, this year of clearing can be progress even if we don't have the pieces to compete. And that also excuses Flores for a potential losing year. The reckoning will come if, with all this power and freedom and space, he can't build what he promised. And that does start this year, but won't be visible properly until next year, and maybe the year after.

But isn't clearing out basically all of your dependable veterans the definition of tanking? I get that they're trying to enact a 2-3 year plan by gutting the roster, loading up on picks and then relying heavily on the draft to fill holes. I don't think that excuses anyone from losing though as long as you're selling season tickets. Because as others have said, draft picks does not automatically equal long term winning like Ross was pitched into believing. We COULD grab some top talent and get better quickly for it, but it's just as likely that we'll draft some busts....that's the law of averages in the league.

It's entirely possible that we fired guys like Cam Wake to go on a 2-3 year losing skid and come out of this no better than we started. It's really the ultimate gamble and its absolutely tanking on purpose if you're not trying to field a competitive roster. We've all but ignored the trenches this year after gutting them and that's where every football game is ultimately won- how can you not hold them accountable for that? That's why I feel that they have to compete this season and win some close games...I just don't see how they do that when you can't control the LOS on either side of the ball.

I completely understand what they're TRYING to do. I just wish others realized that it's not that simple to build championship teams. No matter what anyone says, the odds are against us being championship contenders in 3-5 years unless we get that elite franchise QB. And the only way to guarantee that is by winning less than 3 games this season and grabbing Tua (or trading most of our draft picks to do the same)....then hoping he's really who the experts think he is. Path #2 would be if Rosen develops and it doesn't require full tank mode, but the way I see it we're basically betting the next 5-8 years on one of these two names.

But what if Rosen doesn't develop and Tua suffers a career-ending injury in college this season? Now we're back at the drawing board with nobody in the trenches and zero direction on how to fix it. I'm personally not okay with that- which is why I say winning this season is just as important as any year.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

But being a fan doesn't need to be all rose-colored glasses 100% of the time. A fan can dislike the coaches, the players, the owner, the stadium, the uniforms, ect..

......but we have Rosen now. Superbowl, baby! ...no? :tongue:

"KeyFin wrote:

But isn't clearing out basically all of your dependable veterans the definition of tanking? I get that they're trying to enact a 2-3 year plan by gutting the roster, loading up on picks and then relying heavily on the draft to fill holes. I don't think that excuses anyone from losing though as long as you're selling season tickets. Because as others have said, draft picks does not automatically equal long term winning like Ross was pitched into believing. We COULD grab some top talent and get better quickly for it, but it's just as likely that we'll draft some busts....that's the law of averages in the league.

It's entirely possible that we fired guys like Cam Wake to go on a 2-3 year losing skid and come out of this no better than we started. It's really the ultimate gamble and its absolutely tanking on purpose if you're not trying to field a competitive roster. We've all but ignored the trenches this year after gutting them and that's where every football game is ultimately won- how can you not hold them accountable for that? That's why I feel that they have to compete this season and win some close games...I just don't see how they do that when you can't control the LOS on either side of the ball.

I completely understand what they're TRYING to do. I just wish others realized that it's not that simple to build championship teams. No matter what anyone says, the odds are against us being championship contenders in 3-5 years unless we get that elite franchise QB. And the only way to guarantee that is by winning less than 3 games this season and grabbing Tua (or trading most of our draft picks to do the same)....then hoping he's really who the experts think he is. Path #2 would be if Rosen develops and it doesn't require full tank mode, but the way I see it we're basically betting the next 5-8 years on one of these two names.

But what if Rosen doesn't develop and Tua suffers a career-ending injury in college this season? Now we're back at the drawing board with nobody in the trenches and zero direction on how to fix it. I'm personally not okay with that- which is why I say winning this season is just as important as any year.

That's too many what ifs. What the team had been doing wasn't working and worse the cap situation wasn't good. You can field a true championship contender with bad cap management. Sure there are always what ifs. But if you always second guess you can never do anything. It would just be as easy to say what if they hold onto their talent and the mediocrity continues?

Bottom line is this coach and this GM are making changes and have the freedom to build the team the way they want to. It's not about continuity for them. It's about enacting their plan.

Every player they put on the field will be there to compete and to win but it will be winning, or trying to win, their way.

It'll all have to play out but what's happening right now isn't unusual or wrong, at least in my opinion. It's the franchise trying to find a new direction via Flores. And that will take some time. And that's okay.

"Sceeto wrote:

......but we have Rosen now. Superbowl, baby! ...no? :tongue:

YES! Maybe?

