How many other NFL GMs have had the opportunity to rebuild their own mess?

Ireland will never ever be able to rebuild this mess.

 

Its a very legitimate question and one that has an obvious answer. Certainly no young, first time GM that has no background of success has been given this kind of break. I can understand wanting some stability in the front office, but really once Ross figured out that Parcells conned him he should have rid himself of anyone Bill P. hired down to trainers and parking attendants.

 

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It's not even a little bit complicated.

Vontae Davis didn't live up to the value if a first round draft pick, but he was a reasonably successful pick. I realize you're highly unlikely to do the research yourself, so here's the 2009 first round.

How many of those players would go for a 1st round pick if traded today? Matthew Stafford would go for more than one 1st, and Clay Matthews likely would, but after that? Probably not any of them, and I think that's a first round with above-average success historically.

You also can't say Davis was unproductive in the context of that group, either. There are easily 15+ players who have been worse than he has on that list, which makes him very conservatively a pretty average pick in that first round.

 

I think Ted Thompson got a chance to rebuild in GB.

 

Carl Peterson.

 

Well Sherman had final say for quite awhile. I suppose it's not totally unlike our present situation

 

Jerry Jones too.

 

Ted Thompson didn't leave the Packers mired in mediocrity for several years into his tenure, though.

Brett Favre did, but that's another issue altogether.

 

Bottom line is you didn't do your research. Or any research, for that matter.

Why isn't it smart? Because less is bad, even though I've established the new car off the lot reality of drafting a player in the 1st round?

Vontae Davis on his merits got demoted to the third corner. That's not dominant, that's not productive relative to a 2nd round pick.

How is this fixing a mistake?

 

Mike Tannenbaum, in addition to some of the names already mentioned. A GM "rebuilding" his own stuff is really not nearly as rare as you think.

 

The question you keep asking is kind of moot. The ABSOLUTE MAIN reason we have been mired in mediocrity is a refusal to address the QB position. Except for the hiccup that was Chad P/Wildcat, most of our problems can point to the QB position.

- We now have potentially addressed the QB position, and when I say "we", I mean Ireland. more importantly, we didn't overpay for guys like Flynn or Orton.
- We used to complain like hell that the interior of our Oline was complete garbage, that has now been fixed with Cogs-Pouncey-(and hopefully) Jerry. and IMO, Marting will eventually develop into a starting RT.
- He drafted S Smith, who looks like he may have finally developed into what we were hoping for. credit goes to Ireland. the fact that Smith finally looks this good lessens the blow of losing Vontae. If we trade that pick for someone like Bowe, it's a net gain.
- We have a good RB in R Bush and Daniel Thomas seems like a much better fit for this offense - credit to Ireland.
- On the flip side, our safeties still suck. our WRs suck.
bottom line - Ireland is an average GM.

 

In addition to the ones you already named, Maclin, Pettigrew, Harvin, Nicks, Orakpo, Raji and probably someone else I totally missed would either command a 1st round selection outright or stand a good chance to net one if put on the block. There's also a couple of guys on there that their respective teams would hardly move for a 2nd and 6th round selection.

While Vontae certainly hasn't been a complete failure, I also wouldn't call him a "reasonably successful" pick (plus, I'm not sure I "easily" see 15 worse picks on that list). Average might be a word of choice here, but that's precisely the problem with Jeff Ireland, whom, by the way, I don't blame for the Davis trade. He's been way too average in the first rounds for my taste. That doesn't make him as bad a GM as some people here claim but an average GM just isn't good enough to build a winning franchise.

 

So silly this crybaby nonsense is..... 4 years of failure ? So lost you are in all of this... 1st of all we went from 1-15 to 11-5. The team was devoid of talent when Parcells got here, worst in the league..... we've had enough talent to be competitive since then. It was the coaching staff, Sparano and Henning in particular, that were insufficient. They have since been replaced. All the Ireland bashers keep doing is pointing to the fact that we've been mediocre/bad the last 3 years, when it's widely understood that we could have used better coaching and player development during that time.

Lets judge the GM logically, basing our opinions off the personnel dept.'s course of actions, which are still going to be influenced by the coaching staff.

