Hundreds of Proofs of God’s Existence

Dude, we all know you believe in God. I do too. But do you really have to be choir boy preaching to us about God and His existence with every other post? I know you're excited that you think you are going to Heaven and all, but seriously, your cheerleading and spearheading of the world-wide religious movement gets a little annoying sometimes...

Sarcasm duly noted, and brought a grin to my face and a mild actual lol.

I've come to realize this forum is not a place to discuss diverse views on religion and the question of whether or not there is a supreme being dispensing justice to all mankind. This forum is intended for those who do follow a skygod religion to offer comfort and support to one another. It is considered inappropriate for anyone to question their faith in their particular skygod religion. So, I'll try my best to refrain from doing so from now on.

"MrClean wrote:

Sarcasm duly noted, and brought a grin to my face and a mild actual lol.

I've come to realize this forum is not a place to discuss diverse views on religion and the question of whether or not there is a supreme being dispensing justice to all mankind. This forum is intended for those who do follow a skygod religion to offer comfort and support to one another. It is considered inappropriate for anyone to question their faith in their particular skygod religion. So, I'll try my best to refrain from doing so from now on.

Yeah? You're just doing it wrong man...

"CashInFist wrote:

Yeah? You're just doing it wrong man...

How so? What is the right way then, in your opinion?

You had me at giraffe.The Eric Clapton argument clinched it though

ARGUMENT FROM INCOMPREHENSIBILITY
(1) Flabble glurk zoom boink blubba snurgleschnortz ping!
(2) No one has ever refuted (1).
(3) Therefore, God exists.

Well that sold me!

"MrClean wrote:

How so? What is the right way then, in your opinion?

You really want to debate this with me now? I've been drinking Bud Light Platinum. We could have some fun with this maybe, lol.

"CashInFist wrote:

You really want to debate this with me now? I've been drinking Bud Light Platinum. We could have some fun with this maybe, lol.

It wouldn't require a debate. If you would like to give me your opinion on the right way to go about asking for someone to explain their reasons for believing in a supreme being, then feel free to do so.

"MrClean wrote:

It wouldn't require a debate. If you would like to give me your opinion on the right way to go about asking for someone to explain their reasons for believing in a supreme being, then feel free to do so.

Dude...How can you look around at all this planet has to offer, then look at the billions of know stars in our own galaxy, and all of the galaxies we know of, and not think that there was some divine intervention involved?

"CashInFist wrote:

Dude...How can you look around at all this planet has to offer, then look at the billions of know stars in our own galaxy, and all of the galaxies we know of, and not think that there was some divine intervention involved?

Very simple...... I ask the follow up question of who created the creator. The answer lies in the concept of infinity. Matter and energy change back and forth and that process results in the marvels you are in awe of but there is no creator of matter or energy it has existed in one form or another forever. We might be the 1st life form to ever exist or we might be the trillionith, it really does not matter which. Its just our turn right now and maybe it will last a few thousand years or maybe it will last a few thousand milleniums or maybe we will exist forever. There is no evidence that there is an enity orchrastrating any of this. We just need to figure out how to survive in our universe.

This is why we need to figure out how to colonize space. Once this planet becomes inhabital for us we either need to move or die. No GOD is going to come to our rescue

"shula_guy wrote:

Very simple...... I ask the follow up question of who created the creator. The answer lies in the concept of infinity. Matter and energy change back and forth and that process results in the marvels you are in awe of but there is no creator of matter or energy it has existed in one form or another forever. We might be the 1st life form to ever exist or we might be the trillionith, it really does not matter which. Its just our turn right now and maybe it will last a few thousand years or maybe it will last a few thousand milleniums or maybe we will exist forever. There is no evidence that there is an enity orchrastrating any of this. We just need to figure out how to survive in our universe.

This is why we need to figure out how to colonize space. Once this planet becomes inhabital for us we either need to move or die. No GOD is going to come to our rescue

The "Buck" always stops somewhere. You should know that...

"CashInFist wrote:

The "Buck" always stops somewhere. You should know that...

Im not trying to sway your beliefs I was just sharing mine to offer you an alternate perspective. I provided you with my answer to how I think all this can exist without it being created by a god. My answer is I believe in infinity but I had to expand on that to give you propper context of what I mean by infinity.

One observation I have noticed about you Cash is that you hold some very strong opinions but you also give other peoples opinions their due respect. I give you respect for that.

"CashInFist wrote:

Dude...How can you look around at all this planet has to offer, then look at the billions of know stars in our own galaxy, and all of the galaxies we know of, and not think that there was some divine intervention involved?

So, you are using either of the 2 following arguments for proof that God exists?

ARGUMENT FROM DESIGN, a.k.a. GOD OF THE GAPS, a.k.a. TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (I)
(1) Check out the world/universe/giraffe. Isn't it complex?
(2) Only God could have made them so complex.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

ARGUMENT FROM BEAUTY, a.k.a. DESIGN/TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (II)
(1) Isn't that baby/sunset/flower/tree beautiful?
(2) Only God could have made them so beautiful.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

Here is my point of view in simple terms:

There is no tangible proof either way in the existence or not of a supreme being. I'm not arrogant enough to emphatically declare without reservation that there is certainly nothing out there, that may be beyond my ability to comprehend, that works against or even manipulates physical law...
nor am I self centered enough to think that if one being did create everything in the entire universe ever, that he'd give a flying fvck what I did on Sundays, what I ate on Fridays, how I wear my hair, or even who I have sex with.