"Sceeto wrote:

......but we have Rosen now. Superbowl, baby! ...no? :tongue:

Rosen is definitely a SOLID PROSPECT...meaning that he could be the guy with the right influences and other pieces. And I think that's all you could really hope for going into a new season, a guy that could take that next step and eventually fall into that elite category.

Of course, he could also become a complete bust and be laughed out of Miami- but that's okay too for the price we paid for him. The important part is actually bringing in those young guys each year and letting them compete. That's the only way to find your next QB.

"KeyFin wrote:

But isn't clearing out basically all of your dependable veterans the definition of tanking? I get that they're trying to enact a 2-3 year plan by gutting the roster, loading up on picks and then relying heavily on the draft to fill holes. I don't think that excuses anyone from losing though as long as you're selling season tickets. Because as others have said, draft picks does not automatically equal long term winning like Ross was pitched into believing. We COULD grab some top talent and get better quickly for it, but it's just as likely that we'll draft some busts....that's the law of averages in the league.

It's entirely possible that we fired guys like Cam Wake to go on a 2-3 year losing skid and come out of this no better than we started. It's really the ultimate gamble and its absolutely tanking on purpose if you're not trying to field a competitive roster. We've all but ignored the trenches this year after gutting them and that's where every football game is ultimately won- how can you not hold them accountable for that? That's why I feel that they have to compete this season and win some close games...I just don't see how they do that when you can't control the LOS on either side of the ball.

I completely understand what they're TRYING to do. I just wish others realized that it's not that simple to build championship teams. No matter what anyone says, the odds are against us being championship contenders in 3-5 years unless we get that elite franchise QB. And the only way to guarantee that is by winning less than 3 games this season and grabbing Tua (or trading most of our draft picks to do the same)....then hoping he's really who the experts think he is. Path #2 would be if Rosen develops and it doesn't require full tank mode, but the way I see it we're basically betting the next 5-8 years on one of these two names.

But what if Rosen doesn't develop and Tua suffers a career-ending injury in college this season? Now we're back at the drawing board with nobody in the trenches and zero direction on how to fix it. I'm personally not okay with that- which is why I say winning this season is just as important as any year.

It's nice to read a well thought out and presented position about "tanking".

I wonder if the Pats Tanked for Tom. You know, maybe they had to get up high in that sixth round.

"KeyFin wrote:

Rosen is definitely a SOLID PROSPECT...meaning that he could be the guy with the right influences and other pieces. And I think that's all you could really hope for going into a new season, a guy that could take that next step and eventually fall into that elite category.

Of course, he could also become a complete bust and be laughed out of Miami- but that's okay too for the price we paid for him. The important part is actually bringing in those young guys each year and letting them compete. That's the only way to find your next QB.

I agree. I was just playin' with my man, Unlucky.

Veterans we gave up?
Wake , gore, tannehill?
I think we can manage.

"Galant wrote:

That's too many what ifs. What the team had been doing wasn't working and worse the cap situation wasn't good. You can field a true championship contender with bad cap management. Sure there are always what ifs. But if you always second guess you can never do anything. It would just be as easy to say what if they hold onto their talent and the mediocrity continues?

Bottom line is this coach and this GM are making changes and have the freedom to build the team the way they want to. It's not about continuity for them. It's about enacting their plan.

Every player they put on the field will be there to compete and to win but it will be winning, or trying to win, their way.

It'll all have to play out but what's happening right now isn't unusual or wrong, at least in my opinion. It's the franchise trying to find a new direction via Flores. And that will take some time. And that's okay.

I completely get that and I'm not against a new direction AT ALL. But what I am against is what we just did with Ryan Tannehill for six seasons- put a guy out there that could be great and tell him to run for his life. Our offensive line is on track to be the worst we've fielded in a decade or more, which is the exact situation Rosen just struggled in. Why repeat those colossal mistakes and expect a different result?

I mentioned in another thread that I could be way off-base...maybe we brought in an amazing line coach that will make everything work with Tunsil and a handful of other average starters. Maybe we will be able to recognize stunts in 2019 and have enough firepower to open up some holes for the run game. That's really the only thing i want to see in year one...growth in controlling the line of scrimmage. Ultimately no rebuild can go anywhere without that one aspect of the game- we've witnessed that for almost two decades and no WR/QB/RB talent can overcome that long term.

Looking back, was it really a "what if" over our first and second string quarterbacks getting injured over the past few years? Tannehill took more hits in his first 4 years than any active QB in the league today. And again, our current line is worse than the one protecting RT, Moore, Cutler and Osweiller.