Failed Logic in general.
Let's look at the situation in it's entirety and not skew things down to try and prove some outlandish point.

We're not in real estate here..... ever hear of devaluation ? Players are more like used autos.
And your acting like we got no use out of them in the years we had them.

the intial Marshall trade got us an average 1000 yard reciever for a few years, and we still got value when we traded him in, after an arrest,stabbing,mental diagnosis were added to his resume. We got out of that contract/headache, and got two 2nd day picks back in return after using his talents for two years.

the Davis trade was even less surprising..... the fact that we got such a high pick was. The underlying theme here is that you guys single out Ireland for letting these players go when he probably had a hard time doing it. The Coaches didn't want them. He gets rid of the "me 1st" guys for them, and you want his head ?

 

If Jeff Ireland isn't considered an awful GM, I'd hate to see the track records of some that are.

 

When's the last time you saw a veteran traded for a 1st round pick?

It's not going to happen for wide receivers who have never cracked 1000 yards, or pretty good but not great edge rushers. And BJ Raji sure as **** don't belong on that list. He's terrible at his actual job of being a run defender, and I don't think he gets a lot of points being a relatively productive pass rusher for his size despite that.

 

You are strongly encouraged to do this. Hell, encourage him to any number of GM's.

 

They don't get traded, period. And that's precisely because their respective teams are well aware that they are worth more to them than that 1st round selection. You say Nicks wouldn't command a first round pick? I say the Giants would laugh in your face if you were to offer them one.

 

It's telling as far as what "par" has become for this regime when a guy that has been held out of multiple games for breaking team rules, including showing up late to practice and still drunk, and has allowed 60.5% of passes to be completed on him for a 8.9 YPA with 13 TDs and 9 INTs, and an average at best career 1.38 yards per pass snap...is a "reasonably successful" pick.

 

Well, they do get traded. But it's generally for particularly special players. I think Nicks is a cut above the rest of those pretty good picks, but I still doubt they'd ever get a 1st round pick for him.

 

Please, by all means then put out a working definition for what is a successful draft pick. I look forward to your argument how an above average result for that particular round in retrospect somehow does not qualify.

 

Considering Jeff Ireland has been drafting since 2008, does anyone else consider it telling that the Dolphins have yet to have a single draft pick in the Ireland era sign a contract extension beyond his rookie deal?

I mean we assume Jake Long will be coming, but then, maybe not...when you consider how much money he's likely to be asking. We assume Sean Smith as well, and perhaps Brian Hartline, but then...who knows?

 

He hired a second head coach. That's a bigger do-over than GMs who are not very firmly entrenched do very often.

 

Oh irony, how I love thee. Accusing me of mis-informing the masses, and then using as your example a guy that was drafted by Randy Mueller. Delicious.

 

What's funny to me is, while the Patriots are extending their 4th Round pick from 2010, we're trading our 1st Round pick from 2009. Yet somehow the Pats don't draft well, according to some here.

 

Wasn't it hilarious when we extended that UDFA from 2009?

 

UDFA? He was in the CFL. Nice try though.

Not to mention, that was Parcells. Because Ireland didn't have control until he left, remember?

 

Which makes him a UDFA when he came back to the league.

Bottom line is he's not as horrible a talent evaluator as you'd like to believe he is.

 

Yes, he is.

 

You're right Tannehill looks awful.

 

LOL at one pick in 5 years who hasn't played a game yet. I agree Tannehill looks promising, but c'mon. If that's your basis for saying Ireland is a good talent evaluator, you've proved my point.

 

In what world is an already established, 24 year old, #1 receiver from a strong passing offensive team, who just won a superbowl not worth a first round pick? Not to mention he's been highly successful and productive

Like someone said earlier, If Jeff Ireland called Jerry Reese and offered him 1 first round pick for Hakeem Nicks, he'd fall off his chair in laughter.

Amazing that to you, in hindsight, Hakeem Nicks is not a worthy 1st round pick but these guys are:
Vontae Davis
Jared Odrick
Mike Pouncey

 

So the blame - if you believe blame exists - should be on the shoulders of Ross and only Ross?

How many owners let a GM, they dont think is doing the job in the past, to be retained to fix past errors??