"MrClean wrote:

So, you are using either of the 2 following arguments for proof that God exists?

Here is my point of view in simple terms:

There is no tangible proof either way in the existence or not of a supreme being. I'm not arrogant enough to emphatically declare without reservation that there is certainly nothing out there, that may be beyond my ability to comprehend, that works against or even manipulates physical law...
nor am I self centered enough to think that if one being did create everything in the entire universe ever, that he'd give a flying fvck what I did on Sundays, what I ate on Fridays, how I wear my hair, or even who I have sex with.

So...your theory is that the entire universe was created by one GIANT FART from outer space. Where did that fart come from? Something had to have created it...Did Nothing have Mexican food the day before? Or was it chili??? LOL

"CashInFist wrote:

So...your theory is that the entire universe was created by one GIANT FART from outer space. Where did that fart come from? Something had to have created it...Did Nothing have Mexican food the day before? Or was it chili??? LOL

Make all the jokes about it that you like. That is not my theory young fella. The fact of the matter is, neither you or I, nor anyone else have proof beyond a doubt where it all came from. If it gives you comfort to believe in the Christian bible, then by all means, go for it.
One more thing I believe, IF there is a supreme being that created everything in the universe ever, he isn't anything like the supreme being described in any of the man made holy books. Religions were all started by men, creating god in their own image as a means for the powerful to control the lower classes.

“Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.” ― Napoleon Bonaparte

Dude...

"CashInFist wrote:

How can you look around at all this planet has to offer, then look at the billions of know stars in our own galaxy, and all of the galaxies we know of, and not think that there was some divine intervention involved?

And who created the entity who was responsible for this so called "divine intervention"?
.....and who created the entity who created the entity who created the "divine intervention?
.....and who created the entity who created the entity who created the entity who created the divine intervention? :wink2:

Oh, almost forgot to respond to the opening post.

:sidelol:
Sheer classic!!.... made all the more classic knowing this dimwit believes what he's saying. lol

MORAL ARGUMENT (II)
(1) In my younger days I was a cursing, drinking, smoking, gambling, child-molesting, thieving, murdering, bed-wetting bastard.
(2) That all changed once I became religious.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

:huh:

Too bad becoming religious didn't cure the stupid out of him.
Ah, yes, "the devil made me do it" argument. It's a lot easier for this rapist to believe in the easter bunny and credit a god or blame a devil than accept accountability for his own actions.

hey Clean, did you watch Bill Maher's "Religious"?

"CashInFist wrote:

So...your theory is that the entire universe was created by one GIANT FART from outer space. Where did that fart come from? Something had to have created it...Did Nothing have Mexican food the day before? Or was it chili??? LOL

....and just where did your god come from, Cash? Did he miraculously appear?.... create himself with the snap of a finger?

"phinsational wrote:

hey Clean, did you watch Bill Maher's "Religious"?

I've seen some clips of it on youtube. Classic stuff. Maher has a real knack at pissing off the bible thumpers.

"MrClean wrote:

I've seen some clips of it on youtube. Classic stuff. Maher has a real knack at pissing off the bible thumpers.

Watching it in entirety is quite entertaining.

He didn't truly go after Islam. Judeo/Christians rarely stab people to death (not in the name of God at least) so it was a free for all in that regard. His intent was to "plant doubt ", and although he went after the Mormon organization a tiny bit, he failed to expose the great business that is cults in America. There is huuuuge money behind this sort of snake oil and there was a lot of potential had he followed the money a little bit more.

Don't anyone get me wrong, I admire people of faith, but I despise the sheisters who exploit the good faith of these same people for personal gain.

"lmeister3 wrote:

He didn't truly go after Islam. Judeo/Christians rarely stab people to death (not in the name of God at least) so it was a free for all in that regard. His intent was to "plant doubt ", and although he went after the Mormon organization a tiny bit, he failed to expose the great business that is cults in America. There is huuuuge money behind this sort of snake oil and there was a lot of potential had he followed the money a little bit more.

Don't anyone get me wrong, I admire people of faith, but I despise the sheisters who exploit the good faith of these same people for personal gain.

I think when arguing against religion the most you can do in hopes of having any sort of result is to subtly plant the seed of doubt. Religion employs that tactic, not so subtly though, so it'd probably work as a counter tactic, no? lol

Personally, I think instead of refuting one's religion, we atheists should refute the need to prove or disprove religion and just promote acceptance. What someone believes is their business and we get upset when they try to shove it down our throats, but then we turn around and do the same thing to them. If our lack of faith is supposedly based in rational thought, the we should stay rational in the face of religion. Getting angry and trying to disprove their faith is not rational.

I enjoy Maher, Dawkins & Hutchens (when he was alive), but they are too antagonistic, too angry.

I get it, we deal with hate and bias as atheists all the time. I was told by a boss I was as bad as the employ that went on a crack bender and stole form the company, simply because I'm an atheist. But I don't see the point of acting like him and attacking people for what they believe. His beliefs weren't the problem, its that he tried to make me have the same beliefs that was the problem. That's what he needed to be attacked on.